Sequels "Gambit" starring Channing Tatum? - Part 1

[def28]

Yeah there are definitely stories to tell. And Gambit doesn't really embody the "X-men" anyway. He's more of a solo guy.

Can someone tell me why they are so concerned with the high budget? Are you guys just worried that the movie won't make its money back?

He can work more as a solo then other X-Men. But this is a character people prefer to see with the X-Men. His most popular stuff comes from him being a member of the team and interacting with those characters. He can't stay away from the X-Men for long. Doesn't matter if he doesn't embody the X-Men or whatever. Having team members like this are what make things interesting, and switches things up. Same can be said for Fantomex, Wolverine, Emma Frost, Magneto, Cable and other characters with questionable morals. If you don't have characters like this things gets boring. With the films Wolverine, Magneto and Mystique grab a majority of screen time cause they bring conflict around their peers and rivals. Same can be said with the potential for Gambit.

Solo Gambit runs never lasted long like Wolverines and Deadpools for a reason. Regardless of quality there just wasn't much interest away from the team. Yet there was always fans wanting to see him being more apart of the actual X-Men runs. People like the dude, but writers hated him and they never developed him properly post 90s within the actual team. Which led to his popularity dropping.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah there are definitely stories to tell. And Gambit doesn't really embody the "X-men" anyway. He's more of a solo guy.

Can someone tell me why they are so concerned with the high budget? Are you guys just worried that the movie won't make its money back?

Gambit just doesn't justify a $150 million dollar budget. Gambit shouldn't have to cost much more than Deadpool. He's a thief in New Orleans. Those are two things that just spell out the justification of being cheaper than $150 million. I mean it costs more than Ant Man. Gambit should cost less. He just doesn't need that high of a budget in the first place. I think this movie will return a profit, but for a debut film on this level of people not knowing him, a cheaper budget would be smart. It doesn't mean it's taking any less risk it's just a reasonable way of spending.

I get the above the line cost must be the thing that it making this more expensive, but for some reason this just doesn't seem right. I get Tatum is the reason why this is made, but Marvel has proved you just need the integrity of the character, not star reliance to make a profit.

 

[The Infernal]

Gambit is first and foremost a X-man to me. I haven't followed him in comics in years, but from what I've read and from watching the cartoon as a kid I feel his most notable moments are as a X-man. I'm not sure how Gambit's last solo fared, but from what I recall he's never had much luck with previous solo books.

If I had my way I'd have a Gambit story arc that leads into the trial of Gambit (his past with Sinister etc). Plus a romance with Rogue (who isn't so demure).

 

[def28]

Gambit is first and foremost a X-man to me. I haven't followed him in comics in years, but from what I've read and from watching the cartoon as a kid I feel his most notable moments are as a X-man. I'm not sure how Gambit's last solo fared, but from what I recall he's never had much luck with previous solo books.

Bingo.

A Gambit solo has a lot of potential to work, I really dig the concepts of the guilds and the rivalry there. But it should not be the intention to keep him away from the other X-Men characters for long. He's a well known X-Men, and that's where the character was created from and why people like him. To keep him away when Fox wants a shared universe and are even talking crossovers with F4 would just be beyond dumb. The have an A list actor playing a known X-Men that people will no doubt want to see interacting with other X-Men.

 

[Sithborg]

Well, glad that drama is over. Back to talking about the budget, I guess.

 

[The Infernal]

One other thing I would like to see. An attempt at making his classic costume work on screen. I don't mean a direct translation, but I'd like to see it adapted in some way and not look like cosplay.

 

[Majik1387]

I tried a couple weeks ago.

Tried giving the suit the type of texture the Apocalypse Horseman costumes have. Also made the undersuit a shade of purple/magenta

I've actually seen some cosplays where they modernized Gambit's popular uniform. I'll have to search for them.

 

[combocaz]

You're posting in it

I assume you mean forum?

sorry yes forum.

 

[BlackFox]

Excellent news, glad this is back on track. Have a feeling Tatum will do it justice, not sure why, maybe just a hunch but I'm backing him on this one. Just glad we are getting a Gambit film still.

 

[Majik1387]

I think the excitement he has for the project is what makes it worth anticipating.

 

[Illuminata]

Just when I was so exicted that this potato-faced fool was off this project

I really think this movie will flop mainly because it's so miscast and let's be real, Tatum looked terrible at ComicCon.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Channing played a game of chicken with FOX and he actually won! LOL MAJOR PROPS. Either way, glad this has been resolved and they can now move forward.

 

[def28]

Just when I was so exicted that this potato-faced fool was off this project

I really think this movie will flop mainly because it's so miscast and let's be real, Tatum looked terrible at ComicCon.

How about you wait for a trailer at the least before coming to a conclusion. If anything his star power is the only thing giving this movie attention.

Much like Deadpool, the actors passion for the project is the only reason it's happening.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I still can't believe Fox brought Tatum to comic-con before they even had an official deal signed with him.

 

[Loki882]

Gambit was one of the most popular X-Men in the 90's. And he was one of the main X-Men in TAS, which is a lot of the non-comic reading (including Bryan Singer's) primary exposure to the X-Men (at least before the films came along).

 

[SuperT]

Just when I was so exicted that this potato-faced fool was off this project

I really think this movie will flop mainly because it's so miscast and let's be real, Tatum looked terrible at ComicCon.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Just when I was so exicted that this potato-faced fool was off this project

I really think this movie will flop mainly because it's so miscast and let's be real, Tatum looked terrible at ComicCon.

Tatum is the only reason that Gambit is happening.

Personally I still think the budget is ridiculous even with Tatum's star power. Star Power that has never led an action film to 350mil worldwide by the way.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Channing played a game of chicken with FOX and he actually won! LOL MAJOR PROPS. Either way, glad this has been resolved and they can now move forward.

It shouldn't be a surprise. Tatum had the leverage. The project probably falls apart without him.

While the high budget concerns me, I hope the film works out.

 

[Mad Ones]

He can work more as a solo then other X-Men. But this is a character people prefer to see with the X-Men. His most popular stuff comes from him being a member of the team and interacting with those characters. He can't stay away from the X-Men for long. Doesn't matter if he doesn't embody the X-Men or whatever. Having team members like this are what make things interesting, and switches things up. Same can be said for Fantomex, Wolverine, Emma Frost, Magneto, Cable and other characters with questionable morals. If you don't have characters like this things gets boring. With the films Wolverine, Magneto and Mystique grab a majority of screen time cause they bring conflict around their peers and rivals. Same can be said with the potential for Gambit.

Solo Gambit runs never lasted long like Wolverines and Deadpools for a reason. Regardless of quality there just wasn't much interest away from the team. Yet there was always fans wanting to see him being more apart of the actual X-Men runs. People like the dude, but writers hated him and they never developed him properly post 90s within the actual team. Which led to his popularity dropping.

I don't disagree. I was more responding to the idea that Tatum will have a Jackman like role in the X-men series. Gambit just doesn't have that role in the comics and I can't see it being in the movie. The idea of Gambit being a teacher at a school and following some headmaster's orders was ridiculous in the comics (it didn't work in Wolverine and the X-men and that's what his great solo was responding to). He's worked best recently solo and in All New X-Factor. He should have been on Madrox's X-Factor team. He's a solo character even when he's on a team, which is why I can't see him having a Wolverine-like role in the franchise.

Gambit just doesn't justify a $150 million dollar budget. Gambit shouldn't have to cost much more than Deadpool. He's a thief in New Orleans. Those are two things that just spell out the justification of being cheaper than $150 million. I mean it costs more than Ant Man. Gambit should cost less. He just doesn't need that high of a budget in the first place. I think this movie will return a profit, but for a debut film on this level of people not knowing him, a cheaper budget would be smart. It doesn't mean it's taking any less risk it's just a reasonable way of spending.

I get the above the line cost must be the thing that it making this more expensive, but for some reason this just doesn't seem right. I get Tatum is the reason why this is made, but Marvel has proved you just need the integrity of the character, not star reliance to make a profit.

But, like, does it matter? We don't even know what type of movie is being made so why are we judging the budget?

 

[kevork89]

I said he would stick around and he did. Also there was a good amount of press for this and it gave extra press to the movie. Even better as now the castings will role in and more and more news will be released.

 

[dax]

Judging by how they haven't tried to explain continuity issues like that in these movies I'd guess you won't have to worry about them trying to pass him off as anyone but warren worthington unless they attempt to not have him mentioned by name so they can do a sabertooth/victor trick where they are almost 2 different characters

One problem with that is there are too many instances that points out that Victor and Sabertooth are the same person. For starters:

-The way Sabertooth kept Wolverine's dog tags throughout X1. He recognized the name on those tags considering that he was secretly present for Wolverine's weapon X experiment and saw Stryker create those dog tags for Wolverine.

-The way Sabertooth dodged Cyclops's optic laser beams after he ambushed Wolverine and Rogue. Sabertooth recognized Cyclops from when he attacked him at his high school and saw what he could do which explains how Sabertooth knew when to jump out of the line of fire.

Lastly,
-The way Sabertooth is smitten with Storm. There's an extended version of the scene in Origins where Wolverine walks away from Victor after he quits Team X and Storm enters the scene. She's the little blond-haired black girl standing in front of Victor as they watch Wolverine walk away and in X1, we see Sabertooth be infatuated with Storm in a serial killer-type of way.

Just because Victor wasn't being called Sabertooth in Origins, it doesn't mean he's not Sabertooth just like how Venom in Spider-Man 3 wasn't called by that name in the movie even though he looks like Venom.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah there are definitely stories to tell. And Gambit doesn't really embody the "X-men" anyway. He's more of a solo guy.

Can someone tell me why they are so concerned with the high budget? Are you guys just worried that the movie won't make its money back?

That's my concer with the budget, the higher it is, the less chance it has to make a profit and the less chance we get of sequels. The character doesn't need a budget like that anyway, so I hope they reduce it.

 

[darkangel]

Alright, if Anna Paquin is in this I will be very very happy.

 

[X-Maniac]

Fox sees Tatum’s Gambit, a mutant who harnesses kinetic energy, as one of the anchor characters of the X-universe, akin to Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine, someone who would anchor his own movies and appear in numerous others. It’s a commitment that could theoretically last more than a decade. (Jackman has been portraying Wolverine since 2000, for instance.)


This was probably the sticking point. Perhaps Tatum felt like this was a little too much, at least right now.

Sigh. It was always pretty obviuous (to me, at least) that they were trying to turn Tatum into the next Jackman, and Gambit into the next Wolverine.

This is when money-hungry execs try to dictate the creative content of a movie franchise.

They should focus on making a solid movie that represents the character correctly. Get those things right (Marvel says hello) and the rest falls into place.

 

[henzINNIT]

let's be real, Tatum looked terrible at ComicCon.

I don't even know what that means.

He came off pretty well showing Stan Lee respect enough to help him off the stage, and he's shown nothing but love for the character either.