Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - - - - - Part 23

[Marvolo]

Yeah i'm sure Walder doesn't mind losing his position in the North and will go with the "it was an accident" excuse.

Walder has no personal interest in ruling Winterfell, he has no emotional attachment to his kids, and he doesnt want to risk losing all the other stuff he currently has. And the Lannisters are more important to him than the Boltons.

 

[Drz]

Walder has no personal interest in ruling Winterfell

You really think that?

, he has no emotional attachment to his kids,

Yes, but he does have emotional attachment in ruling and owning lands.

And the Lannisters are more important to him than the Boltons.

Well let's hope we'll see them talk about Bolton's betrayal.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They don't even know there is a betrayal.

 

[Drz]

Right, plot armor.

 

[Reek]

"Well let's hope we'll see them talk about Bolton's betrayal."

"They don't even know there is a betrayal."

"Right, plot armor."

First things first, Drz, who has me on ignore I assume... Says he hopes they talk about the Boltons betrayal.... DS says they don't know about it... Drz agrees with DS saying they don't know about it and that it is plot armor.. so how would they talk about something they don't know about? ...

Also... Everyone knows about Boltons betrayal of the Lannisters. I am assuming DS was talking about Ramsay betraying his father/Walda, which the Freys will not know about.

The Lannisters found out last season about the betrayal. Everyone knows. Marrying Ramsay to Sansa isn't some huge secret.

Unless he means the Boltons betraying the Freys... which is hardly relevant... if at all.

 

[Marvolo]

You really think that?



Yes, but he does have emotional attachment in ruling and owning lands.


Well let's hope we'll see them talk about Bolton's betrayal.

Geriatric Walder isnt interested in ruling a frozen cold castle in the far North especially during winter. He has better things in the South. Besides, whether Fat Walda is dead or alive Walder isnt going to be ruling or owning Winterfell so what has he really lost besides an obese daughter that he didnt care about?

Why should the Lannisters think Roose wasnt poisoned or think that Ramsay betrayed Roose and Walda? They werent there, they arent omniscient, and as far as we know they arent receiving detailed letters describing everything that goes on in Winterfell.

Ramsay could say she died in childbirth and I doubt anyone would question it. The mortality rate of women in childbirth in medieval times was high. I assume its the same in Westeros.

He could say she killed herself and the baby because of Roose's death. Even prior to modern medicine it was known that women could become depressed or suffer from what we now know as postpartum depression.

Or he could say she was assassinated along with Roose by an enemy.

Or he could say her fat ass killed over.

There is a number of explanations he could give for her death and the Lannisters and Walder wouldnt have a bit of evidence to prove otherwise or much of a reason to think otherwise and no reason to do anything risky and foolish such as heading North with an army during winter to avenge Fat ****ing Walda.

 

[Reek]

Stop using reason and logic, Marv... it won't work.

 

[Drz]

Geriatric Walder isnt interested in ruling a frozen cold castle in the far North especially during winter

H wouldn't be there himself, but he'd still have their "loyalty" and more importantly their wealth.

. He has better things in the South. Besides, whether Fat Walda is dead or alive Walder isnt going to be ruling or owning Winterfell so what has he really lost besides an obese daughter that he didnt care about?

He lost power, they would have had a Frey ruling Winterfell if it weren't for Ramsay.

Why should the Lannisters think Roose wasnt poisoned or think that Ramsay betrayed Roose and Walda?

Well Ramsay has to have Roose's funeral and Walda's funeral a secret, because Roose has stab wounds and Walda was eaten.

You'd have to assume everyone in Winterfell has dedicated their entire lives to Ramsay for nothing to leak out.

Ramsay could say she died in childbirth and I doubt anyone would question it.

Yeah, he can say anything, but the body is missing.

The thing is, why should the Lannisters or Freys even trust someone who has the reputation of a Mad Dog?

 

[Reek]

Apparently he doesn't realize Walda is a Bolton now. Funny thing about marriage

 

[Reek]

the body is missing....

Gee... what excuse could I make for that? hmmmmmmm this may take me some time....

Ohhhh... The Warden of the North was just murdered... in his own castle... That wouldn't possibly scare Walda into fleeing with her newborn son would it? nahhhh...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

H wouldn't be there himself, but he'd still have their "loyalty" and more importantly their wealth.



He lost power, they would have had a Frey ruling Winterfell if it weren't for Ramsay.

One, the kid was a Bolton. Two, using your own logic he can't possible having real control over it with another in place, as we just saw by their assassination.

Well Ramsay has to have Roose's funeral and Walda's funeral a secret, because Roose has stab wounds and Walda was eaten.

You'd have to assume everyone in Winterfell has dedicated their entire lives to Ramsay for nothing to leak out.

Did you miss how he deals with people there? They are frighten of him.

Yeah, he can say anything, but the body is missing.

The thing is, why should the Lannisters or Freys even trust someone who has the reputation of a Mad Dog?

That is the secret of Ramsay. The only ones who know he is a mad dog are either dead or too afraid to say anything about it. Have you been watching?

You also seem to forget that his wife has been "kidnapped" and he was just attacked by an army. So yeah, he has plenty of cover to use. He has enemies.

 

[Drz]

One, the kid was a Bolton.

Bolton and Frey. Are you implying if Jon Snow is a Targaryen, his Stark roots should be forgotten?

Did you miss how he deals with people there? They are frighten of him.

That is the secret of Ramsay. The only ones who know he is a mad dog are either dead or too afraid to say anything about it. Have you been watching?

So plot armor.

You also seem to forget that his wife has been "kidnapped" and he was just attacked by an army. So yeah, he has plenty of cover to use. He has enemies.

But noone knows his wife has been "kidnapped" right? That'd just screw him more over and he couldn't use that as a cover.

 

[Reek]

Have you been watching?

 

[Reek]

There we go again with that 'plot armor' crap lol

GRRM has even made everyone but Roose scared of Ramsay... but that goes over peoples heads I guess.

 

[Reek]

If that is 'plot armor' ... we may as well never discuss Dany again.

 

[Reek]

For the love of....

 

[Reek]

Even if Ramsay let Walda and her son live (but lets be real, the kid was dead regardless)... Ramsay is in control because she's clearly ****ing terrified... I fear Drz is watching a completely different show.

Walda BOLTON by the way.. she is not a Frey anymore. hasn't been since season 2 lol ... She's loyal to her husband. and with him gone she doesn't even want to **** with ramsay.

 

[Reek]

Eesh... this is starting to feel like Jon Snows death....

"For the Hype"

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Eesh... this is starting to feel like Jon Snows death....

"For the Hype"

Wait, he thought Jon was actually dead?

 

[Reek]

Wait, he thought Jon was actually dead?

I think so actually lol... Dany is Azor Ahai remember?

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

I can't seem to shake the coincidence of having the Tower of Joy shown the week after Jon comes back. I bet R+L=J wasn't even fact until fan theories popped up and GRRM and D&D said hell yeah. Sounds good to all!

 

[Reek]

Alright folks... lets get rid of the flash talk lol

Ok... So... Tower of Joy.... How much will we see? Is it all in one episode? Will we see the full on promise? How bad ass will Ned be? Hell, as an older man he was holding his own with Jaime... I hope for some full on Northern ass kicking.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

Aye, but it would take a lot for a Kingsguard to not only cease his loyalty but to break their oath.

We know through Selmy and Jaime how much that oath means between their admissions of standing idly by while horrific acts were committed and Selmy's still apparent disgust at Jaime's oath breaking.

For Dayne, supposedly the most chivalrous Knight in all of the seven kingdoms, I would have thought his oath meant just as much to him, and wouldn't have been broken lightly regardless of how insane his King was.

You could also say that Dayne, Hightower and Whent didn't break their vow because they were still protecting the royal family(if Rhaegar did marry Lyanna it would make her and Jon members of the royal family)

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I have a feeling it'll cut out before we see the the answer to our question.

Maybe he'll wake up and be like "Meera, I have a mission for you - I need you to find your father" and she goes with one of the Children of the Forrest.

 

[Reek]

her father shouldn't be hard to find since he is sitting in Greywater Watch