The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[VoiceOfReason]

He's likely dead -- any further movies would likely try to introduce some new Batman villains instead of rehashing the same gamut.

 

[Mr. E]

He's dead. His entire body was broken from the fall and it was implied that he landed on his neck considering it was twisted when Batman moved his head.

How come The Dark Knight survived and the White Knight did not? It's simple not only did his flexible armor take the impact, but he smashed through a bottom floor of wood and pipes, breaking his fall. Harvey did not. He went straight down.

 

[TripXyDE]

Opinion:
Nolan's Batman universe is pretty realistic
In this "real" world, somebody like Two-Face would not live long enough
not with his Two-Face motivations
not with his being a former D.A. and crooks out there still with a vendetta looking to retaliate
not with his being a former D.A. not finding enough mob power, he would find it hard recruiting people

im not saying TwoFace is indeed dead or alive
but he went out with a bang
Maybe Nolan thought that there wouldn't be any better Two-Face storyline than what's on hand. Might as well maximize on it and close the book (not necessarily permanently)

 

[TNC9852002]

I hope Dent stays dead. It sends an important message with him dying like that.

Anyway, I was a little surprised at how dynamic and complex they made Dent. It was really believable..

-TNC

 

[HarveyTwoFace]

Hey guys, remember me? I hopped in a few weeks ago to argue about Dent's death and I wanted to say, "Hey, you told me so." For all intents and purposes, Dent is dead and will stay that way for any potential movies in the future. We saw his body, and Batman took the rap for his crimes.

However, and I know how some will react with this, to people like me there is a big enough window to say he's not dead, really. Just like not seeing Ra's Al Ghul's body (or anything else for that matter) in BB, a purist such as myself can say that Dent is alive. It's not a huge point, as I pointed out in the first paragraph, for all it matters Dent is done.

Here's how I see it. Two-Face fell from the same length Batman did. Sure the Bat was wearing armor, but it wasn't that padded. In fact, it could have made him heavier. Also, they never explicitly say he died. The closest thing I remember was Gordon saying, in relation to what Harvey started, "This can't die with his reputation." It's a throwaway line, but one that is there (possibly) for someone like me to latch onto. Also, and this could be a mistake on the actor's part, but, Two-Face was breathing very slightly. Maybe I saw that wrong, I don't know.

Again, before someone yells in my face that "Two-Face is dead: GET OVER IT!" I wanted to say that, one last time, he's done with as far as we know. If there is another movie, unless they want him to be the main villain, they'll either not mention him or say something about him in some minor dialog. Unless they wanted to clarify.

Oh, and I don't remember who said this or if it was even from this forum but... there's not a coffin.

 

[kevin2323]

two face is alive imo.
he fell from the same height as batman and was knocked out cold due to no amor.
They never show a coffin and the funeral is for harvey dent.
plus joker's speech at the end also makes me believe he is alive.
Also batman didnt seem too sad that he killed two face, oh that is right batman doesn't kill.

everything leads more to him not being dead than definitively dead as some were clinging to religiously. Acting as if they had seen the movie already.

once again all this is IMO of course.

 

[Beanjuice]

I hope Dent stays dead. It sends an important message with him dying like that.

Anyway, I was a little surprised at how dynamic and complex they made Dent. It was really believable..

-TNC

yeah i really liked what they did with him, it was believable and over the top at the same time

 

[toenexx]

Yea there is just too many clues that point to him being alive:

- Two fake deaths, Joker and Gordon. We all know Nolan likes repeating ideas in his movies.
- Maroni being thrown off and not dying.
- Batman doesn't kill, otherwise the Joker would of gotten his wish of making Batman break his rule.
- No coffin, no mention of his death.. just what looks like a speech about Dent.
- Also, right after we see Dent flip the coin, Batman charges at him, they go over the ledge, then there is a cut to the coin flipping to heads... a possible indication to Dent's life?

 

[DSET]

he is alive

 

[beyond_death]

I have conflicting opinions on Two-faces fate. I would like it if he didnt die as I feel he still has a lot of potential for a good story and if he did die, that would mean that Batman technically killed someone. On the other hand, his death is crucial to the point of the story and bringing him back may seem kinda weak.

 

[Nevark]

I say Hush will be in the third one, i read these threads before i seen the movie and i thought it was going to be a brutal fall, i have to say two face did not look to be dead, and i think most people could have survived that fall!

 

[Dusty_Lane]

I really don't know. I'm very much under the impression that he broke his neck from the fall. "The White Knight" of Gotham dies a fallen hero, "The Dark Knight" of Gotham lives to see himself become the villain. Part of me, like alot of you, hope's that Harvey was just knocked cold from the fall. I think the whole idea of having him go out like that was so they could have plausible excuse for his survival if they did decide to use him for a third one. However, if they do not use him, or if there is no third movie, then he's dead, enough said. Until then it's up for debate.

 

[Symbiotic]

Spoiler

He's dead IMO. I say that mainly because it wasn't hinted that he was still alive.

 

[Tron5000]

Thought I remembered Eckhart mentioning that he would be returning for a 3rd film. Didn't save a link or anything, but I swear I read that somewhere. Even if I did, reading something doesn't make it true.

And I thought I saw his eye move slightly as he was lying on the ground. Could be my eye playing tricks on me, but I was looking pretty closely, 'cause I had the feeling they were trying to leave his situation ambiguous.

 

[Dusty_Lane]

and i think most people could have survived that fall!

I don't think Alfred could have.

 

[StrainedEyes]

He is dead. What do you all think happened? While Gordon's back was turned Two-Face skipped away? He died, and Gordon gave a speech about what a hero he was.

 

[StillTheKing]

I saw his eye move too but I think it was because his eye muscles don't work when he is dead, so his head just moves around with the body.

 

[Tron5000]

He is dead. What do you all think happened? While Gordon's back was turned Two-Face skipped away? He died, and Gordon gave a speech about what a hero he was.

Perhaps they just locked him up in a padded room, and Gordon made the speech so that Gotham would not lose confidence over the descent of its "white knight."

 

[Dusty_Lane]

He is dead. What do you all think happened? While Gordon's back was turned Two-Face skipped away? He died, and Gordon gave a speech about what a hero he was.

Agreed. With Batman now taking the wrap for his crimes, that would mean Harvey would be a free man. I don't believe Batman and Gordon would have allowed for Harvey to re-enter society just like that after having killed a bunch of people (even if they were mostly scum). However, he even comtemplated killing a kid for christ sake. The dude is mentally unstable.

 

[Tron5000]

If he died, then that means Batman really did break his one rule. But it didn't appear that he fell much further than Maroni, and all that dude got was a gimp leg and a cane.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Perhaps they just locked him up in a padded room, and Gordon made the speech so that Gotham would not lose confidence over the descent of its "white knight."

Gotham is a corrupt city, do you really think everyone involved in locking someone in a padded cell, would keep quiet? You can't just throw someone in jail without anyone knowing.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

Okay, Dent's dead. A shame, but it fit the movie.

 

[StrainedEyes]

If he died, then that means Batman really did break his one rule. But it didn't appear that he fell much further than Maroni, and all that dude got was a gimp leg and a cane.

It all depends how you land. Hell, you could stand on a chair and fall off the wrong way and break your neck.

 

[Tron5000]

Gotham is a corrupt city, do you really think everyone involved in locking someone in a padded cell, would keep quiet? You can't just throw someone in jail without anyone knowing.

He's helping Batman build the new cave. Batman saved his reputation, and he gets free labor out of it.

 

[Tron5000]

So 3 falls in the movie, and the 3rd one's the charm? Rachel - saved. Maroni - gimp leg. Harvey - deceased.

Hell, we can all infer whatever we like. Fact is, they lift it ambiguous, since they never stated that he was, in fact, dead. Guess we'll have to see if Eckhart's got another movie in his contract.