Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - - - - - - Part 24

[Marvolo]

Compared to them now:

Have yall noticed that Drogon has more than one row of teeth?

He's a ****ing firebreathing chainsaw with wings.

 

[Reek]

Have they named Rhaegal and Viserion on screen yet? I know they've namedropped Drogon a few times.

Yea, Dany calls out for them then she runs away lol

 

[Roose Bolton]

Compared to them now:

have yall noticed that Drogon has more than one row of teeth?

He's a ****ing firebreathing chainsaw with wings.

They've cast a much less attractive dragon than his book counterpart

 

[Reek]

Well that is because Drogon is a boy.

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/kit-harington-faces-backlash-for-saying-men-face-162925294.html

 

[Marvolo]

They've cast a much less attractive dragon than his book counterpart

Look at that face. He's a cute puppy dog.

 

[Marvolo]

On a serious note, have yall noticed that he looks like cooling lava in this scene:

 

[Sawyer]

DragonS? There's more than one?!?!?

 

[Reek]

Dany is going reverse cowgirl

 

[Reek]

Oh, please. so are you, boo boo.

 

[Roose Bolton]

A dragon, black on red

Someone hand me my pipe.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

I just read the Damphair chapter. Damn. This book needs to come right now!!!!

I have a question, though. Euron claims he killed 3 of his brothers. Balon, Robin ( when he was a baby) but he doesn't say who the 3rd one is.
At first I thought he was implying the third would be Damphair, so I was afraid for him the whole chapter. But Euron clearly states "Balon was the third, but you already knew".
So who is the second one? Or it has been said and I'm missing something here?

Have they named Rhaegal and Viserion on screen yet? I know they've namedropped Drogon a few times.

Only time I remember is in season 5 when Dany went for the first time to the cave after locking them up. She called them by name. I believe it was Season 5 ep 1 or 2

 

[Roose Bolton]

I just read the Damphair chapter. Damn. This book needs to come right now!!!!

I have a question, though. Euron claims he killed 3 of his brothers. Balon, Robin ( when he was a baby) but he doesn't say who the 3rd one is.
At first I thought he was implying the third would be Damphair, so I was afraid for him the whole chapter. But Euron clearly states "Balon was the third, but you already knew".
So who is the second one? Or it has been said and I'm missing something here?

The third brother was his older brother Harlon, the only child from Quellon Greyjoy's first marriage to live past infancy. He was the one who was sick with really bad Greyscale when Aeron and his brothers were just children. Euron says he pinched Harlon's nose shut until he suffocated (the greyscale had reached his mouth and he couldn't scream or breath through it anymore).

 

[Reek]

Roose pinched my nose one time... it ended weird but..

 

[Roose Bolton]

But it taught you to pray.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

Oooh ok thanks. I thought the Greyscale one was Robin.

 

[Reek]

Robin Dukejoy

 

[Roose Bolton]

Oooh ok thanks. I thought the Greyscale one was Robin.

Robin was the one that came from the third marriage. I think his mother was from the Riverlands or somewhere around there. Damphair mentions in AFFC that Robin was "a sickly idiot boy, best left forgotten" from his father's marriage to a Piper woman from the Riverlands.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

Robin was the one that came from the third marriage. I think his mother was from the Riverlands or somewhere around there. Damphair mentions in AFFC that Robin was "a sickly idiot boy, best left forgotten" from his father's marriage to a Piper woman from the Riverlands.

So the three brothers Euron kills are Balon, Harlon and Robin?

 

[Iceman]

The dragons used to be so cute:

Did they keep these colours as they grew up?

 

[Infinity9999x]

It's interesting, I really enjoyed the introduction, as well as focus on other characters which started in AFFC and continued in ADWD, it made for a rather welcome change of pace from the endless flurry of 'events' in ASOS. I felt that the introduction of these new plot lines served to further flesh out the world of Westeros, something I feel the show hasn't really done all that much - I mean, I understand why they haven't done so, given their budgets and amount of episodes/season. But it's one of the things I genuinely enjoyed about the books and it's rather disappointing for me to not see it done in the TV adaptation as well.

Having said all that, I can definitely see why some people perceive GRRM's introduction of all the new plot lines and characters as him dragging his feet and postponing the final ending for the book storyline.

From a storytelling angle, I think it needed to happen sooner. After you read about 3000 pages of characters you come to really connect to and care about, and watching many of them die, and in general get the overall feeling that the main storyline was moving towards the end game....only to then directly jump into an introduction of a whole new cast of characters...that's more than a little annoying. It's equivalent to if after the battle of Helm's Deep Tolkien left all the fellowship characters for half a book to introduce a whole new cast of random elves and dwarves to follow.

On top of that, many of the iron born felt like rehashes of characters we've already seen. Enron-creepy sadistic brother who's manipulating all the iron born to his own ends, and he might be somewhat magical. He's Ramsay mixed with Littlefinger and a little magic thrown in. Vicatrion-feerless warrior who plunders and pillages...Kahl Drogo on a boat. Etc.

Added to that, if Euron's arc essentially becomes "bad guy sails to Danny, tries to control Danny, get's fried by Danny and she takes his ships" I'll be even more annoyed he was given so much book time this late in the game.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

Also Reek, you can PM the answer to this, but have you heard any whisperings about LSH possibly appearing in this season? Or was this episode just teasing her for the sake of teasing?

George R.R. Martin confirms something important about Lady Stoneheart

 

[TheVileOne]

You could've just said Martin said she's been cut from the show.

 

[Roose Bolton]

From a storytelling angle, I think it needed to happen sooner. After you read about 3000 pages of characters you come to really connect to and care about, and watching many of them die, and in general get the overall feeling that the main storyline was moving towards the end game....only to then directly jump into an introduction of a whole new cast of characters...that's more than a little annoying. It's equivalent to if after the battle of Helm's Deep Tolkien left all the fellowship characters for half a book to introduce a whole new cast of random elves and dwarves to follow.

There was always going to be at least three more novels of the same length following A Storm of Swords. Honestly I'm not sure how you thought that the series was approaching the endgame with that in mind, certainly a midway point had been crossed, but the series wasnt ever intended to be a quadrilogy and each novel introduced new POVs to follow. Clash of Kings had Davos and Theon, A Storm of Swords had Jaime. Pretty much all of the Ironborn had been introduced as characters in Clash, just like how Jaime was introduced in AGOT, and even going right back to George's earliest planning, the Kingsmoot was always going to open the potential 4th novel after the aftermath of Storm. The idea has always been that the first three novels dealt with the War of Five Kings, and the last three dealt with the more overt supernatural threats. Given that Euron was basically foreshadowed throughout the first trilogy and then made his appearance right after, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, especially since the White Walkers themselves weren't used a lot in the first three novels either.

On top of that, many of the iron born felt like rehashes of characters we've already seen. Enron-creepy sadistic brother who's manipulating all the iron born to his own ends, and he might be somewhat magical. He's Ramsay mixed with Littlefinger and a little magic thrown in. Vicatrion-feerless warrior who plunders and pillages...Kahl Drogo on a boat. Etc.

See this is kind of a weird view, because on an aesthetic or thematic level, Euron is nothing like Littlefinger. And he's only akin to Ramsay in the sense that he's a psychopath who tortures people, but even then, Ramsay is not the character of the show. He's dumb muscle in the books, a thug who Theon was foolish enough to fall for. Everything about Euron screams Lovecraft, he's walking apocalypse. Likewise, Victarion is only like Drogo, in as much as he and Drogo are both based on Conan the Cimmerian. Drogo was basically just Dany's love interest whom we only saw via their love scenes. Victarion is a POV character whose thoughts and emotions are open to the reader, and his arc is unique as a villain who views himself as a hero.

Added to that, if Euron's arc essentially becomes "bad guy sails to Danny, tries to control Danny, get's fried by Danny and she takes his ships" I'll be even more annoyed he was given so much book time this late in the game.

Dany has no need to take Euron's ships, because Euron isn't bringing her ships. Euron is in the Reach about to unleash the Kraken on the Redwyne fleet. Victarion is the one who is sailing to Dany, and by the looks of it that crazy bastard might actually be in love with her and join her side. The newest chapter basically flat out shows us that this guy is very apocalyptic and factors into the White Walkers in some real way. Him being simple a road bump for Dany is massively underestimating the story, especially when all factors point to him factoring into the endgame.

You might not like the Ironborn, which is fair because they're not everyone's cup of tea, but just because you don't like them doesn't mean that they're unimportant to the narrative..

 

[Marvolo]

After reading The Forsaken, Euron is one of the things Im most excited about. Im glad George included them.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

You could've just said Martin said she's been cut from the show.

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