The Dark Knight Rises Gordon: Ex-Commissioner?

[nickyg641]

With Batman on the run from the police, it's understandable that Gordon would not be as enthusiastic about chasing after a friend and a man he knows to be innocent as the city might like him to be.

Obviously, they can't go on BS'ing their way through the "investigation" as they had been for the past few months, so, I think it would be an interesting device if, under pressure from the citizens of Gotham to track down the Batman once and for all, Gordon is ousted as Commish and replaced.

Think TDKR, when Gordon is forced to step down and is replaced by Ellen Yindel, who tries to take down the Batman.

I could imagine scenarios where Gordon, now out-of-the-loop, continues his secret meetings with Batman, and maybe even has to break into headquarters to steal evidence that could reveal Bats' identiy.

 

[Darkknight14]

So he'd be a commissioner for all of....a week? a couple months? a year maybe? That just wouldn't work. Not only is it wayyyy out of canon from the comics, unless 25 years have passed between the dark knight and the sequel, then it's just...no. Gordon can just scam his way through, but even then, we know that by the end of the third one, Batman will be the hero again in everyone's eyes.

 

[spideyman101]

I am in total agreement with this idea. How about Rupert Thorne replaces him as well as the Mayor by sending in agents (possibly Scarecrow) to kill Garcia. Then pull some strings to get Mayor Hill in. Then pull some strings to get Gordon out of Commissioner office. Eventually he proves Batman's innocence and gets back on the force.

 

[nickyg641]

So he'd be a commissioner for all of....a week? a couple months? a year maybe? That just wouldn't work. Not only is it wayyyy out of canon from the comics, unless 25 years have passed between the dark knight and the sequel, then it's just...no. Gordon can just scam his way through, but even then, we know that by the end of the third one, Batman will be the hero again in everyone's eyes.

The same as BB to TDK, around a year.

And don't give me BS about comics precedent. I don't recall the Joker wearing makeup, Harvey Dent tumbling to his death, or a character named Rachel Dawes existing in the comics.

Its not as if I'm proposing we never see Gordon again. He'd be restored back to commissioner by the end of the film, obviously.

 

[CFE]

Gordon refusing to be a part of bringing Batman to justice is hardly 'out of canon' or 'out of character.'

But given the circumstances of this instance, I see Gordon leading the manhunt publicly while privately aiding Batman in continuing his fight on crime/ privately aiding Batman in thwarting his own department's attempts to catch him.

What would be really interesting is to see how Gordon would get out of the situation of his potential aiding of Batman being discovered by the other Police and/or Government officials.

Clearly, there are SEVERAL directions the 3rd film can take. It'll be intriguing to see which ones are utilized.

CFE

 

[Hole Shot]

With Batman on the run from the police, it's understandable that Gordon would not be as enthusiastic about chasing after a friend and a man he knows to be innocent as the city might like him to be.

OK.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHY BATMAN TOOK THE FALL FOR HARVEY! Because the guy in charge of capturing Batman is his ally and knows the truth.

Batman is not going to be out to clear his name, he wants his enemies to believe he's willing to take lives. After he dropped Maroni and when he was in the interrogation room with Joker they both knew he had his "rules" and wouldn't take lives. He had a look of shock on his face when Maroni basically said he wasn't afraid of him because he knew he wasn't going to kill him. Those moments tie into the end when he says "I could have killed those people."

He wants to known as a killer, he wants to feared as a killer. Because at the end of the day, all that matters to him is what he actually does, not what the public perception of him.

Batman is going to always be on the run from the cops regardless, he's an illegal vigilante. It's just a matter of how pro-active the cops are going to be in apprehending him. The only difference in his relationship with the cops is that him and Gordon's communications and meetings will have to be much more secretive than on the roof of GPD.

 

[BatJeff7786]

OK.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHY BATMAN TOOK THE FALL FOR HARVEY! Because the guy in charge of capturing Batman is his ally and knows the truth.

Batman is not going to be out to clear his name, he wants his enemies to believe he's willing to take lives. After he dropped Maroni and when he was in the interrogation room with Joker they both knew he had his "rules" and wouldn't take lives. He had a look of shock on his face when Maroni basically said he wasn't afraid of him because he knew he wasn't going to kill him. Those moments tie into the end when he says "I could have killed those people."

He wants to known as a killer, he wants to feared as a killer. Because at the end of the day, all that matters to him is what he actually does, not what the public perception of him.

Batman is going to always be on the run from the cops regardless, he's an illegal vigilante. It's just a matter of how pro-active the cops are going to be in apprehending him. The only difference in his relationship with the cops is that him and Gordon's communications and meetings will have to be much more secretive than on the roof of GPD.

That's not necessarily true. Bruce sees Batman as a symbol for justice, and wants to inspire people to do good. But there comes a time when the symbol must be turned over, which is what happens in TDK. He DOES care, but he knows that it's for the greater good.

 

[Ethermatic]

OK.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHY BATMAN TOOK THE FALL FOR HARVEY! Because the guy in charge of capturing Batman is his ally and knows the truth.

Batman is not going to be out to clear his name, he wants his enemies to believe he's willing to take lives. After he dropped Maroni and when he was in the interrogation room with Joker they both knew he had his "rules" and wouldn't take lives. He had a look of shock on his face when Maroni basically said he wasn't afraid of him because he knew he wasn't going to kill him. Those moments tie into the end when he says "I could have killed those people."

He wants to known as a killer, he wants to feared as a killer. Because at the end of the day, all that matters to him is what he actually does, not what the public perception of him.

Batman is going to always be on the run from the cops regardless, he's an illegal vigilante. It's just a matter of how pro-active the cops are going to be in apprehending him. The only difference in his relationship with the cops is that him and Gordon's communications and meetings will have to be much more secretive than on the roof of GPD.

Actually, Batman says, "I killed those people."

You're implying that he wants to be feared as a killer and that's just not true. He's not taking the credit for Two-Face's crimes for street credibility or his reputation. He's doing it to save Harvey's. If the criminals fear that Batman might kill them, that's merely a side effect to Batman's true intentions.

As for Gordon, I think it's pretty clear that with him remaining as Commissioner, Batman will stay one step ahead. That was the point of him saying -- "You'll hunt me."

 

[Hole Shot]

You're implying that he wants to be feared as a killer and that's just not true. He's not taking the credit for Two-Face's crimes for street credibility or his reputation. He's doing it to save Harvey's. If the criminals fear that Batman might kill them, that's merely a side effect to Batman's true intentions.

It's a mix of both in my opinion. And I don't think it just happens to be a side effect because it was plainly obvious that they hammered this theme that some criminals weren't taking him as serious because of this rule.

That's not necessarily true. Bruce sees Batman as a symbol for justice, and wants to inspire people to do good. But there comes a time when the symbol must be turned over, which is what happens in TDK. He DOES care, but he knows that it's for the greater good.

When Batman "began" yes that was his original intention, but now he knows he is whatever Gotham needs him to be.

 

[markstrange]

OK.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHY BATMAN TOOK THE FALL FOR HARVEY! Because the guy in charge of capturing Batman is his ally and knows the truth.

Batman is not going to be out to clear his name, he wants his enemies to believe he's willing to take lives. After he dropped Maroni and when he was in the interrogation room with Joker they both knew he had his "rules" and wouldn't take lives. He had a look of shock on his face when Maroni basically said he wasn't afraid of him because he knew he wasn't going to kill him. Those moments tie into the end when he says "I could have killed those people."

He wants to known as a killer, he wants to feared as a killer. Because at the end of the day, all that matters to him is what he actually does, not what the public perception of him.

Batman is going to always be on the run from the cops regardless, he's an illegal vigilante. It's just a matter of how pro-active the cops are going to be in apprehending him. The only difference in his relationship with the cops is that him and Gordon's communications and meetings will have to be much more secretive than on the roof of GPD.

I agree with this, to a point. He does care that it has to be this way, if he could he probably fly around in a cape like superman and be Goody two-shoes. But he knows that isn't realistic...That isn't an option. BTW: I'm not implying batman can fly, lol, I'm saying Quite the opposite. Hes just a man and he knows it.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/goody-two-shoes.html

 

[nickyg641]

But, the thing is, Gordon doesn't want to catch Batman. And Batman doesn't want to be caught. Gordon can't BS his way through the investigation anymore. He has to actually look like he's doing something, or else there's going to be a lot of unrest in the citizens of Gotham.

I'm saying that, if that happens, just as the people of Gotham wanted Batman to step out and reveal himself, if something doesn't happen soon, they're not going to want an ineffective police commssioner around anymore. This puts the mayor in an awkard position. I seem to remember him saying something about being relected, and, if he wants that to happen, it doesn't seem out of the question that he'd do something rash like bringing in a new commish (it's not like Gordon would just step down.)

 

[Doc Samson]

I personally wanna just see what happens if Gordon happens to confront Batman while he has other police around, it'll be interesting to see how he plays that off, should the situation arise

 

[BatJeff7786]

It's a mix of both in my opinion. And I don't think it just happens to be a side effect because it was plainly obvious that they hammered this theme that some criminals weren't taking him as serious because of this rule.




When Batman "began" yes that was his original intention, but now he knows he is whatever Gotham needs him to be.

That's....pretty much what I said. Or at least I thought I did.

 

[wootbaby]

It's a mix of both in my opinion. And I don't think it just happens to be a side effect because it was plainly obvious that they hammered this theme that some criminals weren't taking him as serious because of this rule.

When Batman "began" yes that was his original intention, but now he knows he is whatever Gotham needs him to be.

He's still fixated with providing a symbol for Gotham. But he doesn't need to be the symbol himself any longer because Harvey is a better symbol.

The central theme in all of Batman's comics going back to the Kane days is FEAR. Criminals must fear Batman as the embodiment of dark justice that's the most important element of all Batman mythos. But it's not a cornerstone of his crimefighting that criminals must think Batman will kill them... nor is that something that Batman would ever fixate on. But they must fear him, and Batman would find ways to make them fear him under any circumstance. In the books Batman is able to find ways to inflict massive pain and emotional torment to terrorize thugs without killing anyone.

Now does he care that criminals now think Batman is willing to kill them? Probably not, but it's not something he would fixate on either way.

 

[Hole Shot]

The central theme in all of Batman's comics going back to the Kane days is FEAR.

1 - We're not talking about the comics, we're talking about what's been established in the films.

2 - Fear is Batman's central theme, but The Dark Knight was about as subtle as a jackhammer in sending the message that his abiliity to strike fear in criminals had gone stale as they became aware that he wouldn't take their lives.

 

[Lemenbolle]

I personally wanna just see what happens if Gordon happens to confront Batman while he has other police around, it'll be interesting to see how he plays that off, should the situation arise

Agreed...Will they unmask him? For instance..

 

[General_Obol]

Yeah Gordon might not be enthusiastic about it, but I think he has enough of a sense of justice to realize that hunting Batman is best for Gotham. However, he could somehow sabotage some of the GPD's efforts. Like give them data he just made up. Or something. Which is why I think it would be great to include someone like Bullock to provide a contrast to Gordon.