Sequels "Gambit" starring Channing Tatum? - Part 3

[GuestStar2004]

and doesn't really fit with the other projects on the go.

It doesn't have to fit because if fox really wanted it to fit then it wouldn't be taking this long to get gambit in a movie.

its basically fox wanting to make solos of the gambit character just like they were hoping to do back in 2009 with origins, its just fans who are always focused on how he can fit with the X-Men, probably not FOX though.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

its just fans who are always focused on how he can mix with X-Men, probably not FOX though.

Then they need to stop referring to it as a connected universe.

 

[GuestStar2004]

But you can say its the same universe, doesn't mean everything has to revolve around the X-Men though.

 

[henzINNIT]

It doesn't have to fit because if fox really wanted it to fit then it wouldn't be taking this long to get gambit in a movie.

its basically fox wanting to make solos of the gambit character just like they were hoping to do back in 2009 with origins, its just fans who are always focused on how he can fit with the X-Men, probably not FOX though.

Origins is a poor example of how Fox aren't interested in connecting their films. Even the awful title was designed to inter-connect with whatever came along next.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It doesn't have to fit because if fox really wanted it to fit then it wouldn't be taking this long to get gambit in a movie.

its basically fox wanting to make solos of the gambit character just like they were hoping to do back in 2009 with origins, its just fans who are always focused on how he can fit with the X-Men, probably not FOX though.

Sure let's try to make the experiment of "Origins" solos films work in 2017/2018. That worked out so well in 2009...

Sooner or later the character is gonna have to fit so they really should start thinking now before anything is put in film.

This is the problem with this franchise, they're only ever cognizant of the here and the now. This is why we have 2 Emmas, 2 Moiras, 3 Jubilees and now 2 Calibans.

Channing will be the second Gambit. Depending on what the reception of his Gambit will be there could be a third. Or if his Gambit is a success, will they only think about how his character fits into grand scheme of things.

Ideally, no. That's just...not very smart.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Origins is a poor example of how Fox aren't interested in connecting their films. Even the awful title was designed to inter-connect with whatever came along next.

Well Origins was basically planting seeds for several potential spin offs with gambit being one of them and really the situation isn't that much different to what it is today, did they ever think about how gambit was gonna fit in with the X-Men when they put him in Origins? or did they not actually care? i know what my guess it.

As for the title yeah it was to connect the films together in a marketable way which they felt was important at the time but there was nothing to say it was ever gonna integrate them together.

 

[psylockolussus]

Sure let's try to make the experiment of "Origins" solos films work in 2017/2018. That worked out so well in 2009...

Sooner or later the character is gonna have to fit so they really should start thinking now before anything is put in film.

This is the problem with this franchise, they're only ever cognizant of the here and the now. This is why we have 2 Emmas, 2 Moiras, 3 Jubilees and now 2 Calibans.

Channing will be the second Gambit. Depending on what the reception of his Gambit will be there could be a third. Or if his Gambit is a success, will they only think about how his character fits into grand scheme of things.

Ideally, no. That's just...not very smart.

It isn't.

They are very short sighted and I don't know why someone would think that's okay. Dofp is not even five years old and we are already getting Sunspot 2.0 very soon.

 

[henzINNIT]

Well Origins was basically planting seeds for several potential spin offs with gambit being one of them and really the situation isn't that much different to what it is today, did they ever think about how gambit was gonna fit in with the X-Men when they put him in Origins? or did they not actually care? i know what my guess it.

100% yes they were thinking about where Gambit would fit. You think Origins introducing Gambit and the young X-Men at the same time was coincedence? They were stringing all sorts of potential projects together.

As for the title yeah it was to connect the films together in a marketable way which they felt was important at the time but there was nothing to say it was ever gonna integrate them together.

Nothing to say that Fox were going to intergrate characters together? The first and only film they made during this plan was a Wolverine solo film that included Gambit, Deadpool, Cyclops, Xavier and even tried to shoe horn Storm in there. They were very aggressive. All of these characters were set-up to be in the same time, to co-exist in this universe... if Origins was a success.

The irony here of course is that back in '09, in the height of Fox's creative meddling, they actually displayed the most focused franchise planning we've seen. They couldn't muster a good film though.

 

[psylockolussus]

Weren't they planning more Origins films? I am pretty sure they were teasing that Cyclops and Emma were some of Xavier of early students, who knows if that would have led to a film. But they were gonna do a Magneto prequel but when Singer came back, things quickly change.

 

[NotNickFury]

Yeah, didn't the idea of a Magneto prequel evolve into what became First Class?

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah, didn't the idea of a Magneto prequel evolve into what became First Class?

It used some elements from the Magneto movie I think. That's why the writer of Magneto the movie got a story or writing credit in First Class.

As much as I liked Singer returning, he always ruined Fox's plans. First with abandoning X3 then throwing the planned Origin movies in favor to do his. I mean some of those things from that movie could have been saved. Look what The Wolverine and Dofp did to X3. They acknowledged that movie and it made X3 better. While Singer just went along with what he wanted as always

 

[GuestStar2004]

100% yes they were thinking about where Gambit would fit. You think Origins introducing Gambit and the young X-Men at the same time was coincedence? They were stringing all sorts of potential projects together.

Not a coincidence per say but they were using Origins to set up their several spin offs and they didn't hide that fact either.

Did gambit need to be in Origins? no, chances are it was to introduce him to the audience and putting all their all eggs in one basket before passing them out.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Look what The Wolverine and Dofp did to X3. They acknowledged that movie and it made X3 better.

That is debatable.

 

[marvelrobbins]

That is debatable.

sorry.they didn't.last stand still is as bad as ever.

ironic thing if the non-singer First class trilogy would have been made it still would have been in the past except it would have been 15 years before original trilogy.Donner was once quoted as saying the model was the later harry potter
films.The wolverine only was changed to present because of James Mangold.

I never thought i would hear defending of origins and people prefer first class trilogy to be followups to origins.but,here we are.Magneto still would have been in trilogy as donner said the difference was they ha dplanned to do his origin film before first class.

 

[henzINNIT]

A "First Class" film was on the cards for a long time, likely to be set in the 80's with the kids introduced in Origins. When Singer and Vaughn came on-board the project was altered, moved to the '60s and incorporated ideas from the Origins: Magneto film that was due to follow Wolverine. The First Class we know is a bit of a frankenstein monster.

Weren't they planning more Origins films? I am pretty sure they were teasing that Cyclops and Emma were some of Xavier of early students, who knows if that would have led to a film. But they were gonna do a Magneto prequel but when Singer came back, things quickly change.

The only 2 that ever seemed to be moving were Wolverine and Magneto. I recall Storm's name coming up, but nothing substantial ever came of it. There were writers working on that original "First Class". I think we did better with what we got, in the end.

As much as I liked Singer returning, he always ruined Fox's plans. First with abandoning X3 then throwing the planned Origin movies in favor to do his. I mean some of those things from that movie could have been saved. Look what The Wolverine and Dofp did to X3. They acknowledged that movie and it made X3 better. While Singer just went along with what he wanted as always

First Class in many ways is the worst thing to happen to this universe's continuity. It trampled on a ton of established facts in the series. All Fox ever seemed to have was plans though, at least when Singer returned he brought some talent along with him.

The Wolverine and DOFP did build on X3, and to some degree added some emotional weight to it. Doesn't make that film any better though.

I never thought i would hear defending of origins and people prefer first class trilogy to be followups to origins.but,here we are.

Er, no. I don't know where you are but it's certainly not here.

Does anyone here think 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine' was a good film?

 

[marvelrobbins]

A "First Class" film was on the cards for a long time, likely to be set in the 80's with the kids introduced in Origins. When Singer and Vaughn came on-board the project was altered, moved to the '60s and incorporated ideas from the Origins: Magneto film that was due to follow Wolverine. The First Class we know is a bit of a frankenstein monster.



The only 2 that ever seemed to be moving were Wolverine and Magneto. I recall Storm's name coming up, but nothing substantial ever came of it. There were writers working on that original "First Class". I think we did better with what we got, in the end.



First Class in many ways is the worst thing to happen to this universe's continuity. It trampled on a ton of established facts in the series. All Fox ever seemed to have was plans though, at least when Singer returned he brought some talent along with him.

The Wolverine and DOFP did build on X3, and to some degree added some emotional weight to it. Doesn't make that film any better though.



Er, no. I don't know where you are but it's certainly not here.

Does anyone here think 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine' was a good film?

magneto was the only for sure origins film but others were kicked around at time.

Your not wrong first class created most problems with contunity.

In this thread we had someone say they should have just followed up from origins instead of doing the first class film we saw.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Ironically X-Men Origins was the starting point to the messy continuity, it was just alot more subtle with it.

I mean Matthew vaughn recreated the opening of X1 frame by frame while the guys who worked on Origins couldn't even recapture wolverines escape from strykers lab like in the flashbacks shown in the OT.

Heck the fact there was no bullet in Logans skull in X1 makes the whole bullet thing in Origins odd in itself.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

In this thread we had someone say they should have just followed up from origins instead of doing the first class film we saw.

The first class trilogy was pointless

 

[Weather Witch]

Look what The Wolverine and Dofp did to X3. They acknowledged that movie and it made X3 better. While Singer just went along with what he wanted as always

I love how you say that DOFP acknowledges X3 and then say that Singer who was responsible for DOFP just did whatever he wanted.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I love how you say that DOFP acknowledges X3 and then say that Singer who was responsible for DOFP just did whatever he wanted.

That is because since singer didn't do film he wanted with apocalypse Singer
sucks.soon to some it will be DOFP the most successful X-Men film ww and
best reviewed film In series he had nothing to do with.

 

[Frankeh]

sorry.they didn't.last stand still is as bad as ever.

So is Apocalypse.

 

[henzINNIT]

So is Apocalypse.

I don't know if this is a good or bad reflection on Apocalypse, but at least you can pretty much skip right over it. Nothing really happens to change the standard dynamic. You can bet that when X7 comes around, any lingering plot threads will be washed away by the 10 year jump anyway.

 

[psylockolussus]

The Wolverine and DOFP did build on X3, and to some degree added some emotional weight to it. Doesn't make that film any better though.

Yes, it did. Resurrecting Cyke and Jean removed the sting from X3 that those two were killed and were never gonna return. While Jean's death had an actual impact well at least to Wolverine.

A "First Class" film was on the cards for a long time, likely to be set in the 80's with the kids introduced in Origins. When Singer and Vaughn came on-board the project was altered, moved to the '60s and incorporated ideas from the Origins: Magneto film that was due to follow Wolverine. The First Class we know is a bit of a frankenstein monster.

The thing is Singer could have given us an actual X-Men First Class film earlier instead of giving us Havok, Emma, Banshee, Beast who were just wasted. Especially now that the origin film of Storm, Cyke and Jean which we had to wait like five more years turned out to be bad. Then we also got Mystique getting a bigger role which could have been given to the actual X-Men.

 

[psylockolussus]

I love how you say that DOFP acknowledges X3 and then say that Singer who was responsible for DOFP just did whatever he wanted.

He cherry picks what he wants to ignore or not. You should know that by now. Just because he chose to keep some things from X3, doesn't mean he didn't ignore things from that movie. Umm Angel, Psylocke, Jubilee and Moira.

 

[Havok83]

It used some elements from the Magneto movie I think. That's why the writer of Magneto the movie got a story or writing credit in First Class.

As much as I liked Singer returning, he always ruined Fox's plans. First with abandoning X3 then throwing the planned Origin movies in favor to do his. I mean some of those things from that movie could have been saved. Look what The Wolverine and Dofp did to X3. They acknowledged that movie and it made X3 better. While Singer just went along with what he wanted as always

it didnt make it better. The movie still sucks