Gymrats & Stalkers: "I Was Assaulted In A Public Restroom"

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

If you are straight, you don't choose who you are physically attracted to. How is that any different with homosexuals?

Being attracted to the opposite sex is natural, and serves a biological purpose. We are supposed to be physically attracted to the opposite sex.

Being attracted to the same sex would be detrimental to the species if it were ingrained within our instincts, but it's not. Being attracted to the opposite sex is ingrained into our instincts.

 

[Charlie No-One]

I don't want to derail the thread so I am not going to start an argument, but I strongly disagree with and find the logic a bit ridiculous especially with recent research stating that gay men have more estrogen in their bodies than straight men do and the reverse for gay and straight women. I don't think it is as simple as a choice, matter of fact, I think it is impossible logic to have that stance.

 

[-Arya-]

I don't want to derail the thread so I am not going to start an argument, but I strongly disagree with and find the logic a bit ridiculous especially with recent research stating that gay men have more estrogen in their bodies than straight men do and the reverse for gay and straight women. I don't think it is as simple as a choice, matter of fact, I think it is impossible logic to have that stance.

Precisely....

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't want to derail the thread so I am not going to start an argument, but I strongly disagree with and find the logic a bit ridiculous especially with recent research stating that gay men have more estrogen in their bodies than straight men do and the reverse for gay and straight women. I don't think it is as simple as a choice, matter of fact, I think it is impossible logic to have that stance.

Then I repeat:

The gay people I know must be faking it then.

 

[Charlie No-One]

Then I repeat:

The gay people I know must be faking it then.

With all respect, I would say yes, they are. There are many closeted gay people, some even married with kids, that claim they are straight yet have affairs or hidden same sex partners. I have a very hard time believing that homosexuality is a choice. If it was, why do they feel the need to lie to themselves? Why not just "choose" to be straight? How about all the gay teens that kill themselves each year? Why didn't they just "choose" to be straight too and spare themselves the agony? This Jason character is a prime example. He is "straight" but kissed Lightning. It simply isn't a choice.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

With all respect, I would say yes, they are. There are many closeted gay people, some even married with kids, that claim they are straight yet have affairs or hidden same sex partners. I have a very hard time believing that homosexuality is a choice. If it was, why do they feel the need to lie to themselves? Why not just "choose" to be straight? How about all the gay teens that kill themselves each year? Why didn't they just "choose" to be straight too and spare themselves the agony? This Jason character is a prime example. He is "straight" but kissed Lightning. It simply isn't a choice.

I'm sure all those people that kill themselves kill themselves for other reasons. They probably have other issues far beyond whether or not they like other boys or not.

Again, I know that it's a poor analogy, but there are a few aspects of my musical tastes that are pretty questionable - things that wouldn't be accepted by my friends, stuff that I would get ripped on for. But I still listen to them.

Everyone is different. It doesn't seem weird to me that someone would still pursue being gay, even though they felt they would face ridicule for it. Like I said before in this thread, the human mind can be a very powerful thing.

 

[Charlie No-One]

It isn't that they are getting married to avoid ridicule; they are doing it because they don't want to be gay. I hardly think a man that gets married to a woman and has kids but is really gay would go through all that just to avoid being judged. I think they are trying to convince themselves of something.

 

[Sloth7d]

Being attracted to the opposite sex is natural, and serves a biological purpose. We are supposed to be physically attracted to the opposite sex.

Being attracted to the same sex would be detrimental to the species if it were ingrained within our instincts,

I have to disagree there and say no, at least not in our advanced civilization. Being attracted to the same sex does not prevent sperm doners and surrogates from being a viable option to continue human life.

but it's not. Being attracted to the opposite sex is ingrained into our instincts.

Every person is different, and instincts aren't everything to a species with our high level of consciousness. I wouldn't generalize the entire human populace by saying they're all attracted to the opposite sex. Based on what I've seen that's just not true.

 

[mrvlknight21]

It isn't that they aren't do it because they will be ridiculed; they are don't want to be gay. I hardly think a man that gets married to a woman and has kids but is really gay would go through all that just to avoid being ridiculed.

Im having a little trouble understanding your post because of apparent mistakes/typos, but I am able to read the last part fine.
Some people will go through that much or more to avoid being ridiculed/assure themselved of being accepted by family and friends.

 

[Charlie No-One]

Im having a little trouble understanding your post because of apparent mistakes/typos, but I am able to read the last part fine.
Some people will go through that much or more to avoid being ridiculed/assure themselved of being accepted by family and friends.

Sorry about that. Fixed it.

Even though I disagree that they just get married to avoid ridicule, if that were true, why not just choose to be straight then and avoid the hassle? I fail to see how someone can say it is a choice.

 

[mrvlknight21]

Sorry about that. Fixed it.

Even though I disagree that they just get married to avoid ridicule, if that were true, why not just choose to be straight then and avoid the hassle? I fail to see how someone can say it is a choice.

Gotcha -re-read it now and you may be right, the married men who are actually gay MAY be doing it to attempt to be straight. No argument here.

I know it is hard to understand the whole "I believe it is a choice" concept...seriously, I do.

My cousin was engaged to a beautiful girl and then one day he breaks up with her and starts dating a guy. It blew my mind and crushed her...I still dont really understand it and probably never will. His brother believes that he is confused in some way and isnt actually gay (which would be even harder to explain ). So, given our current discussion, I wonder if he was attempting to be/appear straight or what.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

A lot of people may just be going through the notions. They may never have really been put into a position to know any better.

They aren't getting married to avoid persecution, they are often getting married because they just don't know that there are other things out there that appeal to them.

Also, there are a lot of those people that really are straight, and when things don't go the way they wanted to with the opposite sex, they "go gay" so that they don't have to deal with it anymore.

And no matter how advanced with become, with sperm donors and what else, the fact remains that we are still instinctual creatures with biological needs and instincts. Sperm banks don't take those biological needs away from us.

Male and female don't exist so 2 guys can kiss.

But because of our advanced minds, beyond that of mere animals, 2 guys can conciously make the decision to kiss if they choose.

 

[Charlie No-One]

A lot of people may just be going through the notions. They may never have really been put into a position to know any better.

They aren't getting married to avoid persecution, they are often getting married because they just don't know that there are other things out there that appeal to them.

Also, there are a lot of those people that really are straight, and when things don't go the way they wanted to with the opposite sex, they "go gay" so that they don't have to deal with it anymore.

And no matter how advanced with become, with sperm donors and what else, the fact remains that we are still instinctual creatures with biological needs and instincts. Sperm banks don't take those biological needs away from us.

Male and female don't exist so 2 guys can kiss.

But because of our advanced minds, beyond that of mere animals, 2 guys can conciously make the decision to kiss if they choose.

Could things not be working out because they aren't attracted to the opposite sex in the first place and finally decided to go date/love what really attracts them?

I will agree you can kiss whoever you want, but when it comes to legitimate attraction and love, you cannot choose that.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And again, being naturally attracted to the same sex makes no biological sense.

 

[Mad Ones]

Homosexuality is found in animals as well... the Macaque monkeys in Japan are a prime example. It does occur in nature, and isn't just a man made idea...

 

[mrvlknight21]

Homosexuality is found in animals as well... the Macaque monkeys in Japan are a prime example. It does occur in nature, and isn't just a man made idea...

But dont those male monkeys reproduce with the female ones? They dont all just follow the homosexual lines and never reproduce/die off.

 

[Charlie No-One]

And again, being naturally attracted to the same sex makes no biological sense.

It being a choice doesn't make logical sense when you look at the gay population and situations I described.

As a homosexual, I am telling you I did not make the choice to like men. As long as I can remember, since I watched male figure skaters on TV when I was 5, I have been attracted to men more so than women.

But dont those male monkeys reproduce with the female ones? They dont all just follow the homosexual lines and never reproduce/die off.

Homosexuals can reproduce via surrogate/sperm donor or could support children via adoption.

 

[Mad Ones]

It was actually the female monkeys who would engage with both male and female monkeys. The males had to compete with other males and other females when courting. The female monkeys basically just pick what they feel like. Why would the female monkeys even pick other female monkeys if everything in the entire world is based on reproduction and evolution?

 

[mrvlknight21]

It being a choice doesn't make logical sense when you look at the gay population and situations I described.

As a homosexual, I am telling you I did not make the choice to like men. As long as I can remember, since I watched male figure skaters on TV when I was 5, I have been attracted to men more so than women.



Homosexuals can reproduce via surrogate/sperm donor or could support children via adoption.

^^ That wasnt my point.
Obviously I know that any person can adopt/use a surrogate. I was talking about the monkeys.

It was actually the female monkeys who would engage with both male and female monkeys. The males had to compete with other males and other females when courting. The female monkeys basically just pick what they feel like. Why would the female monkeys even pick other female monkeys if everything in the entire world is based on reproduction and evolution?

Ah, ok. either way...the females arent reproducing together. Well wait, what are they considering homosexual behavior for the female monkeys, exactly? Just asking, this is a new topic for me.

 

[Gilpesh]

But because of our advanced minds, beyond that of mere animals, 2 guys can conciously make the decision to kiss if they choose.

If 'our' minds were so advanced.... you wouldn't care that two guys kiss. Or you would at least recognize that they aren't 'choosing' to as if it were just deciding what color laptop to get.

 

[Mad Ones]

The female monkeys would have sex with other female monkeys as well as male monkeys. I guess it would be considered bisexuality, but females would court other females in a similar way that the male monkeys would court a female. The female monkey that is being courted picks who she wants to have sex with, and 50% of the time it was with another female monkey.

 

[Charlie No-One]

If 'our' minds were so advanced.... you wouldn't care that two guys kiss. Or you would at least recognize that they aren't 'choosing' to as if it were just deciding what color laptop to get.

 

[Gilpesh]

You know... everyone says I should go with blue.... everyone else goes with blue........ but I think I want.... A RED LAPTOP.

 

[Schlosser85]

I'm sure all those people that kill themselves kill themselves for other reasons. They probably have other issues far beyond whether or not they like other boys or not.

Ummm....if you don't think the high suicide rate of gay teens has anything to do with homophobia and anti-gay harassment...and if you think they chose to be gay and put themselves through the bullying until it drives them to suicide....

 

[Jennifer Walters]

As a case of being gay since birth, I can tell you that some men do indeed deny to themselves they are gay. I denied it and doubted it till I was in 11th grade when I fell head over heels in love with another male. I dated females before that, but could never get anywhere past holding hands or kissing in the relationship because I just wasn't ready/didn't want to do the rest with them.

I kept telling myself I needed the right girl, but all the while I was attracted to a majority of the good looking guys in school. Then a new guy moved in town in 11th grade, I fell for him and not in just an attraction manner, I literally wanted to be with this guy. That's when I knew I was gay for sure.

It just takes some men and women longer to release they are homosexual/bisexual, that's all.