Green Lantern Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

[Energist]

Coulson had a sizable role.

I'm not referring to his screen time, I'm referring to whether his time on screen feels organic to the film or not. Black Widow and Nick Fury's inclusion in Iron Man 2 is hardly small, but it came across as somewhat forced to me, which happened to drag down my overall opinion of that film (despite my love for the Black Widow and Scarlett Johansson both).

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I'm not referring to his screen time, I'm referring to whether his time on screen feels organic to the film or not. Black Widow and Nick Fury's inclusion in Iron Man 2 is hardly small, but it came across as somewhat forced to me, which happened to drag down my overall opinion of that film (despite my love for the Black Widow and Scarlett Johansson both).

It does. Thor meshes the SHIELD/Avengers stuff really well. Except the Hawkeye cameo.

 

[Docker2.0]

If you tied GL to TDK/TDKR...it's be an insult to TDK/TDKR. If one of these films exists in its own universe with no connection to others, and is actually good, then let it do its own thing. Leave it up to the filmmakers whether or not they want to tie it in with another one. If a marketing agenda supersedes the emphasis on making it a good film first and foremost...rarely will it achieve that agenda....because it can adversely affect the film's quality.

The success of DC's or anyone's superhero movies doesn't depend on whether they team up or not. It depends solely on how good they are as individual movies, whether they team up or not. So let those who make the films decide on that.

Keep telling yourself that. You may be right, they shouldn't depend on the success of others but it definetly helps, especially with a character like GL. If it was Supes or Bats, then I'd say let them stand alone but it's not. Again, I honestly believe Thor benefited from the Ironman cameo just like I think Cap will as well.

 

[jmc]

I think you're over estimating the cameos given the majority of people don't stick around for the credits.

 

[Red Mask]

You really think WB is going to push Nolan around to get some completely unnecessary easter eggs to the broader DC universe?

Warner Bros has proved time and time again that they are completely useless without Nolan.

Catwoman - sucked
Jonah Hex - sucked
Green Lantern - sucked
Superman Returns - sucked
Batman Begins - awesome
The Dark Knight - awesome

It's best WB leave Nolan alone so he can do what he does best, make great movies and make them a lot of money.

Why do people always forget the worst of the lot? Steel (1997), starring Shaq.

 

[Energist]

I think you're over estimating the cameos given the majority of people don't stick around for the credits.

And as I pointed out on another board several weeks ago, you would be assaulting the basic logic of a lot of movie-goers if you suggested that Superman existed in the same universe as Green Lantern. If such were indicated, the logical response from many viewers would have been, "Why isn't Superman helping defeat that giant blob thing that's trying to destroy the Earth?"

 

[akfj]

Why do people always forget the worst of the lot? Steel (1997), starring Shaq.

Because they choose to.

 

[KalMart]

Keep telling yourself that. You may be right, they shouldn't depend on the success of others but it definetly helps, especially with a character like GL. If it was Supes or Bats, then I'd say let them stand alone but it's not. Again, I honestly believe Thor benefited from the Ironman cameo just like I think Cap will as well.

If GL can't make a strong standing on his own, he doesn't deserve to even dream about hangin' with Bats. Sorry if WB's not offering to wipe GL's nose after a whoopin', but try actually being as good a movie as Thor first, then we'll see about the handouts.

Iron Man wasn't exactly considered an A-lister of a superhero...but they had no problem establishing him as an A-list movie franchise with barely a whiff of anything Avengers that most moviegoers could really pick up on in the first movie. If he didn't need the help, why should GL? And if he really does need that help....maybe he doesn't deserve a solo film to begin with.

 

[jmc]

And as I pointed out on another board several weeks ago, you would be assaulting the basic logic of a lot of movie-goers if you suggested that Superman existed in the same universe as Green Lantern. If such were indicated, the logical response from many viewers would have been, "Why isn't Superman helping defeat that giant blob thing that's trying to destroy the Earth?"

That's going to be an interesting dilemma for Marvel to overcome post Avengers, after that comes out the solo films are going to have a tough time explaining why character-x doesn't just come in and help, Thor has a bit of an advantage given there's other realms in which his movies can take place.

If GL can't make a strong standing on his own, he doesn't deserve to even dream about hangin' with Bats. Sorry if WB's not offering to wipe GL's nose after a whoopin', but try actually being as good a movie as Thor first, then we'll see about the handouts.

Iron Man wasn't exactly considered an A-lister of a superhero...but they had no problem establishing him as an A-list movie franchise with barely a whiff of anything Avengers that most moviegoers could really pick up on in the first movie. If he didn't need the help, why should GL? And if he really does need that help....maybe he doesn't deserve a solo film to begin with.

Yeah, too many are relating the 'interconnected universe' with success. IM worked because it was a good film, contrary what some like to think there wasn't this big plan for a single universe series prior, that came about as a result of IM, at best they may have had the idea penciled in. Solo universe works just as well, if not better because of the freedom it gives you, but at the end of the day it's all in the execution.

 

[DarKush]

And as I pointed out on another board several weeks ago, you would be assaulting the basic logic of a lot of movie-goers if you suggested that Superman existed in the same universe as Green Lantern. If such were indicated, the logical response from many viewers would have been, "Why isn't Superman helping defeat that giant blob thing that's trying to destroy the Earth?"

Well, one could make similar arguments with the Marvel films. I mean, where was Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, or even Hawkeye, while the Destroyer was wreaking havoc in Thor? I don't think it's that much of a deal breaker. Just like in the individual comics, we can accept them having solo adventures and group adventures in the team comics. I think the benefits of a shared universe outweigh the negatives. And I think fans would be thrilled to see all these heroes interact and take on a really big threat.

 

[Metallo]

Why do people always forget the worst of the lot? Steel (1997), starring Shaq.

I think some people are only talking of the post 2000 DC based films. that seems to be the divide and after that its sort of a new era.

I just wonder why some people forget to rank Constantine.

 

[Metallo]

Well, one could make similar arguments with the Marvel films. I mean, where was Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, or even Hawkeye, while the Destroyer was wreaking havoc in Thor? I don't think it's that much of a deal breaker. Just like in the individual comics, we can accept them having solo adventures and group adventures in the team comics. I think the benefits of a shared universe outweigh the negatives. And I think fans would be thrilled to see all these heroes interact and take on a really big threat.

I think the foundation for a shared universe can be done without making it overcomplicated like what Marvel is doing with the Avengers related films. Sometimes it can just be a passing reference like the quick mention of Gotham in Superman Returns or Bruce Wayne talking about Metropolis in Batman Forever.

Not particular intrusive but it lays a foundation for something that COULD be done in the future. I didn't think those mentions ruined the particular movies myself.

Stuff like that doesn't mean seeing Green Lantern in a Superman movie or vice versa.

 

[chamber-music]

I think some people are only talking of the post 2000 DC based films. that seems to be the divide and after that its sort of a new era.

I just wonder why some people forget to rank Constantine.

Constantine was ok movie but its not like the comics very much. The fact he doesn't have as large a fanbase as say Batman meant they could change alot of stuff and not be too worried about a backlash.

 

[jmc]

Well, one could make similar arguments with the Marvel films. I mean, where was Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, or even Hawkeye, while the Destroyer was wreaking havoc in Thor? I don't think it's that much of a deal breaker. Just like in the individual comics, we can accept them having solo adventures and group adventures in the team comics. I think the benefits of a shared universe outweigh the negatives. And I think fans would be thrilled to see all these heroes interact and take on a really big threat.

Well to answer the Destroyer thing it lasted all of a few minutes which would be hardly enough time for Stark to do anything. The thing is post Avengers when all the character know each other the question is going to be 'Why don't they just get 'insert character' to help?' We give free passes to certain aspects in comics, film is a different beast, adding 3 dimensions changes everything.

 

[BlueLantern]

I think it's not down to Chris Nolan as much as down to the fact that besides Batman there's no hero that Warners seem adept at getting right. Primarily because they don't know how to tell the **** from the sugar.

 

[wobbly]

Well to answer the Destroyer thing it lasted all of a few minutes which would be hardly enough time for Stark to do anything. The thing is post Avengers when all the character know each other the question is going to be 'Why don't they just get 'insert character' to help?' We give free passes to certain aspects in comics, film is a different beast, adding 3 dimensions changes everything.

It's not problematic really. I mean 'Supergirl' got round Superman's absence there with just one line of dialogue (iirc it was something about him being on a diplomatic mission off planet).

With Marvels films locations for each character helps as well: Tony is based on the West Coast, Cap & Hulk will (presumably) be based around the East Coast/New York, Thor will be based wherever he wants, and Hawkeye & the Widow are agents based wherever Shield needs them at any given time.

Not a big ask of the audience to just assume the other guys are busy in their own locale for each respective solo film. It's not like the books where nearly all of them are based in NY.

 

[Docker2.0]

Agreed Wobbly. Also when Hulk goes on those rampages, why didn't IronMan intervene instead of going to the general about his "problem?" Linking the universies together is a good thing and a Superman and Batman link to GL would have helped it, it definetly wouldn't have hurt it.

Also one last argument about why they didn't help: they were probably busy at the time. Ironman2 took place around the same time as the Hulk and Thor took place so they were busy doing their own thing. Same thing could be said of TDK and MOS. I'm just saying a JLA movie is going to look pretty crazy introducing like 5 new characters. They should build up like Marvel is doing.

 

[merced]

From Deadline

Deadline update - little change from their update on Saturday. GL weekend estimate paired back by 500,000. *** by Monday will be 104.5M instead of 105M

6 Green Lantern (Warner Bros) Week 3 [3,280 Theaters]
Friday $1.9M, Saturday $2.7M, Sunday, Monday
Three-Day Weekend $7M, Four-Day Holiday $8.7M, Cume $104.5M

I was hoping GL would hit 125 million domestic. It still can I guess but it looks like 120 million is a more realistic expectation.

 

[Docker2.0]

My local comic book guy says this movie is not a bomb. Dude is so in denial it's not even funny!

 

[DaveMoral]

And as I pointed out on another board several weeks ago, you would be assaulting the basic logic of a lot of movie-goers if you suggested that Superman existed in the same universe as Green Lantern. If such were indicated, the logical response from many viewers would have been, "Why isn't Superman helping defeat that giant blob thing that's trying to destroy the Earth?"

At the end of the day Superman would be powerless against Parallax. He's got limitations that a GL doesn't, and he's got his own things to take care of mostly likely concurrently with whatever any other hero is doing.

More over, if a shared universe can be sold to the general audience then there is a built in explanation... there's so much going on in this world that Superman is busy saving the day elsewhere while GL is taking down attackers from space, and Batman is beating up psychopaths in Gotham.

Why would the general audience ask questions comic readers don't? I'm not convinced that the average person's intrinsic response to such things is any different than a comic reader's. Most folks would tend to take for granted that there are enough villains and problems to go around that not any one single superhero needs to take on everything. Much less Superman, whose powers lay mostly in being really strong and fast... none of which are guaranteed to help him against the power of fear itself.

If a good GL film just had a mention of Metropolis within it that would not provoke people to think "why doesn't Superman fight the big blob monster" it would just be part of the overall equation and he's likely got something of his own going on. And as far as film goes, anyway, Superman has never been show to be in the league that GL is shown in this movie. He's either fighting people like himself, or thwarting land baron schemes and stopping missiles. Not giant monsters that threaten to consume the very souls of everyone on Earth.

 

[merced]

BOM's numbers are a little different from Deadline's.

According to Deadline GL hit 100 million on Saturday. BOM says it fell slightly short and will hit 100 million today.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

This is a terrible flop another +60% drop...

 

[wobbly]

Deadline update - little change from their update on Saturday. GL weekend estimate paired back by 500,000. *** by Monday will be 104.5M instead of 105M

6 Green Lantern (Warner Bros) Week 3 [3,280 Theaters]
Friday $1.9M, Saturday $2.7M, Sunday, Monday
Three-Day Weekend $7M, Four-Day Holiday $8.7M, Cume $104.5M

I was hoping GL would hit 125 million domestic. It still can I guess but it looks like 120 million is a more realistic expectation.

Looks like 120m domestic is about the best they can hope for. It's performing a bit worse than FF2 with steeper drops so I can't see it getting past that really.

 

[The Sage]

Agreed Wobbly. Also when Hulk goes on those rampages, why didn't IronMan intervene instead of going to the general about his "problem?" Linking the universies together is a good thing and a Superman and Batman link to GL would have helped it, it definetly wouldn't have hurt it.

Also one last argument about why they didn't help: they were probably busy at the time. Ironman2 took place around the same time as the Hulk and Thor took place so they were busy doing their own thing. Same thing could be said of TDK and MOS. I'm just saying a JLA movie is going to look pretty crazy introducing like 5 new characters. They should build up like Marvel is doing.

Meh, forget that. I'd rather each character get their own story and continuity. Figure out how to unite them for a JLA movie when they decide to do it.

Nolan doesn't have to worry about adhering to a shared universe, and no one else should.

 

[merced]

Looks like 120m domestic is about the best they can hope for. It's performing a bit worse than FF2 with steeper drops so I can't see it getting past that really.

Yeah. I'm thinking 120 million domestic and fingers crossed 130 million foreign. 250 million total. WB scaled back their optimism and said they'd be happy with 350 million WW but it's not coming anywhere near that.

A tale of 2 studios and 2 franchises:

Disney's Pirates passed the 1 billion mark Saturday. One of only 7 films now to reach that number.

WB's GL hits the 100 million mark today and looks to make 250 million WW which won't even cover the production costs of the film. Add in the 100 million in marketing and yikes!