Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - - - - - - Part 24

[Reek]

No chance of Stoneheart now.

shoot that hope left years ago

Weird creative decisions this ep, imo, but it wasn't too bad. Next week looks like another amazing episode 9, though.

yea it really looks amazing.

 

[TheFuture]

I think they were taking the piss this season though.

The ramped up references to Cat (especially last night).

Jaime and Brienne both converging on Riverrun.

Lemoncloak leading a bunch of renegades who use hanging as a method of execution.

The last in particular is drawing my ire, no idea why they went to the bother of introducing him.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I've that entire complaint about the Greyjoys. I think it's mostly fanservice.

 

[Charlatan]

Cool video that posits an idea about the overall concept of Game of Thrones.
That there are 2 main gods opposed to each other and the world is their game board with all the people their game pieces.

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[Marvolo]

About Cersei's plan,

Spoiler

Ign did an article about what Cersei may be planning, and I wanted to see what y'all thought.

Originally I thought she would burn the Tower of the Hand. But then I thought it made more sense for her to destroy the Sept, but in Bran's vision in a very brief flash we see the tunnel where the Wildfyre is stored exploding.

The Mad King wasn't able to ignite the Wildfyre so that moment must be a future event. What if Cersei's plan isn't to burn just the Sept, but is instead planning to ignite all the Wildfyre under King's Landing and burns down a huge chunk of King's Landing?

Which leads me to another pic. A moment from Dany's vision in season 2.

That may not be snow on the ground. Maybe it's ash. Maybe it's falling because Cersei burned down King's Landing.

What do y'all think?

 

[Double B]

Spoiler

Yeah, I think Cersei will set fire to the city during the trial (before she arrives obviously) and take the Faith, the High Sparrow, Margaery, Olenna, Loras and chillingly, Tommen down with it.

She'll end this season as the Mad Queen.

 

[Charlatan]

oh yeah she's gonna burn it all down and duck out that tunnel that Tyrion used to flank Stannis in Blackwater. Then probably high tail it to Casterly Rock and blame it on the High Sparrow.

 

[Wise]

oh yeah she's gonna burn it all down and duck out that tunnel that Tyrion used to flank Stannis in Blackwater. Then probably high tail it to Casterly Rock and blame it on the High Sparrow.

We have to see Casterly Rock eventually on the show. It's been mentioned every season. That has to be where the end game for Jamie and Cercei is.

 

[TheFuture]

I've that entire complaint about the Greyjoys. I think it's mostly fanservice.

What I don't get is that I would have thought fan service was introducing a character for his intended purpose, not for some random one. I'd have thought that would piss fans off not appease them!!

The Hound was D&D's way of literally pissing into Cat's grave and on LSH as a character.

 

[Roose Bolton]

They did the same thing with the Martells, purely because they thought fans would get a kick out of seeing some of Oberyn's family...how wrong they were.

 

[Charlatan]

What I don't get is that I would have thought fan service was introducing a character for his intended purpose, not for some random one. I'd have thought that would piss fans off not appease them!!

The Hound was D&D's way of literally pissing into Cat's grave and on LSH as a character.

I wonder what the odds are of Arya joining the Hound and the Brotherhood running with her as her pack as she goes around marking names off her list?

 

[Reek]

Arya Stoneheart is basically a given, esp if the spoilers are true.

 

[Marvolo]

Spoiler

Yeah, I think Cersei will set fire to the city during the trial (before she arrives obviously) and take the Faith, the High Sparrow, Margaery, Olenna, Loras and chillingly, Tommen down with it.

She'll end this season as the Mad Queen.

Spoiler

Olenna isn't in King's Landing. She has already left for Highgarden. So she will survive Cersei's plan. But Mace Tyrell and Margaery will most likely die which will most likely result in the Tyrell's declaring war on the Lannisters.

 

[Marvolo]

I think they were taking the piss this season though.

The ramped up references to Cat (especially last night).

Jaime and Brienne both converging on Riverrun.

Lemoncloak leading a bunch of renegades who use hanging as a method of execution.

The last in particular is drawing my ire, no idea why they went to the bother of introducing him.

And them camping beside a river then having Hound piss in said river and pointing the camera at the water. In the books she is washed up in a river and the Brotherhood finds her. It's as if D&D wanted us to think she was going to wash up right there during that scene.

 

[Reek]

It's more like D&D were the Hound pissing on any hope we had...

I'm sorry, call me what you will, be the hater... D&D blatantly tell certain fans to go **** themselves.

 

[Charlatan]

And them camping beside a river then having Hound piss in said river and pointing the camera at the water. In the books she is washed up in a river and the Brotherhood finds her. It's as if D&D wanted us to think she was going to wash up right there during that scene.

I thought Nymeria dragged the body out of the river only 3 days after the Red Wedding?

They might run into Brienne and Podrick though.

Or maybe they find Blackfish's corpse and Thoros rezzes him and we get Lord Stoneheart

 

[Marvolo]

It's more like D&D were the Hound pissing on any hope we had...

I'm sorry, call me what you will, be the hater... D&D blatantly tell certain fans to go **** themselves.

I think it's safe to say that D&D show a certain contempt for parts of Martin's creation. I may be more forgiving of the show, but even I can see that. Back in season 1 D&D really appeared to have a reverence for the books and for Martin, but it is as if with each season their heads have gotten bigger and they have forgotten that without Martin and his creation they wouldn't have ****.

Maybe it's not as bad as it appears to me, but I get the impression that D&D don't feel they need Martin and have gotten high own their own stuff and their own success.

Needless to say I do feel bad for Martin. This can't be how he wanted any of this to turn out.

 

[Reek]

hear, hear...

I still enjoy the show for what it is though. it's not like it's worth shunning off completely.

 

[Verick808]

I think some of you guys are a little paranoid.

 

[Doctor Jones]

My hopes for LSH have crashed and burned at this point. Seeing Beric and the men with the nooses made me like

 

[Infinity9999x]

I think it's safe to say that D&D show a certain contempt for parts of Martin's creation. I may be more forgiving of the show, but even I can see that. Back in season 1 D&D really appeared to have a reverence for the books and for Martin, but it is as if with each season their heads have gotten bigger and they have forgotten that without Martin and his creation they wouldn't have ****.

Maybe it's not as bad as it appears to me, but I get the impression that D&D don't feel they need Martin and have gotten high own their own stuff and their own success.

Needless to say I do feel bad for Martin. This can't be how he wanted any of this to turn out.

I feel as bad for Martin as I did for say...Ryan Reynolds as he was struggling to get Deadpool made. It's a bummer...but at the end of the day the dude is a multimillionaire.

Martin only has himself to blame, and he's said as much. It wasn't like he was unaware they would produce a season every year, and his previous pace should have tipped him off as to how quickly they would approach him. So on one hand, it's unfortunate, but he made his bed. And he now has to lie in it.

And I'm sure he dries his tears of creative disconnect with hundred dollar bills.

 

[Victarion]

I wonder if we'll be cutting back and forth between Winterfell and Meereen next weekend?

I thought Cersei would want to control the damage as much as possible. I'm expecting her to load the majority of the wildfire beneath the sept of Baelor. But it may be that there's enough that the other caches get ignited too.

 

[stillanerd]

About Cersei's plan,

Spoiler

Ign did an article about what Cersei may be planning, and I wanted to see what y'all thought.

Originally I thought she would burn the Tower of the Hand. But then I thought it made more sense for her to destroy the Sept, but in Bran's vision in a very brief flash we see the tunnel where the Wildfyre is stored exploding.

The Mad King wasn't able to ignite the Wildfyre so that moment must be a future event. What if Cersei's plan isn't to burn just the Sept, but is instead planning to ignite all the Wildfyre under King's Landing and burns down a huge chunk of King's Landing?

Which leads me to another pic. A moment from Dany's vision in season 2.

That may not be snow on the ground. Maybe it's ash. Maybe it's falling because Cersei burned down King's Landing.

What do y'all think?

I completely agree. Because

Spoiler

having Cersei cause the burning of King's Landing--which also results in the death of Tommen--while trying to destroy the Faith Militant makes complete sense in terms of her overall story.

The whole tragedy of Cersei is that she's willing to go to any lengths to protect her children, but that by doing so, she not only brings the Seven Kingdoms to ruin, her very actions ironically lead to her children's deaths. It would also potentially be the last straw in terms of Jamie's relationship with her. After all, he's the guy who saved all of King's Landing when the Mad King wanted to "burn it all" and yet it's the woman he loved and the mother of his children who ends up doing just that. Not to mention also potentially killing their youngest born in the process, even if it was an accident.

Oh, and here's something else to think about: if Cersei uses the Wildfire on the Great Sept and it goes out of control, that means a large portion of that Wildfire stockpile--which would've been a vital weapon against the White Walkers--would be gone.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I think it's safe to say that D&D show a certain contempt for parts of Martin's creation. I may be more forgiving of the show, but even I can see that. Back in season 1 D&D really appeared to have a reverence for the books and for Martin, but it is as if with each season their heads have gotten bigger and they have forgotten that without Martin and his creation they wouldn't have ****.

Maybe it's not as bad as it appears to me, but I get the impression that D&D don't feel they need Martin and have gotten high own their own stuff and their own success.

Needless to say I do feel bad for Martin. This can't be how he wanted any of this to turn out.

I definitely get that impression. Stannis is exhibit A. I'm biased because I like his character in the book, but he was never done justice in the show. In season 3, they made it seem like Melisandre had basically hypnotized him into doing her bidding.

The most interesting aspect of his plot is ADWD which makes it obvious how two major pieces are poorly handled in the show. Show Stannis is making a mad rush in a snow storm to siege Winterfell when he's clearly poorly prepared before Ser Twenty of House Goodmen sabotages his entire camp. Book Stannis was smarter and liberated Northern houses and essentially conscripted the now-refugee Ironborn. There's also the great Nightlamp theory.

The other part is the Northern houses. In ADWD, "The North Remembers" actually means something. The show made it into a meme in season 2 (too early in my opinion). The Red Wedding and the Frey's betrayal of Guest Right was an egregious offense to ancient laws; it's something everyone else in Westeros believes now curses their house and many Northerners want blood for it. Instead, the show makes them blame Robb for losing and getting everyone killed and most are chomping at the bit to snuff out the rest of the Starks. To add insult to injury, the Manderlys have been completely absent. It was such a great moment in the book because after seeing the Starks suffer, we finally one of their vassals give a damn.

I'm hoping that there is a Gandalf-arrives-at-Helm's-Deep scene next week, but it's the Manderlys and not the Knights of the Vale. It would have been awesome to see Brienne, Pod, and Blackfish flee Riverrun, head to White Harbor, and enlist the Manderlys. Instead, Blackfish gets an anti-climactic end. At least Selmy got an on-screen death.

This season has been better than season 5 (which I despise so much I refuse to buy the Blu-Ray), but so many plotlines have seemed to peter out and fall flat. D&D were very good at adapting the first 3 through the first 4 seasons, but they're mediocre when it comes to creating original content.

Next week should be exciting but I can see some ultimately pointless deaths of characters we like because they have to keep to their now-tired shtick of killing people off.

 

[Schlosser85]

We have to see Casterly Rock eventually on the show. It's been mentioned every season. That has to be where the end game for Jamie and Cercei is.

I'm not sure if Cersei is getting out of King's Landing alive.