Gears of War 3 - Part 1

[jacobed]

Hahaha one video does not change my mind. I am a hardcore sawed off user and trust me the gnasher has more range than the sawed off in any way imaginable. I don't want to know how many times a gnasher has stayed from enough away from me to take me down while I can't touch him.

 

[Scrandy Randy]

Nope. That's about all I got. You counter everything I have by whining like a little b***h. We get it, you aren't good enough to over come the noob Sawed Off. Enjoy being pwned by your inferiors.

No I countered your points by explaining how every supposed con of the SOS isn't really a con.

Low ammo - You can easily pickup more.
No range - It has a farther gib range then the gnasher.
Long reload time - Run away.

Hahaha one video does not change my mind. I am a hardcore sawed off user and trust me the gnasher has more range than the sawed off in any way imaginable. I don't want to know how many times a gnasher has stayed from enough away from me to take me down while I can't touch him.

So we should take your word over visual proof.

Okay.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

So you have no more excuses.

The SOS has a farther gib range then the gnasher despite it being labelled as a close range gun.

You're exactly right. If someone has an advantage in literally every close range situation that's unfair. If the gnasher is supposed to be the mid range gun yet the SOS has a farther gib range that's unfair. If someone starts the game off with an advantage that's unfair.

There's not a single gun in the game with those kind of advantages that you can grab off spawn.

Yes, I want to know that if im getting killed it's by someone who has at least a smidge more intelligence then a chimp and can do more then just pull a trigger.

Once again im doing fine "dealing with it", im better then you. Doesn't change the fact the SOS is giving bad players an unfair advantage.

Obviously they aren't bad players cause they're managing to kill the Gears of War king that you are. It's a new game, therefore everyone is should be on somewhat even footing, sure playing the previous games gives you a little advantage, but new features take time to get used to. I'm sure with your awesome skills you'll figure out a way to counter the sawed off's power soon and you can resume being the Gears of War king you are. Me, I've got a job, a girlfriend and a life outside of video games, so I'll play my few multiplayer matches every few days and get destroyed by you because you spent countless hours learning every aspect of the map and guns capabilities. However, once in a while I'll actually manage to get a kill and you'll get all upsetand call it cheap because someone without 100 hours logged in the first week of the game was able to kill you.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

No I countered your points by explaining how every supposed con of the SOS isn't really a con.

Low ammo - You can easily pickup more.
No range - It has a farther gib range then the gnasher.
Long reload time - Run away.

Oh lord.

Low ammo, you get ONE shot. If you miss on a skilled Gears player, you are NOT getting away. Period.

If you are outside of that kill range, its useless, you might as well not even fire. The Gnasher can still deal out a fair amount of damage plus you dont have to reload after each shot.

Again, if you miss me with the SO, you aren't getting away.

Your "argument" just lends more validity to the point that you aren't as good as you think you are. Obviously someone is killing you with that weapon after having missed or being out of range. Thats on your skill, or rather lack there of.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

So you have no more valid points. Only suggesting I use it myself.

Okay.

Just not the energy to go through them all... I'll do a summary...

The SOS has a farther gib range then the gnasher despite it being labelled as a close range gun.

Once again im doing fine "dealing with it", im better then you.

If the gnasher is supposed to be the mid range gun yet the SOS has a farther gib range that's unfair

You can just make up whatever smart arse comment from me that you want here, your comments are ridiculous.

Also, how about we stop using that biased, innacurate video as supposed evidence. Yeah, MANUALLY AIMING a gnasher shotgun at a guys midsection will not do as much damage. However, everyone knows the gnasher does the one shots with fire from the hip, which this guy conveniently leaves out of the equation, along with headshot one shots. What a totally well rounded scientific experiment.


Also, please, keep using your K/D ration as further evidence of your skill. I don't think there's a single gametype I DON'T have a positive K/D ratio on, but I'm not gonna harp on about it as supposed evidence that puts me on a podium above anyone else, because I don't believe it does. I think it makes me an above average player which is something to be happy about and thats it. It means I can enjoy the game without feeling like I suck but I can still have fun and not feel like it's as intense and serious as other shooters.

People like you quite honestly suck that fun away. But hey, to be perfectly frank, I am more than happy right now to say the following things.

1) You are a better player than all of us, you are the most skilled and we are inferior, and
2) The Sawed Off Shotgun is ONLY for noobs, it gives idiots and morons unlimited power and ruins the game for all the vulnerable, underpowered Gnasher users.

I will happily admit these things right now, with no loss of pride, if it means we can change this god damn subject once and for all. Deal?

 

[Master Chief]

I did that yesterday, I actually had a lot of fun with it. I did it on Checkout and stayed at Wave 2, making sure to just kill 6 of the 7 guys so I didn't advance. At that point the wretches can still jump over the barriers and there aren't any really difficult turrets or anything.

Plus, as you keep failing the wave and doing it over, you get a **** load of money. I had all beast tiers unlocked and like 90,000 dollars by the time I unlocked instagib. So, I continued and destroyed the rest of the waves with a bunch of beserkers. t:

Yeah I've been getting 5-10 kills a day on Checkout but it's annoying coz sometimes they spawn in clusters and it's tough to get a kill hahah I wish the stun lasted like, a second longer than it does.

Also, how about we stop using that biased, innacurate video as supposed evidence. Yeah, MANUALLY AIMING a gnasher shotgun at a guys midsection will not do as much damage. However, everyone knows the gnasher does the one shots with fire from the hip, which this guy conveniently leaves out of the equation, along with headshot one shots. What a totally well rounded scientific experiment.

lmfao how is the video biased or inaccurate? It shows what the weapons do just outside of melee distance in a lag-free environment.

 

[Scrandy Randy]

Obviously they aren't bad players cause they're managing to kill the Gears of War king that you are. It's a new game, therefore everyone is should be on somewhat even footing, sure playing the previous games gives you a little advantage, but new features take time to get used to. I'm sure with your awesome skills you'll figure out a way to counter the sawed off's power soon and you can resume being the Gears of War king you are. Me, I've got a job, a girlfriend and a life outside of video games, so I'll play my few multiplayer matches every few days and get destroyed by you because you spent countless hours learning every aspect of the map and guns capabilities. However, once in a while I'll actually manage to get a kill and you'll get all upsetand call it cheap because someone without 100 hours logged in the first week of the game was able to kill you.

Ahh the classic "I have a life and you don't bro!"

Oh lord.
Low ammo, you get ONE shot. If you miss on a skilled Gears player, you are NOT getting away. Period.

That's simply not true. You can't fire while roadie running and anyone can pillar hump until their SOS is reloaded. You're only shot is getting 3-4 actived gnasher shots off before the SOS user gets around a corner or starts pillar humping to reload. Running away also gives you the opportunity to take out your rifle.

If you are outside of that kill range, its useless, you might as well not even fire. The Gnasher can still deal out a fair amount of damage plus you dont have to reload after each shot.

The gnasher can barely deal enough damage actived to stop someone who's roadie running away not even counting the numerous chances the SOS user will have to get around a corner/pillar on any map/

Again, if you miss me with the SO, you aren't getting away.

Again, you are and it's fairly easy to get away and around cover.

Your "argument" just lends more validity to the point that you aren't as good as you think you are. Obviously someone is killing you with that weapon after having missed or being out of range. Thats on your skill, or rather lack there of.

Baseless assumptions.

Also, how about we stop using that biased, innacurate video as supposed evidence. Yeah, MANUALLY AIMING a gnasher shotgun at a guys midsection will not do as much damage. However, everyone knows the gnasher does the one shots with fire from the hip, which this guy conveniently leaves out of the equation, along with headshot one shots. What a totally well rounded scientific experiment.

Hip fire and hard aiming doesn't change how much damage a gun does.

The video proves the SOS has a farther gib range then the Gnasher plain and simple.

Also, please, keep using your K/D ration as further evidence of your skill. I don't think there's a single gametype I DON'T have a positive K/D ratio on, but I'm not gonna harp on about it as supposed evidence that puts me on a podium above anyone else, because I don't believe it does. I think it makes me an above average player which is something to be happy about and thats it. It means I can enjoy the game without feeling like I suck but I can still have fun and not feel like it's as intense and serious as other shooters.

The KD and W/L was brought up when you and Project Pat made the baseless assumption that im having trouble and that's why im complaining. On the contrary I do fine, im probably better then you, and I have a problem with the gun because it's unfair not because I can't deal with it.

People like you quite honestly suck that fun away. But hey, to be perfectly frank, I am more than happy right now to say the following things.

1) You are a better player than all of us, you are the most skilled and we are inferior, and
2) The Sawed Off Shotgun is ONLY for noobs, it gives idiots and morons unlimited power and ruins the game for all the vulnerable, underpowered Gnasher users.

I will happily admit these things right now, with no loss of pride, if it means we can change this god damn subject once and for all. Deal?

This doesn't even deserve a reply. This is something a teenage girl does. Twists and turns things to make you look like the victim.

We were having a perfectly fine conversation/argument until you, Project Pat, and Amazing Fantasy decided it needs to be more then just discussing the SOS and said things like "You're probably just bad at the game", "I have a girlfriend and a life bro", "You're clearly not as good as you think you are", etc.

 

[Scrandy Randy]

Another solution besides a playlist without the retro and SOS would be to make the SOS a map pickup. It lets good players defend the spawns and not let bad players get them and it restricts the ability to pick up ammo.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Man, who gives a ****.

 

[Scrandy Randy]

Man, who gives a ****.

I'd say most if not everyone who took the time to get good with the gnasher only to have it made null and void by Epic just because they want to give bad players a chance to experience CQC.

Did you play online in GoW and 2? Do you play online now?

 

[StrainedEyes]

I think the rolling-gnasher mentality of hardcore Gears players really hurts the multiplayer, and I am glad Epic finally addressed it by adding a counter weapon to piss those people off. Simple as that.

There are so many cool weapons and flanking people around cover is so fun, it's a huge bummer when 80% of the people in a match are just rolling around trying to get gnasher kills. If the SOS gets you and all of them to switch their game up, and make the multiplayer a more varied and interesting environment, instead of gnash-roll-gnash-roll, I'm all for it.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Hip fire and hard aiming doesn't change how much damage a gun does.

The video proves the SOS has a farther gib range then the Gnasher plain and simple.

Oh, well in that case I guess I'm a more skilled gnasher user than you. I have no problem getting one shots from a medium distance range with a fire from the hip. I've found Gnasher has always been the case with that, since the first Gears game. That's always been the trade off, right? Hip firing is less precise but does more damage, ADS does less damage but can be more focused and precise... Wait, that trade off sounds familiar.... Hmmmm

We were having a perfectly fine conversation/argument until you, Project Pat, and Amazing Fantasy decided it needs to be more then just discussing the SOS and said things like "You're probably just bad at the game", "I have a girlfriend and a life bro", "You're clearly not as good as you think you are", etc.

But Project Pat, Amazing and myself were the only ones disagreeing, and we were making those points before you even came along?

And if you go back a page, you were the first one pulling out crap about how skilled you were, "Look at mah K/D"

 

[ProjectPat2280]

That's simply not true. You can't fire while roadie running and anyone can pillar hump until their SOS is reloaded. You're only shot is getting 3-4 actived gnasher shots off before the SOS user gets around a corner or starts pillar humping to reload. Running away also gives you the opportunity to take out your rifle.

Its not true for you, because obviously you can't deal with a moving opponent. If you miss with the SO, a good Gears player will drop you. Period.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

You know, the really funny thing is, people are *****ing and whining all over the internet, on both sides of the argument, about the bloody shotguns... Meanwhile, I'm just laughing through deathmatch games with the Retro :P I'm still really hoping that both sides admit defeat and Gears can become somewhat less about shotgunning. I mean, I would much rather chainsaw a dude or down them and execute (which I will always go out of my way for, simply because it's awesome) over getting a 'one shot'. I hate the whole K/D obssession mentality in gamers. For me, thats where I feel like games like COD have kinda ruined it a little. I love Gears because it's fun and that's the only reason I play it... In games like COD etc, i find you only really have fun if you're doing well. In Gears, I can spend a whole match just wanting to get a certain ribbon, or weapon skin or something or trying to do a particular kill type like grenade tagging or something :P Shotgun, whilst effective, is frankly probably just the most boring weapon.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I think the rolling-gnasher mentality of hardcore Gears players really hurts the multiplayer, and I am glad Epic finally addressed it by adding a counter weapon to piss those people off. Simple as that.

There are so many cool weapons and flanking people around cover is so fun, it's a huge bummer when 80% of the people in a match are just rolling around trying to get gnasher kills. If the SOS gets you and all of them to switch their game up, and make the multiplayer a more varied and interesting environment, instead of gnash-roll-gnash-roll, I'm all for it.

Which is exactly what happened to this little *****e. He was top dog, now he's back in the middle and he's EXTREMELY butt hurt over it. I come across his type all the time. I just laugh and prepare for the next round.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Seriously, changing subject now anyway otherwise it will never end...

So, with Cliffy B confirming the campaign DLC will not feature Marcus, Dom, Baird or Cole and WILL feature Barrick (the guy with the beard on the Season Pass background), who else do you think will be in? I'm hoping Jace, since he was in the original Delta squad with Barrick. Maybe Carmine as well? And would people rather some kinda side story to the campaign or something set decently before/after the actual main Gears 3 story?

Also, how long do you reckon it will be?

 

[Master Chief]

You know, the really funny thing is, people are *****ing and whining all over the internet, on both sides of the argument, about the bloody shotguns... Meanwhile, I'm just laughing through deathmatch games with the Retro :P I'm still really hoping that both sides admit defeat and Gears can become somewhat less about shotgunning. I mean, I would much rather chainsaw a dude or down them and execute (which I will always go out of my way for, simply because it's awesome) over getting a 'one shot'. I hate the whole K/D obssession mentality in gamers. For me, thats where I feel like games like COD have kinda ruined it a little. I love Gears because it's fun and that's the only reason I play it... In games like COD etc, i find you only really have fun if you're doing well. In Gears, I can spend a whole match just wanting to get a certain ribbon, or weapon skin or something or trying to do a particular kill type like grenade tagging or something :P Shotgun, whilst effective, is frankly probably just the most boring weapon.

Yeah, I don't even like using the shotgun and that's why I never played Gears or Gears 2 online. Here I actually stand a chance using the lancer, plus with the new dedicated servers it feels like a more balanced game. It just annoyed me that anyone could think the gun requires any kind of effort to use lmao, especially saying it's harder to use than the gnasher.

That said, I wish there were a cleaver somewhere in matchmaking. That has to be the best execution in the game.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

My defense of the sawed off in convo with you Master Chief is mainly I don't think it's easier than the gnasher, since I really do find both equally cheap and easy to use, just for different scenarios. I find SO easy to use if there are guys unawares standing together or I find Gnasher easy for shooting close range from cover... But seriously, up close, same dif... Both easy, one hit kills void of any skill or the awesomeness of instead ripping a guys arm off and beating him down with it :P


Also, has anyone else noticed that if one locust is doing his arm rip executions, other locusts can come up and kick the body while it's down? It looks so funny :P

Also, that cleaver execution is damn awesome... I still think the retro one is the most stylish, but they're all pretty damn brutal. Love the sawed off neck snap too, and the hammerburst bludgeon :P

 

[amazingfantasy15]

I'd say most if not everyone who took the time to get good with the gnasher only to have it made null and void by Epic just because they want to give bad players a chance to experience CQC.

Did you play online in GoW and 2? Do you play online now?

What's the point of paying $60 for a game if it just has the exact same features as the previous one? Don't worry just spend all weekend playing and I'm sure you'll find a way to counter the sawed off and be king of Gears again. A really good player would've already figured out a good counter.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Yeah, I don't even like using the shotgun and that's why I never played Gears or Gears 2 online. Here I actually stand a chance using the lancer, plus with the new dedicated servers it feels like a more balanced game. It just annoyed me that anyone could think the gun requires any kind of effort to use lmao, especially saying it's harder to use than the gnasher.

That said, I wish there were a cleaver somewhere in matchmaking. That has to be the best execution in the game.

Buts whats your definition of skill? Aiming? I was playing against this one dude the other day and i could not, for the life of me, bring him down. Every time i rolled up on him he was able to juke and dive out of my fire, regardless of the gun i had. Id spend so much time trying to bring him down than i ended up getting blasted in the back. He never really dropped me, he'd miss as he was rolling and what not, but i considered that dude mad skilled. He was tough to bring down.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

My defense of the sawed off in convo with you Master Chief is mainly I don't think it's easier than the gnasher, since I really do find both equally cheap and easy to use, just for different scenarios. I find SO easy to use if there are guys unawares standing together or I find Gnasher easy for shooting close range from cover... But seriously, up close, same dif... Both easy, one hit kills void of any skill or the awesomeness of instead ripping a guys arm off and beating him down with it :P


Also, has anyone else noticed that if one locust is doing his arm rip executions, other locusts can come up and kick the body while it's down? It looks so funny :P

Also, that cleaver execution is damn awesome... I still think the retro one is the most stylish, but they're all pretty damn brutal. Love the sawed off neck snap too, and the hammerburst bludgeon :P

Yea i love that Retro Ex. I haven't unlocked the SO one yet i dont think. Ill never get the Hammerbusrt as i never use that weapon.

 

[AxlsAppetite]

Shotguns are cheap. Period. In any game.

Anywho my favorite execution is the Scorcher's. That's what I call "overkill". The only thing that could make it better is if your charecter yelled out "Who wants toast!" while doing it.

 

[Scrandy Randy]

I think the rolling-gnasher mentality of hardcore Gears players really hurts the multiplayer, and I am glad Epic finally addressed it by adding a counter weapon to piss those people off. Simple as that.

So what you're saying is your mad that good players were good and wanted something put into the game to put the bad players on a level playing field with the bad players.

Okay.

Oh, well in that case I guess I'm a more skilled gnasher user than you. I have no problem getting one shots from a medium distance range with a fire from the hip. I've found Gnasher has always been the case with that, since the first Gears game. That's always been the trade off, right? Hip firing is less precise but does more damage, ADS does less damage but can be more focused and precise... Wait, that trade off sounds familiar.... Hmmmm

No all guns do the same damage whether hard aimed or blindfired. Only difference being the gnasher has a tighter spread hard aimed.

And if you go back a page, you were the first one pulling out crap about how skilled you were, "Look at mah K/D"

Like I said it was in response to people saying I was complaining about not being able to handle SOS users. Posting my KD and W/L was to prove the opposite.

Its not true for you, because obviously you can't deal with a moving opponent. If you miss with the SO, a good Gears player will drop you. Period.

You can keep repeating this but it's simply not true. You can run, get into cover, pillar hump, etc.

Which is exactly what happened to this little *****e. He was top dog, now he's back in the middle and he's EXTREMELY butt hurt over it. I come across his type all the time. I just laugh and prepare for the next round.

Once again im doing fine and dislike the gun purely for the fact that it has taken an acquired skill out of the game in favor of making bad players stick around.

Resorting to insults in an argument doesn't make you look smart.

 

[Scrandy Randy]

What's the point of paying $60 for a game if it just has the exact same features as the previous one?

Same exact features? Weapon skins, retro, beast mode, improved horde, dedicated servers, the list goes on.

This addition was purely so that bad players online wouldn't get frustrated and drop out back to whatever game they were playing before.

Don't worry just spend all weekend playing and I'm sure you'll find a way to counter the sawed off and be king of Gears again. A really good player would've already figured out a good counter.

Another insult.

Do I even need to respond to the "A really good player would've figured out a counter by now" argument? I feel like I have had to respond to it in every post
.

 

[StrainedEyes]

I'm just saying, the game isn't called Shotguns of War. And the fact that a lot of people, you included, roll shotty-only in multiplayer is dumb. It's a "skill" that Gears players perfected over the years, which really made the barrier of entry for new people annoyingly high. The SOS levels the field a little, but the Gnasher is still just as effective if you use it properly. So again, who gives a ****?

I'm sure you can hop back into Gears 2 and find matches full of people rolling around being all gnasher-elite.