Halloween Remake Thread... - Part 1

[Slushy]

It added exactly as much as 2 and 3 did.

I disagree. And the sad part even Scream 3 was better than 4.

 

[Gianakin_]

I disagree. But personal opinions and all that.

 

[marvelman2006]

Is it safe to though given the current discussion that the horror genre is out of ideas now as far as original killers like we got in th 70's and 80's? Sure we have had the saw movies for most of the decade and now paranormal activity but where are the new batch of serial killers who wear mask?

 

[PunisherFC]

Not sure if this was mentioned. http://www.horrorbid.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=256&t=22323 This is a link to a storyboard artist, who wants to direct a reboot of the franchise. It's very well done, check out the video and lets discuss!

 

[Gianakin_]

That was from before the 2007 reboot. Essentially that was one of Rob Zombie's competitors. But I do agree I find it very well done.

 

[Evil Twin]

I've heard good things about You're Next which is coming out next year for coming up with a new take on the masked killer angle, but between CSI, Criminal Minds, and Dexter, it's not like we're not neck deep in serial killers practically every week on tv. If anything, I think Halloween and Friday the 13th have shown how hard it is to maintain that masked serial killer angle when the killer doesn't have much personality and there's not much mystery going on. No personality, no mystery, and no higher goals doesn't leave much to sustain a film. I think it's fair to say that Dexter, Hannibal Lecter, and Norman Bates are more interesting, versatile villains.

 

[Gianakin_]

True, but they're not "movie monsters". Jason, Freddie and Myers are.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Scream is fun, I love how it parodies the genre without turning to another mediocre spoof
I love that series
Didn't see the fourth film

 

[Gianakin_]

Watch it, it spoofs remakes and their rules and twists in a franchise's myth.

 

[marvelman2006]

I hated scream 4 and it was for the same reasons I loved the first. It just felt cheesy and like the actors were phoning it in and yet once it was over I couldnt remember it a week later.

 

[culver3vlr22]

Scream 4 had a nice twist ending. But the hour 45 before was stupid cheesy campy plot holes I can talk all day about the problems in scream 4.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Th strangers is a great modern slasher

 

[Donnie Darko]

Th strangers is a great modern slasher

But... it killed Dennis Reynolds.

 

[Thundarr]

That dark void reminded me of one episode of Angel
There's that kid possessed by a demon who likes little boys (pedophile I say), but the demon sends a "Help Me" message
Later the demon explains it was him who asked to be saved and the boy burnt his sisters room just cause she had one piece of marshmallow more than he did
Was he inspired by the old version of Michael Myers as a kid killing his naked older sister?

And I guess the franchise started as splatter porn, Zombie added one or two scenes more than the original

That's an interesting point, comparing the kid from the Season 1 episode of Angel to Michael Myers from Halloween. That's kinda how I always saw the character. There's no rhyme nor reason to why he does what he does. He's just born evil. Another example could be the killer from the Nick Cage movie 8mm, who called himself "Machine". When Nick Cage unmasks him in the end and sees he's just a normal guy, he says "What were you expecting? A monster? You know why I do the things I do? My daddy never raped me. My mother never beat me. I wasn't bullied as a kid. The reason I do what I do, is because I like it."

As for your comment about John Carpenter's Halloween being the original "splatter porn", I have to disagree. While Halloween is arguably the first slasher movie (although some would say Psycho was the original), it wasn't splatter porn. There was actually very little in the way of blood in the first Halloween (mostly because they couldn't afford the special effects with their $350,000 budget). "Splatter porn" didn't come about until the 1980's, when slasher films started added gratuitous amounts of blood and guts to their escalating body counts, just for the sake of having more blood and guts. The Hatchet movies are splatter porn. Wrestlemaniac is splatter porn. Anything done by Rob Zombie is splatter porn. John Carpenter's Halloween, however, most certainly is not.

 

[Thundarr]

Scream is fun, I love how it parodies the genre without turning to another mediocre spoof
I love that series
Didn't see the fourth film

Same here. It was able to be funny and scary at the same time because it was a satire of slasher films, not a straight up spoof. I didn't like the sequels as much because they strayed a little too much into becoming straight up horror movies and lost some of the "this is a satire" vibe. But they were okay. I still haven't seen the 4th one yet. When I heard about it I was like "Really? Who is left from Sidney's past who could possibly want her dead?"

 

[Roose Bolton]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that he was "born" evil, his family didn't expect a thing, and Loomis even states that it "there was nothing left" after he killed Judith. This leads me to believe he was once an ordinary boy until that night, and I think that's even more horrifying; that this innocent, happy child could just shed his humanity one night and become this blank killing machine.

 

[Thundarr]

Is it safe to though given the current discussion that the horror genre is out of ideas now as far as original killers like we got in th 70's and 80's? Sure we have had the saw movies for most of the decade and now paranormal activity but where are the new batch of serial killers who wear mask?

Well there are the Hatchet movies. Then there's Wrestlemaniac, about a homicidal luchadore who kills people by ripping their faces off. Then there's the mocumentary Behind The Mask, where a homicidal maniac is walking a group of film students through what it takes to become a "Jason/Michael" caliber mass murderer. And let's not forget the cannibalistic mongoloids from the Wrong Turn franchise.

So there have been a number of slasher films throughout the last decade or so, which have introduced new Michael/Jason-esque killers. Most of them have just gone straight to DVD, and with limited success. Which is a shame, because some of them are very well done. But other "Michael Myers/Jason Voorheesitype" characters are out there. You gotta look for them, they're not all that well known, and they don't have their own Halloween costumes available at the stores, but they're out there.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

Is it safe to though given the current discussion that the horror genre is out of ideas now as far as original killers like we got in th 70's and 80's? Sure we have had the saw movies for most of the decade and now paranormal activity but where are the new batch of serial killers who wear mask?

They are out there, it's just most are too busy *****ing about remakes to notice them.

 

[bullets]

I did enjoy Scream 4 because it was a big FU to remakes. Like the other Scream flicks, it served its purpose: to parody the latest trends of the genre.

I really enjoyed Scream 4. I did have some minor issues but it was still clever enough to surpass the other sequels.

I disagree. And the sad part even Scream 3 was better than 4.

Scream 3 was almost a complete disaster. I think Sidney was the only character that progressed and I enjoyed watching her. The other actors did what they could but nothing made sense or was well thought out. If you listen to the commentary Wes admits that he thinks people won't pay close attention to the logistics of Randy's sister sneaking on set.

 

[Thundarr]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that he was "born" evil, his family didn't expect a thing, and Loomis even states that it "there was nothing left" after he killed Judith. This leads me to believe he was once an ordinary boy until that night, and I think that's even more horrifying; that this innocent, happy child could just shed his humanity one night and become this blank killing machine.

Just because the parents didn't notice the signs doesn't mean they weren't there. It's like that episode of Criminal Minds from a while back, when a little kid kills his younger brother, and a friend of the parents (a cop) makes it look like it was the work of a serial killer that's been stalking the area. Or the episode from Season 1 where the killer ends up being a little boy. And when Gideon asks him why he hurt those kids, the boy looks at him coldly and says "Because I wanted to." And then there's the more recent episode with a 13 year old family annihilator, traveling cross country to kill his mom and his sister. Of course in that one his mom figured out he was a remorseless monster and tried to get rid of him.

In Dark Horse Comics' discontinued Halloween series, there was an issue about the weeks leading up to Judith's murder. Michael was acting creepy long before that night. He just mostly kept it hidden. Why exactly he chose not to continue the facade I don't know (I don't think it was mentioned in the comic). But I think something like that, he was simply born with a head full of bad wiring, rather than Rob Zombie's red neck serial killer cliche of him being from a broken home, with an abusive stepfather, a neglectful mother, ****ty older sister, bullied at school, listening to heavy metal music, torturing animals, etc, etc, etc, is a much better way to go.

 

[Roose Bolton]

You ever read the novelisation of the original film? It was kind of creepy because it showed Michael in the days leading up to the murder. He would space out for moments at a time and have these horrible nightmares. It showed him trick or treating in the clown outfit, and at one point he and bunch of kids are standing at someone's door and the person asks "what'll happen if I don't give you candy?"
To which Michael responds "we'll kill you!"
"Who said that? Michael Myers is that you!?"
"I'm not Michael Myers. I'm a clown."

Obviously it's just an outdated tie-in but I really loved how it handled how for some unexplainable reason he just lost his sense of identity and became "the shape".

 

[Thundarr]

You ever read the novelisation of the original film? It was kind of creepy because it showed Michael in the days leading up to the murder. He would space out for moments at a time and have these horrible nightmares. It showed him trick or treating in the clown outfit, and at one point he and bunch of kids are standing at someone's door and the person asks "what'll happen if I don't give you candy?"
To which Michael responds "we'll kill you!"
"Who said that? Michael Myers is that you!?"
"I'm not Michael Myers. I'm a clown."

Obviously it's just an outdated tie-in but I really loved how it handled how for some unexplainable reason he just lost his sense of identity and became "the shape".

No I never read that. Of course, I was only 4 when the original movie first came out. I'd love to get my hands on a copy of the novel, but in this day & age I'll probably only be able to find the novelization of Rob Zombie's piece of s#!t. I'm thinking of going to the comic shop and seeing if they have any back issues of the Halloween comics. Some of them are really well done.

I'd also love to get my hands on Chaos Comics' Halloween: Issue #1 (Behind The Mask). It was about the years Michael spent at Smith's Grove sanitarium. It helps explain Dr. Loomis's obsession with keeping Michael locked up. Turns out, when Michael was 14 years old, he murdered the doctor's fiance on Halloween night. It was declared an accident, but the nurse's head was twisted all the way around.

 

[DeGenerate10]

I hated Rob Zombie's Halloween. I hated the white trash route he went with the characters. And Halloween 2 was one of the worst pieces of crap I've ever seen.

 

[marvelman2006]

I hated Rob Zombie's Halloween. I hated the white trash route he went with the characters. And Halloween 2 was one of the worst pieces of crap I've ever seen.

I didnt like that concept at all and not to mention the young boy playing michael looked like a girl and couldnt act to save his life. Thats why sometimes like in the Michael Myers case its better to just see them as stone cold slashers and not try to go deep into there origins. Its almost like people cant accept that someone can just snap and go on a killing spree, they want to know what lead to it and why. This goes for most origins, the characters we fall in love with are the way there first presented to us for the first time. Like take Vader in a new hope, when he comes through the door with the stormtroopers were instantly in love with the character then all of a sudden were presented his origins in the prequels and it dimished the mystery of the character. Im saying its better to leave origins of characters to the audiences imaginations because they never live up to our expectations.

 

[66 Face]

I didn't mind the Zombie Halloween movies. They don't come close to the original but at least he tried to do his own thing. Other than part 2 I've always hated the sequals. There were parts of 4 and 666 that I liked but MM going out on a date in part 5 just really rubbed me the wrong way.

What I really hated about the Zombie movies was that he over explained MM's past. IMO thats the problem with most horror movies these days. Meyers just loses something when he's overly humanized. I wish he would have just saved that for TRex.

As for the short I thought it was great. I actually would have loved to have seen the reboot start this way and then have Loomis trying to peice together MM's past... in the end there's no ryme or reason to what happened to MM.