The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[ABleedingCorpse]

everyone is debating it over at the merch boards. I think this figure is totally legit but the packaging is just half-assed. Some moron just threw it together for press-pics, I highly doubt they would release hundreds of figures for sale for a two-face toy with a batman picture on it. but considering the atrocious debacle that was the mattel movie masters situation, i wouldnt put it past them.

my argument for this is that why would this be a kids line figure if they wouldnt even have a few scars for a ledger figure. i would also be saddened if they left the two-face figure to the kiddie line, but then again they havent done that for the scarecrow. the movie masters is basically the kids line without all of the bazookas and ridiculous getup.

I've wondered the same thing. They drasticly tone down the Joker figure but this Two-Face figure doesn't seem to be toned down at all. And what's up with the Movie Master stuff anyways? I'll go to the merch board about this.

 

[xero1186]

I'm hoping Two-Face use that double gun like he had in Face the Face. That would be cool.

 

[ronny]

The Long Halloween and BTAS both set him up that way. But then in his follow up stories he seems to have somehow lost any kind of morality, no matter how twisted. He's just a straight up villain.

It's all about motives though. I like the idea of us seeing him as a villain simply because he's fighting Batman but coming to understand his motives a little more. In my opinion the nickname "White Knight" sums up Harvey's mindset perfectly. He's a lot like Batman, he wants to take the burden of saving Gotham onto his own shoulders and doesn't want anyone else sharing the glory. It's all about his ego.
But once he becomes disfigured he doesn't lose sight of his goals but rather the means he uses to achieve them. As long as Harvey still wants to cleanse Gotham I can tolerate comic writers pairing him with other freaks. Because the way he sees it is probably that by doing a little evil he'll bring about a greater good.

 

[omid17]

Moriarty from AICN posts here. He's mentioned the ending and confirmed most of the spoilers on the AICN talkback system. He'd have no reason to lie, and there's no disclosure issue that would require him to lie.

 

[CrypticOne]

Spoiler

If Two-Face dies in this film, I honestly hope they don't make anymore Batman films. They should end it with the Joker being caught and going to Arkham, just like in The Killing Joke, bring the Joker down 'by the book' to prove that it can be done. Because to be honest, I wanted Two-Face to headline the third movie. Just him. I know that I'll love this film, TDK, but I just hope they don't kill a character off like Two-Face and go on to make a third film.

 

[Anubis Raptor]

I wonder if in TDK movie if Two-Face will have a double gun like the animated Two-Face did in BTAS .

Not the same guns but he still has his gat.

 

[Gallagher]

Spoiler

If Two-Face dies in this film, I honestly hope they don't make anymore Batman films. They should end it with the Joker being caught and going to Arkham, just like in The Killing Joke, bring the Joker down 'by the book' to prove that it can be done. Because to be honest, I wanted Two-Face to headline the third movie. Just him. I know that I'll love this film, TDK, but I just hope they don't kill a character off like Two-Face and go on to make a third film.

My thoughts exactly. Although It got called 'Fanboy whining' when I said it earlier

 

[selinakyle415]

How i've heard:

Spoiler

Harvey sends Maroni on trial. Before the judgment, A dirt cop (The one of the ''Half dead'' scene) passes Maroni acid and he throws it on Dent's face when the trial begins. Dent goes to hospital, but runs away and get's revenge on those envolved on his scarring.

AND HE WILL NOT DIE!

Just like in TLH.

 

[SuperBatman]

Oh please it's not like Nolan can't make a good 3rd movie without Two Face or the Joker.

 

[CrimsonDeath]

Spoiler

If Two-Face dies in this film, I honestly hope they don't make anymore Batman films. They should end it with the Joker being caught and going to Arkham, just like in The Killing Joke, bring the Joker down 'by the book' to prove that it can be done. Because to be honest, I wanted Two-Face to headline the third movie. Just him. I know that I'll love this film, TDK, but I just hope they don't kill a character off like Two-Face and go on to make a third film.

 

[CrimsonDeath]

Oh please it's not like Nolan can't make a good 3rd movie without Two Face or the Joker.

It's not that, it's just that Nolan might not even want to come back. This is getting damn good reviews, he might not have a story to top this one. And the fact that they are going to use Two Face the way they are, it only means that's as much story as they could get out of Two Face.

I wouldn't mind Nolan having a story to top the story in TDK though.

 

[redfirebird2008]

The Riddler would make for one hell of a mind***** movie. Memento, Insomnia, and Prestige are all mind*****s. Imagine the viral marketing with the Riddler. Good Gawd. And imagine the detective work from Batman. There could be no more *****ing from fanboys about Nolan not including detective work because he would absolutely nail this aspect thanks to the Riddler being in the film.

 

[Joker8906]

in all honesty I love Nolans movies that after this one I'd walk away I mean lightning almost never strikes twice in the same area so After Begins was critically acclaimed and this is gonna be massive I'd go out on the top of my game.


though the riddler if reworked would be sick I mean yea Batman detective work would be sick as hell i could kinda see the riddler as more of a jigsaw like person solve the riddle or die.

 

[namtaB]

The Riddler would make for one hell of a mind***** movie. Memento, Insomnia, and Prestige are all mind*****s. Imagine the viral marketing with the Riddler. Good Gawd. And imagine the detective work from Batman. There could be no more *****ing from fanboys about Nolan not including detective work because he would absolutely nail this aspect thanks to the Riddler being in the film.

Absolutely agree. Nolan does psychological themes exceptionally well. I find the Joker's criminality visceral whereas the Riddler's criminality cerebral. I think the Riddler would be a perfect fit in a Nolan film.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Absolutely agree. Nolan does psychological themes exceptionally well. I find the Joker's criminality visceral whereas the Riddler's criminality cerebral. I think the Riddler would be a perfect fit in a Nolan film.

Absolutely. And some of the things with Riddler can be incredibly dangerous for Batman. He's come closer to killing Batman than anyone else in the history of these characters. And it's because of these clever games he plays where Batman falls into some trap that you would never expect.

 

[SuperBatman]

The Riddler would make for one hell of a mind***** movie. Memento, Insomnia, and Prestige are all mind*****s. Imagine the viral marketing with the Riddler. Good Gawd. And imagine the detective work from Batman. There could be no more *****ing from fanboys about Nolan not including detective work because he would absolutely nail this aspect thanks to the Riddler being in the film.

I 100% agree with this.

The Riddler even though people think he's boring could be great if Nolan revamped him. And like you said it would give Batman a chance to do some Detective work by solving his riddles.

 

[namtaB]

Absolutely. And some of the things with Riddler can be incredibly dangerous for Batman. He's come closer to killing Batman than anyone else in the history of these characters. And it's because of these clever games he plays where Batman falls into some trap that you would never expect.

In all honesty based on how well Nolan plays with psychology in his films, I think the Riddler would be a much more engaging character and a better fit than the Joker. If he can make the Joker this good imagine what he could do with the Riddler?

 

[redfirebird2008]

In all honesty based on how well Nolan plays with psychology in his films, I think the Riddler would be a much more engaging character and a better fit than the Joker. If he can make the Joker this good imagine what he could do with the Riddler?

Definitely. The Riddler fits in very well with Nolan's style of filmmaking, which is first and foremost intellectual. The guy has made one film that is one of the biggest mind*****s in history, so much that I've still never fully been able to watch it and understand exactly how the plot comes together. I only know exactly what the hell happens in it because of reading good descriptions on the Internet about it. It's just awesome stuff and a true challenge for the audience.

Now, with this viral marketing they delivered with the Joker in TDK, imagine this on steroids basically. As much fun as we're having with the TDK virals, if they amp it up even more with the Riddler it would be a hell of a ride for the fans.

 

[stlblues84]

Spoiler

Getting back to two-face dying for a moment, do we know if they show the myhero scene from the virals? Because I get the impression from watching it that it's almost like something you would see after the credits of a movie. And, because I doubt movie critics are not following the virals, they have not seen that particular scene and, therefore, nolan kept it out of the advance screenings and has laid it back in for the final cut that goes to theaters. Does this sound possible?

 

[TLH]

The Riddler would make for one hell of a mind***** movie. Memento, Insomnia, and Prestige are all mind*****s. Imagine the viral marketing with the Riddler. Good Gawd. And imagine the detective work from Batman. There could be no more *****ing from fanboys about Nolan not including detective work because he would absolutely nail this aspect thanks to the Riddler being in the film.

The Riddler is definitely right up Nolan's alley in terms of writing the character and forming a plot around him (how he'd look is a different story).

Of course, Two-Face is also what I would call a Nolan-like villain with his emotional story arc; he's also very easy to pull off in the context of Nolan's "real world" vision. Whatever Nolan has in store for Two-Face is something we have to trust; if I recall, Nolan said he was setting out to make the best film possible and was not thinking about sequels. If the best film possible includes...

Spoiler

Two-Face dying

...then so be it. Nolan has never made a bad film. He's one of the few directors in Hollywood who you can thoroughly trust IMO.

 

[protocida]

I Saw ''Almost got'im'' yesterday:

KILLER CROC: I was hidding on the swears, when Batman showed up! So, I threw a rock on him!

JOKER: ...

TWO-FACE: ...

POISON IVY: ...

PENGUIN: ...

KILLER CROC: It was a BIG rock.

 

[SuperBatman]

Spoiler

Getting back to two-face dying for a moment, do we know if they show the myhero scene from the virals? Because I get the impression from watching it that it's almost like something you would see after the credits of a movie. And, because I doubt movie critics are not following the virals, they have not seen that particular scene and, therefore, nolan kept it out of the advance screenings and has laid it back in for the final cut that goes to theaters. Does this sound possible?

You are living on blind hope we already heard that scene happens after

Spoiler

The Hospital exploding

 

[Venom 1988]

Spoiler

Getting back to two-face dying for a moment, do we know if they show the myhero scene from the virals? Because I get the impression from watching it that it's almost like something you would see after the credits of a movie. And, because I doubt movie critics are not following the virals, they have not seen that particular scene and, therefore, nolan kept it out of the advance screenings and has laid it back in for the final cut that goes to theaters. Does this sound possible?

First off your not the first person to think of this. This bar scene takes place much earlier in the film.

Spoiler

Right after the Hospital explodes to be exact

 

[redfirebird2008]

I Saw ''Almost got'im'' yesterday:

KILLER CROC: I was hidding on the swears, when Batman showed up! So, I threw a rock on him!

JOKER: ...

TWO-FACE: ...

POISON IVY: ...

PENGUIN: ...

KILLER CROC: It was a BIG rock.

http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sounds...te=dontsmokecrack.txt&file=dontsmokecrack.wav

"And that brings me to my next point. DON'T...SMOKE...CRACK."

 

[stlblues84]

First off your not the first person to think of this. This bar scene takes place much earlier in the film.

Spoiler

Right after the Hospital explodes to be exact

my bad then...worth a shot...it is edited very oddly though.