Gotham Gotham Season 2 ratings thread

[Wildcard]

Nah, the show just needs Jerome. He's a certified ratings booster. And now that's coming back, for every episode he's in I can almost guarantee the ratings will adjust far higher than what they've been.

It's happened every time he's been on-screen thus far, so I can definitely see history repeating itself. With him coming back, the show will be just fine.

The powers that be know this, hence why he's back in season 3 instead of season 4 like they initially iterated.

 

[JackRackum]

Gotham adjusted down from a 1.1 to a 1.0 in the finals
Lucifer dropped from 1.2 to 1.1.
Supergirl remained steady at 1.1

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/monday-final-ratings-nov-28-2016/

Supergirl benefited from false advertising, and I think that hurt Gotham's ratings.

 

[JackRackum]

Nah, the show just needs Jerome. He's a certified ratings booster. And now that's coming back, for every episode he's in I can almost guarantee the ratings will adjust far higher than what they've been.

It's happened every time he's been on-screen thus far, so I can definitely see history repeating itself. With him coming back, the show will be just fine.

The powers that be know this, hence why he's back in season 3 instead of season 4 like they initially iterated.

How is that a good thing? The show should thrive for more than just a single character with no depth.

I was hoping they'd keep Jerome out of the show for a good long while.

 

[Ozbridge]

Gotham adjusted down from a 1.1 to a 1.0 in the finals
Lucifer dropped from 1.2 to 1.1.
Supergirl remained steady at 1.1

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/monday-final-ratings-nov-28-2016/

Yeah Fox was preempted in Green Bay I think. Thankfully still not fractional.

How is that a good thing? The show should thrive for more than just a single character with no depth.

I was hoping they'd keep Jerome out of the show for a good long while.

True. I think Jerome will return for the next 3 Winter episodes only, then in Spring they will focus back of the Court of Owl.

Remember the really positive reaction of Jerome in Season 1? They brought him back in season 2 and killed him within 3 episodes, and he almost disappeared for the rest of the season and the first half of season 3.

Like I get it if showrunner wants to please fans and bring back fan favorite occasionally, but I'm an advocate of writers writing first and foremost for themselves, not for the fans. It will probably hurt the show in terms of ratings, but the writers know it and make the decisions of sacrificing ratings to create what they want, and I fully support that decision (yes, even if they want to bring back Fish Mooney and never bring back Jerome, I still support it; I always have the mindset that the writers don't write the show for me, they write it for themselves).

 

[Wildcard]

How is that a good thing? The show should thrive for more than just a single character with no depth.

I was hoping they'd keep Jerome out of the show for a good long while.

How is it a good thing? Because he causes the ratings to rise when he's involved? And you're seriously asking how that's a good thing?

 

[kguillou]

Call me crazy but....I think Gotham should just go for it and make Jerome The full fledged Joker. Yes, people will complain but Jerome is already pretty much embodying the character already. In fact, I think Gotham should just go for broke and bring in more full fledged villains like they did with Mr Freeze last season and they ended up doing that very well. Yes, theres no Batman and it wont make much sense but I say just embrace this as an other worlds "what if?" kind of world where all these villains popped up before the arrival of Batman. It'll give the show more of a Gotham Central vibe.

 

[JackRackum]

How is it a good thing? Because he causes the ratings to rise when he's involved? And you're seriously asking how that's a good thing?

That's known as a gimmick. I'm far more interested in what benefit he brings to the story.

 

[Arachnerd]

Call me crazy but....I think Gotham should just go for it and make Jerome The full fledged Joker. Yes, people will complain but Jerome is already pretty much embodying the character already. In fact, I think Gotham should just go for broke and bring in more full fledged villains like they did with Mr Freeze last season and they ended up doing that very well. Yes, theres no Batman and it wont make much sense but I say just embrace this as an other worlds "what if?" kind of world where all these villains popped up before the arrival of Batman. It'll give the show more of a Gotham Central vibe.

Actually I fully support this. For two reasons.

The first one is that originally they were gonna have all these Joker red herrings starting with season 1. Problem is, they struck gold with Cameron Monaghan who was pretty much perfect. Too perfect, to the point that finding someone else to play the actual Joker would be incredibly disappointing to a lot of people or just finding someone that isn't as good as him, hence why people complained about him being killed off in The Last Laugh.

The creators realized that offing Jerome that soon was a mistake, so I'm glad they're bringing him back, and from the deleted leaked pics Cameron posted on his Instagram, it looks like they're really going the Joker route with him.

Second, Gotham has pretty much become an alternate universe retelling of Batman rather than being a canon origin. We've got introduced to quite the few Bat villains already, Barbara has gone completely cuckoo, Penguin is in love with Nygma, Maroni is dead and Bruce still isn't Batman (for good reason). At this point, and in my opinion, it would not be so far-fetched to just outright make him the Joker.

Whatever happens, I just don't hope they don't kill him off yet again like they did with Galavan/Azrael.

 

[Greenlite]

Whatever happens, I just don't hope they don't kill him off yet again like they did with Galavan/Azrael.

and her as well

IsabeLLA!!!

 

[Wildcard]

Considering he carries more importance than them, I doubt they'll make that mistake again. Then again, this is Gotham we're talking about...

 

[Arachnerd]

Killing off Jerome again and not have him as recurring villain from now on would be the show's suicide.

 

[Kathemy]

Well, ratings are in...

First two episodes of the second arc scored 1.2, and the Winter finale, arguably the most hyped episode ever of Gotham, incredibly dropped to a 1.1.

This is starting to feel hopeless. Reality TV contests have their finales and sure enough, ratings rise. The stupid CW shows have their crossovers and sure enough, ratings rise. Most shows can hire a famous guest star and sure enough, ratings rise. Gotham seems to lack any weapon to use to pull in viewers. At this point I almost wonder if even promoting an episode featuring BATMAN would bring in viewers.

Cameron Monaghan appearing as the Joker seems to have had no discernible effect on the show's ratings. None.

Note that I'm not saying the sky is falling. I'm not saying we won't get a fourth season. Fifth, though? Sixth? And this is a show that needs those seasons to tell a complete story.

 

[Ozbridge]

Cameron Monaghan appearing as the Joker seems to have had no discernible effect on the show's ratings. None.

Well at least this proves that you've always been right that the Joker doesn't bring in audience

I actually think that the first 2 episodes both got 1.2 is a feat already, and it can probably be explained by Jerome's return (Gotham was trending in the first episode, and the same number of people return for the 2nd episode). The fact that ratings drop in the 3rd can be because people watched the 2nd one and didn't like it (gasp!).

 

[Kathemy]

But... episodes 8 and 9 scored a 1.2 too. Nobody called that a "feat." There's no way to discern if Cameron's appearance helped at all. It simply looks as if the internet "hype" didn't budge the ratings at all.

 

[Mocha]

Do you think the ratings were down because something else was going on too? Other shows in the time period were down too. Whatever it was it did affect the ratings for other shows too.

 

[Kathemy]

I really don't know what it had to compete with. I'm not American - I'm not in the know on things like that. I know that the previous low, being Gotham's Fall finale (end of the first arc), had the CW crossover to contend with and seemed to hurt from it.

Any information welcome.

 

[Mocha]

Maybe people were out protesting.

 

[famicommander]

Well, ratings are in...

First two episodes of the second arc scored 1.2, and the Winter finale, arguably the most hyped episode ever of Gotham, incredibly dropped to a 1.1.

This is starting to feel hopeless. Reality TV contests have their finales and sure enough, ratings rise. The stupid CW shows have their crossovers and sure enough, ratings rise. Most shows can hire a famous guest star and sure enough, ratings rise. Gotham seems to lack any weapon to use to pull in viewers. At this point I almost wonder if even promoting an episode featuring BATMAN would bring in viewers.

Cameron Monaghan appearing as the Joker seems to have had no discernible effect on the show's ratings. None.

Note that I'm not saying the sky is falling. I'm not saying we won't get a fourth season. Fifth, though? Sixth? And this is a show that needs those seasons to tell a complete story.

Even if they promoted a Batman appearance, I think a lot of people (myself included) have lost interest in the concept of Batman in this show. Whatever you or I think its strengths or faults are, the public just doesn't want it.

I've never been a fan but as far as more seasons after the fourth go, I'd say it's probably still in good shape because of how awful Fox's drama situation is right now.

Fox dramas average ratings this year (so far)
Empire: 3.19
Lethal Weapon: 1.67
Star: 1.50
Gotham: 1.14
Lucifer: 1.10
Bones: 0.86 (ending)
Pitch: 0.83
Rosewood: 0.72
The Exorcist: 0.68
Scream Queens: 0.61
Sleepy Hollow: 0.56

That, friends, is what we call a "dumpster fire"

Out of simple necessity, they'll need to hang onto Gotham and Lucifer. Even if they have a successful spring season and a successful 2017 fall with the new shows, they're going to need reliable veterans to pair them with.

Interestingly, Lucifer has been holding up really well of late. It has increased in the unrounded final ratings for four straight episodes and seven of the last eight.

Adjusted for timeslot, it's actually stronger than Star or Gotham right now
http://www.spottedratings.com/2016/10/fox-daily-renewology-for-2016-17.html

I wouldn't be surprised to see them swap Lucifer and Gotham next season.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Live+Same Day to Live+7 Days increase for broadcast networks comic book based shows January 30th to February 5th.
18-49 demo/total viewers in millions.
Percent increases.

Arrow
0.6/1.915 to 1.1/2.990
83%/56%

DC's Legends of Tomorrow
0.7/1.776 to 1.2/2.963
71%/67%

Gotham
1.1/3.431 to 1.8/5.095
64%/47%

Lucifer
1.2/4.187 to 1.9/6.196
58%/48%

Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
0.6/2.153 to 1.5/4.234
150%/97%

Riverdale
0.4/1.151 to 0.8/1.907
100%/66%

Supergirl
0.7/2.348 million to 1.2/3.745 million.
Increase 71%/59%

The Flash
1.1/3.063 to 1.8/4.705
64%/54%

 

[Kathemy]

Because of the incessant handwringing about this show's renewal lately, I strongly, strongly advice you to read the following. No, I mean it, really do read it.

Six scripted broadcast shows (black-ish, Madam Secretary, Scorpion, NCIS:New Orleans, Jane The Virgin and The Flash) are guaranteed to be renewed for a season four in 2017-18.

Why?

Each of those shows finished their second seasons with at least 44 episodes, and should have a full season of 22 episodes in their third seasons to finish with at least 66 episodes after three seasons (JtV will have 20 for a total of 64, close enough). All of them are also produced by their network’s own studio.

That leads to the following guarantee:

The Guarantee of The Syndication Gods
No show produced by a network’s own studio in the past nine seasons that finished its third season with at least 66 episodes has failed to be renewed for a fourth season.

What about Gotham?

Gotham finished its second season with 44 episodes, and will reach 66 at the end of this season, why isn’t its season four renewal just as certain? Because Gotham is produced by Warner Brothers and not Fox. In cases like this, there’s a second rule the reaper follows…

The Very Strong Suggestion Of The Syndication Gods
A show that finishes its third season with at least 66 episodes, but isn’t produced by the network’s own studio, is very likely but not certain to be renewed for a fourth season. If canceled, it’s very likely to get a fourth season elsewhere.

Note: The only show to complete 3 seasons and 66 episodes and be canceled in the last nine seasons (The Mindy Project, produced by NBCU) was picked up by Hulu after being canceled by Fox. Others (like Cougar Town) to finish three seasons with fewer than 66 were also picked up elsewhere.

http://www.tvgrimreaper.com/2016/09...rgin-theflash-are-certain-to-be-renewed/1933/

You can say whatever you want about TVG but these statistics do not lie.

 

[famicommander]

Gotham will be back. That's been a sure thing all along.

What's less sure:
-will it be on Fox? Probably, but there's the off chance they axe it and it ends up on Hulu, CW, or some other WB affiliate to get that fourth season.
-how many episodes? Likely 22 to get to the 88 mark, but there's a chance that it ends up with a smaller season.
-will season four be the last one? At this point I'm thinking it may be. There are signs that Fox may not like the high license fee for the returns the show brings in the ratings. If Fox has a good freshman drama crop next season Gotham could very well wrap up.

 

[ElizabethPotter]

Veronica Mars says Hi.

 

[Kathemy]

Yes, that's why the quoted text says "the last nine seasons", and even then Veronica Mars started airing on UPN, which was basically a nothing network.

 

[ElizabethPotter]

My Bad.

 

[Kathemy]

-will it be on Fox? Probably, but there's the off chance they axe it and it ends up on Hulu, CW, or some other WB affiliate to get that fourth season.

Given the state of FOX I can see no way it doesn't return to that network for the fourth season. You also have to account for the fact that bumping it to another network would be very bad PR for the show, meaning bad business for WB. They would probably agree to cut the license fee to avoid that.

As I have stated earlier I believe this is why the wait. FOX will want the best deal possible.