The Dark Knight has anyone considered double jeapordy ending

[BatmanReborn]

everyone is quick to point out that joker is making a threat to the city that causes everyone to get on one of two ships to evacuate, and that the ships are rigged. well not for nothing, but all of gotham is not going to fit on two ships, so im thinkin the joker does strike the city, and people already scattered and evacuated, perhaps the boats are for the really important government officials, and the other boat for criminals or whatever. perhaps the rigged boats, where it has to be chosen which will blow is actually someone elses plot, and not jokers, someone who is obsessed with double jeapordy, and two boats, one good one bad, hmmmmmmmm
im thinkin its a twist, and dent is responsible, or should I say... Two-Face

through the whole film we are probably gonna be led to believe joker is the main villain, when in fact, in the end its two-face taking advantage of jokers antics to get his revenge

 

[Figs]

everyone is quick to point out that joker is making a threat to the city that causes everyone to get on one of two ships to evacuate, and that the ships are rigged. well not for nothing, but all of gotham is not going to fit on two ships, so im thinkin the joker does strike the city, and people already scattered and evacuated, perhaps the boats are for the really important government officials, and the other boat for criminals or whatever. perhaps the rigged boats, where it has to be chosen which will blow is actually someone elses plot, and not jokers, someone who is obsessed with double jeapordy, and two boats, one good one bad, hmmmmmmmm
im thinkin its a twist, and dent is responsible, or should I say... Two-Face

through the whole film we are probably gonna be led to believe joker is the main villain, when in fact, in the end its two-face taking advantage of jokers antics to get his revenge

That sounds pretty cool if that's the way they go with it! Especially with the Joker advertising the way they have been doing, like the "I believe in Harvey Dent too". Maybe there changin Harvey Dent from the comic alittle and having him pretend to be good when he already is really corrupt before he turns to Two Face. The Joker can see through his bull**** and that's why he is mocking him with the add.

 

[Compi716]

I LIKE IT!

It kind of has that TLH twist with

Spoiler

Dent being one of the Holidays.

 

[liederhaus]

The joy of this movie is going to be the reveal, because I can see it going either way. 1) Joker sees Harv's tendencies and creates the choice to push him towards his inevitable breaking point, one which is merely symbolized with the Maroni acid reflux; 2) Harv has been playing Geppetto throughout the movie. I'm predicting the former.

TRUST NOLAN

 

[BatmanReborn]

yes and no
i think harvey should have a secret past, something illegal he did when he first started out in law, maybe a case he cheated to win, to show that he is corrupt as well. now in present day, he is still living with "big bad harv" I really liked how they did it in the animated series, harvey is a force for good, but he already has a dark side, the scarring just brings it out into the open.

perhaps the riddler knows about his past and threatens to come forward with it. that would be a good tie in for him. maybe scacrecrow gasses him, and we see the bad side take over in his fears, theres a ton of ways they could let us know he is unstable before the full turn. personally i hope we dont see him as two-face untill the end, scarring him midway is fine, but dont show us the results untill the climax.
hey, maybe in a way similar to lecter and red dragon in "red dragon" riddler could be informing joker of dents real story, and thats why joker is mocking him, that would make dents hunt for joker all the more personal.

 

[the_monk]

It's Nolan, so you know something crazy is going to happen towards the end.

 

[Yurka]

everyone is quick to point out that joker is making a threat to the city that causes everyone to get on one of two ships to evacuate, and that the ships are rigged. well not for nothing, but all of gotham is not going to fit on two ships, so im thinkin the joker does strike the city, and people already scattered and evacuated, perhaps the boats are for the really important government officials, and the other boat for criminals or whatever. perhaps the rigged boats, where it has to be chosen which will blow is actually someone elses plot, and not jokers, someone who is obsessed with double jeapordy, and two boats, one good one bad, hmmmmmmmm
im thinkin its a twist, and dent is responsible, or should I say... Two-Face

through the whole film we are probably gonna be led to believe joker is the main villain, when in fact, in the end its two-face taking advantage of jokers antics to get his revenge

very interesting idea, I like it. I would be dissappointed if it ended like that though, I want the Joker to be the mastermind and Batman ends up stopping him, a twist would be cool but I dont want to see Harvey being a madman like that.
however we wont be sure until it comes out

 

[marcofthebeast]

They could show bats relationship with Gordon and Dent and then reveal they were flashbacks and Dent could already be causing mayhem as Two-Face.

 

[Two-Face]

They could show bats relationship with Gordon and Dent and then reveal they were flashbacks and Dent could already be causing mayhem as Two-Face.

You might as well show what Batman Forever did to Dent, it's almost going the same way.

 

[StorminNorman]

I LIKE IT!

It kind of has that TLH twist with

Spoiler

Dent being one of the Holidays.

Spoiler

you better mean Gilda, because Harvey sure wasn't

 

[BatmanReborn]

if you wanna get technical, harvey was also one of them

 

[Figs]

I might have to read it again, but I believe StorminNorman is right. It was Gilda, not Harvey! I think people are just assuming Harvey also had a hand in it just for the sake of it. There was no evidence, it was clearly Gilda.

 

[StorminNorman]

yes and no
i think harvey should have a secret past, something illegal he did when he first started out in law, maybe a case he cheated to win, to show that he is corrupt as well. now in present day, he is still living with "big bad harv" I really liked how they did it in the animated series, harvey is a force for good, but he already has a dark side, the scarring just brings it out into the open.

perhaps the riddler knows about his past and threatens to come forward with it. that would be a good tie in for him. maybe scacrecrow gasses him, and we see the bad side take over in his fears, theres a ton of ways they could let us know he is unstable before the full turn. personally i hope we dont see him as two-face untill the end, scarring him midway is fine, but dont show us the results untill the climax.
hey, maybe in a way similar to lecter and red dragon in "red dragon" riddler could be informing joker of dents real story, and thats why joker is mocking him, that would make dents hunt for joker all the more personal.

No.

No.

No.

If Harvey Dent is corrupt already, then it takes away the whole point of the character of Two Face, it takes away the tragedy, it takes away the emotional attachment you have to Harvey it ruins the character. Period.

That is why I hated the B:TAS version. We should never see Harvey be anything less than a great guy - because that is exactly what he is, a great guy. He is the hero of Gotham.

He should have a family history of mental problems, hell - maybe he faced them earlier in life, but he should of been able to over come those problems and become District Attorney of Gotham and serve honorably and greatly - until his last case where the pressures of the case continue to build, his frustration with the law increases and then, to top it all off, just as he was about to put the nail in the coffin with his key witness - the witness hits him with acid and justice fails. That (along with the LATENT mental problems) should cause his breakdown. That should cause Two Face.

 

[StorminNorman]

if you wanna get technical, harvey was also one of them

Harvey was never a killer.

Two Face is, Two Face did kill on a Holiday (I believe) after the court drama, but Harvey was never a Holiday Killer.

 

[marcofthebeast]

You might as well show what Batman Forever did to Dent, it's almost going the same way.

No, I mean in a longer series of flashbacks, Not the minute long origin we got in Forever. It would span the whole movie kind of like the Prestige or other Nolan movies.

 

[Crook]

Harvey was never a killer.

Two Face is, Two Face did kill on a Holiday (I believe) after the court drama, but Harvey was never a Holiday Killer.

Same person dude.

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

No.

No.

No.

If Harvey Dent is corrupt already, then it takes away the whole point of the character of Two Face, it takes away the tragedy, it takes away the emotional attachment you have to Harvey it ruins the character. Period.

That is why I hated the B:TAS version. We should never see Harvey be anything less than a great guy - because that is exactly what he is, a great guy. He is the hero of Gotham.

He should have a family history of mental problems, hell - maybe he faced them earlier in life, but he should of been able to over come those problems and become District Attorney of Gotham and serve honorably and greatly - until his last case where the pressures of the case continue to build, his frustration with the law increases and then, to top it all off, just as he was about to put the nail in the coffin with his key witness - the witness hits him with acid and justice fails. That (along with the LATENT mental problems) should cause his breakdown. That should cause Two Face.

I agree with you, but I think that Harvey should have gone overboard atleast once in some previous cases in the pursuit of justice. He should be one of those people who believe the end justifies the means.

 

[marcofthebeast]

And I agree he shouldn't start as a killer. Thats why flashbacks could come in handy. But this is if Two-Face is villian through-out the whole movie. I would prefer if the did some other way.

 

[Crook]

I agree with you, but I think that Harvey should have gone overboard atleast once in some previous cases in the pursuit of justice. He should be one of those people who believe the end justifies the means.

That's what the Two-Face persona is for.

Harvey tried going "by the book", but it failed him. So now he's doing things his way.

 

[Milkman95]

I bet the two ships is a Two-Face deal, and it's part of the twist at the end of the film......

This film is going to kick all types of ass!!

 

[Crook]

I haven't seen Insomnia yet, but all of Nolan's films do have some sort of twist in them. It's very possible.

 

[StorminNorman]

I agree with you, but I think that Harvey should have gone overboard atleast once in some previous cases in the pursuit of justice. He should be one of those people who believe the end justifies the means.

It depends to what extremes. If he at times blurs the lines of legal and not, fine - if he totally crosses the line, I would have a serious problem.

Harvey Dent respects the Law - again, if he didn't, Two Face wouldn't be interesting.

 

[StorminNorman]

And I agree he shouldn't start as a killer. Thats why flashbacks could come in handy. But this is if Two-Face is villian through-out the whole movie. I would prefer if the did some other way.

That would, quite frankly, be a horrible way to do Harvey Dent on film.

 

[BatmanReborn]

im not saying i want him to do anything villain like untill the end scene, but perhaps at some point in his past he did step over the line. he can still be gothams golden son, but he is hiding something. It adds more character, and if done right, you could like him more for it.
i was thinkin somehting to the affect of a guy is going on trial for murder, hell, maybe its joker before he is joker, and he is gonna be set free due to lack of evidence, maybe dent plants some. the ends would justify the means, but if someone could prove he did that, someone like joker, or riddler, they could use that to manipulate dent
again, i dont want two-face to show up till the end, hell, Id prefer if he was harvey through the whole thing, and didnt become two-face till the third film, but my theory still stands that its him behind the boats, so i dont think ill get my wish
there HAS to be some kind of personality conflict within him or when he becomes two-face it will not make any sense. a truly good person getting burnt on side of there face with acid by a criminal will still be a truly good person, sure they will want revenge, maybe even kill the guy who did it, but they wouldnt become a psychopath with split personalitites.

if theres something hidden, deep beneath the snow (lol, i snuck in a b&r line) then you can justify the snap when he is scarred

 

[Figs]

im not saying i want him to do anything villain like untill the end scene, but perhaps at some point in his past he did step over the line. he can still be gothams golden son, but he is hiding something. It adds more character, and if done right, you could like him more for it.
i was thinkin somehting to the affect of a guy is going on trial for murder, hell, maybe its joker before he is joker, and he is gonna be set free due to lack of evidence, maybe dent plants some. the ends would justify the means, but if someone could prove he did that, someone like joker, or riddler, they could use that to manipulate dent
again, i dont want two-face to show up till the end, hell, Id prefer if he was harvey through the whole thing, and didnt become two-face till the third film, but my theory still stands that its him behind the boats, so i dont think ill get my wish
there HAS to be some kind of personality conflict within him or when he becomes two-face it will not make any sense. a truly good person getting burnt on side of there face with acid by a criminal will still be a truly good person, sure they will want revenge, maybe even kill the guy who did it, but they wouldnt become a psychopath with split personalitites.

if theres something hidden, deep beneath the snow (lol, i snuck in a b&r line) then you can justify the snap when he is scarred

I never really thought of that until you brought it up. Then again until recently none of us had any idea that Two Face might appear in this film. Could definetly lead to a showdown of sorts with him and Batman. Which boatload of passengers survive all judged by the flip of a coin.