The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[StrainedEyes]

So 3 falls in the movie, and the 3rd one's the charm? Rachel - saved. Maroni - gimp leg. Harvey - deceased.

Hell, we can all infer whatever we like. Fact is, they lift it ambiguous, since they never stated that he was, in fact, dead. Guess we'll have to see if Eckhart's got another movie in his contract.

Rachel landed on Batman, Maroni landed on his legs.

 

[Dusty_Lane]

I'm sold. Until he's seen flipping that coin in a third movie, I'm gonna mark his status as dead. Keep in mind that this is just another version of the Batman story, and a much more realistic one. Things that do not exactly follow a comic book formula in the real world.

 

[Grommers]

I was just thinking about the line "You either die a hero or live long enough to see your self become the villain"

Well batman lived long enough to become the villain, and harvey dent died a hero. Even though it was opposite of what really is.

I could really see the third one going into "nothing is as it seems"

 

[DashCon]

i read the movie explained Two-Face's half-burnt suit. i already watched the movie and get the coin and the tossing but this little tidbit slipped by me. anybody care to tell me what scene(s) and/or dialogue was this explained?

 

[Superman]

If you ask me I think that IF they bring Dent/Two Face back somehow that would be a way for them to clear Batman's rep of not killing. If Two Face comes back in a 3rd movie Gordon and the cops would have to admit that it was Dent/Two Face that did the killings, Not Batman.

Just a thought.

 

[David Rice]

i read the movie explained Two-Face's half-burnt suit. i already watched the movie and get the coin and the tossing but this little tidbit slipped by me. anybody care to tell me what scene(s) and/or dialogue was this explained?

There was gas on his suit froim the fire. And there was only a small part of it that was burnt

 

[gdw]

I was surprised that I really did not mind the change to Two-Face's scaring. It ended up being done really well.

I also found the "death" of Two-Face to be left very ambiguous.

He could easily have been unconscious, as they never came right out and said it. He had his eye closed, the one he could close, and usually when one dies, unless they close their eyes just before it happens, or are asleep, they still have their eyes open.

Batman survived the fall, and was not knocked out, with protection. Someone without protection would likely have been knocked out then. Depending on how they landed mind you. Besides, if he died, then that would mean that Batman blatantly killed him to save Gordon's son, and Batman clearly would not resort to that. Especially with Dent, if he wouldn't do it with someone like Joker.

 

[gdw]

dbl pst

 

[redhawk23]

dent was completly unprepared for the fall, batman more or les tackled him

Batman hung on the ledge for a few seconds he knew he was going to fall and had a moment to prepare himself , and if one thing batman knows how to do its fall without dying

 

[FaT_tONle]

Please tell me Dent is NOT really gone for good...

 

[Tron5000]

It seems like Gordon would've said "die with him" instead of "die with his reputation" had he actually been dead. And did they even check for a pulse or anything? If they were concerned that he died from the fall, would they not check his pulse to see if he was, in fact, dead, or if he may have survived the fall?

 

[FaT_tONle]

"SAY IT"...

God what a chilling line... best delivered short phrase in the film.

 

[cerealkiller182]

The Dent/Two Face story might have been the best facet of this movie. The progression and transformation from begining to end was superb and I really dont want to see Dent come back. As a ruined hero, I no longer think he could hold his own movie as a villain without falling into stereotypes. I think The Dark Knight is a better testament to the character.

 

[Yurka]

Two-Face looked perfect. Like if I dreamt 5 years ago of what Two-Face would look like on the big screen, it would be that. Absolutely amazing. Eckhart gave an amazing performance
And to me, I believe he might not be dead.

 

[Jericho1987]

It seems like Gordon would've said "die with him" instead of "die with his reputation" had he actually been dead. And did they even check for a pulse or anything? If they were concerned that he died from the fall, would they not check his pulse to see if he was, in fact, dead, or if he may have survived the fall?

True.

I don't believe he's dead either. At least, from a potential sequel stand-point I can see how "faking" Dent's death, just to have him break out of jail (or something to that capacity) in the 3rd one could set the stage well.

Dent was the White Knight for the city..the reason why they kept his reputation, and thus keeping the city's morale up (to some extent). If the people we're to find out Dent had turned evil? Ontop of the fact the Police/Mayor lied to them? I can see the turning of civil unrest towards the heads of Gotham, springing more crime then ever (something like that).

Dent is Joker's "ace in the hole". Even though Joker may not be around for the next one, he set the stage for Dent to continue along the path that Joker laid for him. And I think it goes further then the last 15 minutes of The Dark Knight. Ontop of that, it's a way to keep the Joker in the movie, but not actually in it? If that makes any sense. But that's just my opinion.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

The Dent/Two Face story might have been the best facet of this movie. The progression and transformation from begining to end was superb and I really dont want to see Dent come back. As a ruined hero, I no longer think he could hold his own movie as a villain without falling into stereotypes. I think The Dark Knight is a better testament to the character.

Completely agreed, especially with the bold. He served his purpose, targeting those responsible for Rachel. No real reason to bring him back. Plus, wasn't there a eulogy for Dent at the end. So, wouldn't that have meant they would have buried him?

 

[StrainedEyes]

It seems like Gordon would've said "die with him" instead of "die with his reputation" had he actually been dead. And did they even check for a pulse or anything? If they were concerned that he died from the fall, would they not check his pulse to see if he was, in fact, dead, or if he may have survived the fall?

Gordon meant that, Harvey's accomplishments, his inspiration to the city, would not end with his death, people would still to look to him as a hero, unless the public found out that he died after being corrupted and killing at least 2 people and attempting to kill Gordon's son.

Harvey's accomplishments would not die with him, the accomplishments would die if Harvey's final acts tarnished his reputation.

 

[TripXyDE]

Harvey...
...was seduced by the dark side of the Force
he ceased to be Harvey Dent and became Two-Face
when that happened, the good man who was your DA was destroyed

so what i told you was true...
...from a certain point of view

You're going to find that many of the
truths we cling to depend greatly on our own
point of view.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
why so serious?

 

[Steelsheen]

If you ask me I think that IF they bring Dent/Two Face back somehow that would be a way for them to clear Batman's rep of not killing. If Two Face comes back in a 3rd movie Gordon and the cops would have to admit that it was Dent/Two Face that did the killings, Not Batman.

Just a thought.

in the third movie (if there will be one, because frankly how TDK ends they could just stop with that), the truth has to come out that Batman didnt kill any of Two-Face's victims. what i think the 3rd film will eventually achieve is that Batman is the right kind of hero for Gotham, the hero that trully represents the city, not the idealized White Knight version that Harvey Dent was. the theme of having the spirit of Gothamites be unbroken must carry over from Harvey Dent to Batman.

I was surprised that I really did not mind the change to Two-Face's scaring. It ended up being done really well.

I also found the "death" of Two-Face to be left very ambiguous.

agreed. what the film showed very clearly was that there was a memorial for "Harvey Dent", the idealized White Knight of Gotham. what Nolan and crew are probably hoping for is the natural assumption of audiences to think that when there is a memorial, that character is dead. in the next film they could very easily show the real truth of Two-Face imprisoned/ under treatment in Arkham, with maybe an allusion of Joker being there as well.

what i'd like to know is what Nolan's plans are for the 3rd film-- if there is a 3rd film of course. i couldnt help get the feeling that the 2nd film seemed to have ended in such finality because Nolan is pissed off at WB and is his way of saying "I quit."

i followed up on the spoilers but for some reason i have forgotten the change in the scarring from acid burn to fire burn, so i was surprised seeing it develop that way in the movie.

 

[nolan's roll'n]

Was it explained if Harvey is dead?

 

[bell110]

in the third movie (if there will be one, because frankly how TDK ends they could just stop with that), the truth has to come out that Batman didnt kill any of Two-Face's victims. what i think the 3rd film will eventually achieve is that Batman is the right kind of hero for Gotham, the hero that trully represents the city, not the idealized White Knight version that Harvey Dent was. the theme of having the spirit of Gothamites be unbroken must carry over from Harvey Dent to Batman.



agreed. what the film showed very clearly was that there was a memorial for "Harvey Dent", the idealized White Knight of Gotham. what Nolan and crew are probably hoping for is the natural assumption of audiences to think that when there is a memorial, that character is dead. in the next film they could very easily show the real truth of Two-Face imprisoned/ under treatment in Arkham, with maybe an allusion of Joker being there as well.

what i'd like to know is what Nolan's plans are for the 3rd film-- if there is a 3rd film of course. i couldnt help get the feeling that the 2nd film seemed to have ended in such finality because Nolan is pissed off at WB and is his way of saying "I quit."

i followed up on the spoilers but for some reason i have forgotten the change in the scarring from acid burn to fire burn, so i was surprised seeing it develop that way in the movie.

What is Nolan pissed off at the WB about?

If TDK does good, there will probably be a 3rd with or without Nolan and co.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

No it was never explained.

 

[MercuryEnigma]

I was surprised that I really did not mind the change to Two-Face's scaring. It ended up being done really well.

I also found the "death" of Two-Face to be left very ambiguous.

He could easily have been unconscious, as they never came right out and said it. He had his eye closed, the one he could close, and usually when one dies, unless they close their eyes just before it happens, or are asleep, they still have their eyes open.

Batman survived the fall, and was not knocked out, with protection. Someone without protection would likely have been knocked out then. Depending on how they landed mind you. Besides, if he died, then that would mean that Batman blatantly killed him to save Gordon's son, and Batman clearly would not resort to that. Especially with Dent, if he wouldn't do it with someone like Joker.

He didn't kill him; he just didn't save him. lol I don't know. I was confused and shocked about that whole turn of events.

 

[Rocker22]

I think they did a great job with Harvey and Two-Face.

 

[Steelsheen]

Was it explained if Harvey is dead?

as i said right before your post, Nolan and crew are probably hoping for is the natural assumption of audiences to think that when there is a memorial, that character is dead. in the next film they could very easily show the real truth of Two-Face imprisoned/ under treatment in Arkham

What is Nolan pissed off at the WB about?

If TDK does good, there will probably be a 3rd with or without Nolan and co.

oh without a doubt WB will insist on the 3rd film, but is Nolan and crew a willing collaborator? there was a brouhaha between WB and the Nolan regarding Justice League and thats where the rift started. and it wasnt just a small spat it was bad enough to the point that Christian Bale was forced to choose between staying loyal to Nolan and crew or follow his interest and helm the JL movie (he chose the former, and thats how the casting disaster of the JL movie was born)