The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[MiniBond]

So now that we know Dent doesn't get scarred in court how about that courtroom scene somebody here assured us it takes place in the movie (quite confirmed by the casting sides which never lied)????

 

[Axtech]

Speaking of The Long Halloween, I think people might be forgetting that

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at the end of Dark Victory, Two-Face gets shot in his face(s), and lives

and I think this is likely what we will see happen here, although it may not be fully revealed until the third installment.

 

[Gianakin_]

What superhero movie besides X-men that has returning villains not counting characters who later become villains like Harry.

Well, Superman. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't become a more often trait to SH movies.

 

[Antrax255]

Enough with the mobsters lets get a villain bent on just destroying the town or trying to kill Batman and nothing else.

 

[Gianakin_]

Speaking of The Long Halloween, I think people might be forgetting that

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at the end of Dark Victory, Two-Face gets shot in his face(s), and lives

and I think this is likely what we will see happen here, although it may not be fully revealed until the third installment.

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They're saying about his dead body and funeral.

 

[Keymaker]

Enough with the mobsters lets get a villain bent on just destroying the town or trying to kill Batman and nothing else.

Um...Joker?

 

[Axtech]

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They're saying about his dead body and funeral.

oh, well that's a bit of information I didn't know, which kind of throws my theory out the window

 

[redfirebird2008]

Enough with the mobsters lets get a villain bent on just destroying the town or trying to kill Batman and nothing else.

You mean like the MFing Joker? t:

 

[Antrax255]

But he's working with the mob there is a mob subplot f the mob I'm just waiting for Batman to meet the Godfather.

 

[Keymaker]

So you want the hulk to come and start a rampage or something? t:

 

[redfirebird2008]

But he's working with the mob there is a mob subplot f the mob I'm just waiting for Batman to meet the Godfather.

He's using the mob, not working with them. There is a difference. He's a terrorist. He fits the description of what you are looking for.

 

[Yurka]

I will refuse to believe that

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Harvey dies

until I actually see the movie. It seems like SUCH a waste. If it really is true I'm seriously going to be upset.

 

[calibud]

At this point it's a spoiler

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that Two-Face is killed

, not a rumor. It ceased being a rumor when more than one reviewer spilled the beans.

But it's okay! It might fit within the story. One review I've read (at a website most SHH posters absolutely hate so I won't even bother mentioning) said that Batman

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ends up taking responsibility for the Harvey's murders, incriminating himself because he knew that Dent was a more respectable symbol (in the public's eye) than he would ever be.

This would resonate in any other movies set within the BB continuity and who knows what repercussions it may have in #3? So, if

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there is no ambiguity about his death

, the character will still have a presence in the next film(s).

I wouldn't say Nolan has been 100% faithful thus far, but he's respected the material. And he's taken the characters to places moviegoers unfamiliar with the comics wouldn't have thought possible otherwise. It's unfair to say that

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killing Two-Face, much as I love the character,

is "Schumacher-esque" or whatever other lame adjective has been used lately. He's just a better storyteller. IMHO, it'd be very disrespectful to unabashedly

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resurrect a dead character and unwrap his wrapped up storyline. It's possible for other villians to be just as interesting.

We should just rejoice in that Harvey's story is indeed the backbone of TDK.

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Even if that means we have to bid him farewell after (just judging from what we've read over the last couple of years) a well-conceived storyarc.

BTW forget whatever it was David Goyer said about the three film arc after BB was released. That was 3 years ago. He was not involved in this film and he's not even getting a story credit.

At this point, it's a spoiler.

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Even if none of us know for sure yet that that the body "wasn't found" or Harvey's hand bursts from a trash compacter or something.

 

[calibud]

Wow that's sloppy looking. Sorry.

 

[Crook]

What a dreadful idea. Still, with the loss of Ra's, The Joker (one assumes, after Ledger's passing, and

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Dent

, we will soon be out of bankable villains, and another reboot will come sooner rather than later.

Batman has plenty of other villains they could use. But if Nolan leaves, I doubt anyone would continue his vision, so a reboot is likely anyway.

If the latest is true, both are responsible for killing seperate Batman franchises

Quit exaggerating. Killing this franchise would mean a box office bomb, no more sequels, and a public outcry against this film. None of which seem to be happening anytime soon.

1. Lack of perma white on the Joker
2. The Cut Smile
3. Two Face's demise
4. Burning down Wayne Manor in BB
5. Using Henri Ducard as an alias for Ras Al Gul when he was a seperate character.

Those are artistic changes to the material. Something that EVERYONE has done. From Burton, to Schumacher, to Dini. Let's not pretend like all writers follow a blueprint to the letter.

I will refuse to believe that

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Harvey dies

until I actually see the movie. It seems like SUCH a waste. If it really is true I'm seriously going to be upset.

Agreed. Though it sounds Nolan has made one helluva film, so at least I can look forward to that. Thankfully though, we do have other villains in the fray that can provide a good movie. But it does seem hypocritical to repeat the same exact mistakes of the previous franchise.

I find it ironic Schumacher's films are the only ones to utilize Arkham in the way it was presented in the comics.

 

[Yurka]

Regardless as to whether it "fits the story", its a waste of one of the greatest supervillains in comic history, and I am going to be extremely dissappointed.

 

[Antrax255]

Regardless as to whether it "fits the story", its a waste of one of the greatest supervillains in comic history, and I am going to be extremely dissappointed.

There have been other Super villains that have been a way bigger waste.

 

[Yurka]

There have been other Super villains that have been a way bigger waste.

If you're gonna say Venom, prepare for a smack.

 

[Yurka]

Agreed. Though it sounds Nolan has made one helluva film, so at least I can look forward to that. Thankfully though, we do have other villains in the fray that can provide a good movie. But it does seem hypocritical to repeat the same exact mistakes of the previous franchise.

I find it ironic Schumacher's films are the only ones to utilize Arkham in the way it was presented in the comics.

Indeed,
and sadly, that is very true, haha.

 

[calibud]

Sounds more like you'll be disappointed in the fact that he may not have any scenes in #3 rather than his characterization in TDK. That's cool, but be glad that Tommy Lee Jones wasn't the last we'd seen of Two-Face on film.

 

[Omega Wizard]

I want Batman to have a villain like Magneto...someone that they wont kill off, to make the films one big story arc

 

[ctkwilson]

I don't get how people think Freeze could work AT ALL in the Nolan-verse.

A lot of people questioned Ledger as Joker, then questioned "perma" white... Nolan could get Ledger into the role of the Joke and get past the perma white issue. I think, if approached the right way, Freeze could work in Nolan's universe. He made this Joker his own incarnation of chaos, I hate to limit Nolan's universe based on past interpretations of any character in the world of Batman.

 

[Diablo101]

Regardless as to whether it "fits the story", its a waste of one of the greatest supervillains in comic history, and I am going to be extremely dissappointed.

Here's a shocker: Nolan never wanted to make Dent a villain. He's a tragic hero in Nolan's eyes. And in terms of a tragic hero, Nolan seems to have done justice to him.

And you're going to be dissapointed because even though TDK will be a epic masterpiece, it didn't set up a potential sequel in the way you wanted it to? Big deal. Focus on this film now, and worry about the potental sequel when the time comes (which should be about three years from now).

I think people here wanted TDK to end like BB did with the Joker card and that's not going to happen so everyone is all going emo-angry. Nolan doesn't like to make the same type of films, so he was never going to make TDK like BB. Just because BB ended in a way where you knew who the villain would be in the next oen didn't mean TDK would.

Now, I think that Two-Face could have been interseting in the third film, but I'm not upset if he's not in it as long as Nolan does justice to the charecter in this.

 

[MiniBond]

Here's a shocker: Nolan never wanted to make Dent a villain. He's a tragic hero in Nolan's eyes. And in terms of a tragic hero, Nolan seems to have done justice to him.

And you're going to be dissapointed because even though TDK will be a epic masterpiece, it didn't set up a potential sequel in the way you wanted it to? Big deal. Focus on this film now, and worry about the potental sequel when the time comes (which should be about three years from now).

I think people here wanted TDK to end like BB did with the Joker card and that's not going to happen so everyone is all going emo-angry. Nolan doesn't like to make the same type of films, so he was never going to make TDK like BB. Just because BB ended in a way where you knew who the villain would be in the next oen didn't mean TDK would.

Now, I think that Two-Face could have been interseting in the third film, but I'm not upset if he's not in it as long as Nolan does justice to the charecter in this.

QFT t:

 

[Crook]

Now, I think that Two-Face could have been interseting in the third film, but I'm not upset if he's not in it as long as Nolan does justice to the charecter in this.

Please tell me how you can do justice to this character by leaving out major themes and symbolism associated with Batman? Out of all the batvillains, Harv is the one that you can relate to Bruce the most.

Now, Harvey Dent may get his due in this film, but Two-Face? There's absolutely no way you can do that character right in 30 minutes and just leave it at that.