Has Fox hit a dead end with their Marvel Properties?

[SuperT]

Smh then face palm. it works in the comics. X-Men in the MCU will easily easily easily work

I don't really know about that. It's never made much logical sense to me personally since we live in a society where people here don't even know the difference between Hispanic/Latino, Japanese/Chinese/Korean, South Asian/East Asian, African/Caribbean I could go on. Yet, I'm suppose to believe that people would act differently in regards to mutants vs. artificially powered people? It's so illogical to me because in any society they would both be hated simply because they are different (i.e they have weird powers).

Can't believe a marvel fan would actually support the X-Men not being a part of the universe they were always intended to be a part of. Lol

I've been a Marvel fan since I was kid and the best stories from the X-Men have always been when they're off on their own, not tethered to whatever's happening in the larger universe. They always just seemed shoehorned in just because they are in that universe.

It's not an either/or situation, you can like the entire universe but still acknowledge that not everything works particularly well together or always needs to be together.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Quit ignoring the obvious guys

X-Men can easily exist in the MCU

Civil War planted the seeds, the public is afraid and the superheroes need to be held accountable.

A good chunk of people in the MCU are scared of super powered beings, they could just play up that aspect as soon as the X-Men are introduced


There is literally no good excuse AT ALL to keep the X-Men separate

You may like the Fox movies and want more, but there's no denying that the MCU could easily facilitate their introduction. I know for a fact that they already have a contingency plan if they ever are able to introduce them.

It would work.... Well. Fact

 

[Sithborg]

If X-men were with Marvel, we wouldn't have gotten Deadpool or the upcoming R-rated Wolverine. New Mutants definitely wouldn't be in the cards.

 

[SuperT]

I don't know if I would say New Mutants wouldn't be in the cards, but I would probably agree with you on Deadpool.

 

[WarMachine68]

What are we going to have a movie with 40 superheros in it? Each one gets 3 lines.

 

[Sithborg]

I don't know if I would say New Mutants wouldn't be in the cards, but I would probably agree with you on Deadpool.

Where would you fit it into Marvel's schedule? Spider-man already caused a major shifting of release dates. And I'm sure some of Marvel's movies wouldn't be in the cards if they were doing X-men as well. Simple logistics makes it almost impossible.

 

[BoredGuy]

Quit ignoring the obvious guys

X-Men can easily exist in the MCU

Civil War planted the seeds, the public is afraid and the superheroes need to be held accountable.

A good chunk of people in the MCU are scared of super powered beings, they could just play up that aspect as soon as the X-Men are introduced


There is literally no good excuse AT ALL to keep the X-Men separate

You may like the Fox movies and want more, but there's no denying that the MCU could easily facilitate their introduction. I know for a fact that they already have a contingency plan if they ever are able to introduce them.

It would work.... Well. Fact

What would be your idea for including them seamlessly?

I take it you would start with Prof X and the O5, and say mutants have just started to emerge, making them unknown to the general population??

but then, essentially, they'd be no more feared than the Inhumans, or even Cap's now Secret Avengers...?

 

[Rorschach2012]

No one is suggesting that Marvel should get the rights back, just a deal like Sony made. That way Fox can still make multiple X-Men films, they're just set within the MCU, and creatively controlled by Marvel

It is the best option. No denying. Fox is at the end of their ropes

 

[TheVileOne]

You make a good point there but let's be real, there's probably a lot of people who probably feel very different than you. Like me, for example: as someone who doesn't even watch tv series, what do I care about getting more of them. I prefer to get my fix of superheroes from the big screen, thank you very much.

Some of these characters aren't as well suited for big screen depictions.

 

[Sithborg]

No one is suggesting that Marvel should get the rights back, just a deal like Sony made. That way Fox can still make multiple X-Men films, they're just set within the MCU, and creatively controlled by Marvel

It is the best option. No denying. Fox is at the end of their ropes

That isn't exactly the Sony deal. Why in the hell would Fox give up creative control if they are doing all the heavy lifting?

 

[Logan0327]

No one is suggesting that Marvel should get the rights back, just a deal like Sony made. That way Fox can still make multiple X-Men films, they're just set within the MCU, and creatively controlled by Marvel

It is the best option. No denying. Fox is at the end of their ropes

yeah sure buddy lol deadpool is currently at 772 million WW yup end of the rope

 

[SuperT]

A good chunk of people in the MCU are scared of super powered beings, they could just play up that aspect as soon as the X-Men are introduced.

They're already doing that with the Inhumans...

 

[Rorschach2012]

I honestly think you guys are simply weird to not want the X-Men to be a part of the universe that they have always been in.

 

[SuperT]

I honestly think you guys are simply weird to not want the X-Men to be a part of the universe that they have always been in.

Or people just have a different opinion than you?

 

[Xrated48]

The only rights fox imo has to sell back to marvel is the fantastic four

 

[Mjölnir]

I grew up loving the X-Men but I've said for a long time that the core of that franchise works better alone than combined with tons of other superheroes. The fear of mutants is so much stronger when you don't have gods, monsters and tons of other super beings walking around, and somehow even many villains aren't as feared as good mutants by some. Even when others are feared as well it's still not the same themes that run through it, and the best X-Men stories I remember never had any of the other heroes in them.

I don't think the MCU needs the X-Men either. I think it's more interesting to focus on other solo hero properties and then weave them together, as far as the movies go. The X-Men are always best together imo.

 

[Tony Stark]

If X-men were with Marvel, we wouldn't have gotten Deadpool or the upcoming R-rated Wolverine. New Mutants definitely wouldn't be in the cards.

And Deadpool is the only one of those you mentioned that will make any money.

 

[Tony Stark]

Umm, it is very much going to cross $500 mil. It sounds like it is doing very well in China, which should still do well even when Warcraft cuts out its legs. While the results are not great, it is no where near apocalyptic.

Um yeah, they are going to lose money on it. The franchise is dead, and people are clearly not interested. TASM2 was a smash hit compared to how this is performing.

 

[DACrowe]

I honestly think you guys are simply weird to not want the X-Men to be a part of the universe that they have always been in.

I will take that as a compliment. Isn't weird something the X-Men always are supposed to be?

Seriously, it puzzles me just as much so many fans want all their comic book movies to have the exact same flavor, tone, and approach as Marvel Studios. I like the MCU when it works, but ugh, the lack of variety would be stifling.

 

[DACrowe]

DC has a chance to make money because I think people will be interested to see a Wonder Woman solo film and we have yet to see the impact of Suicide Squad.

XMA was pretty much a disaster public perception wise. I didn't expect it would perform as well as DOFP, but it's going to finish under 170M domestic and under 500M WW. That's utterly pathetic.

The last Wolverine movie finished 414M WW, is the next one going to do better? I doubt it.

You can call it my shadenfreude if you want, but you are denying reality if you don't think the X-men franchise is in jeopardy.

Deadpool is the only thing they have going at this point.

I never denied there s a problem. Yes, there is jeopardy if Fox does not evolve and adjust after Apocalypse that the franchise in another few installments could seriously flop.

But the difference between you and I is I think they have plenty of room to make those adjustments, not least of all because Deadpool just showed that mutant-based movies can be a huge hit if you inject something new audiences have never seen before (or think they've never seen before, at least) into it. Apocalypse, while very comic book like, was Singer exhausting his creative energies on it and did not offer anything organically new.

I think if, say, Edgar Wright directed the next X-Men movie with them going into space and in a trailer that looks radically different not just for the X-Men, but from anything that Marvel Studios or DC is doing? Yeah, just like a Deadpool trailer looked radically different from the rest of the marketplace, it could grab attention.

The difference is I see a problem and the need to improve. You see a problem and shout repeatedly, "It's a dead franchise!" The latter appears to be hyperbole to me.

 

[metaphysician]

I would actually be totally fine with an X-Men milieu that isn't especially based on "hated and feared". If anything, that's the only thing that would get me to even consider incorporating the X-Men into the MCU.

 

[DACrowe]

I would actually be totally fine with an X-Men milieu that isn't especially based on "hated and feared". If anything, that's the only thing that would get me to even consider incorporating the X-Men into the MCU.

I would agree that that could take a backseat for the next few films, because Singer has exhausted the theme for a long while. But you mean, you want a version where the mutants have never been hated and feared as a minority and never will be? That kind of defeats the whole purpose of the X-Men. At that point, you just have another Avengers team running around.

 

[SuperT]

I would actually be totally fine with an X-Men milieu that isn't especially based on "hated and feared". If anything, that's the only thing that would get me to even consider incorporating the X-Men into the MCU.

Then what's the point in doing the X-Men, just stick to the Inhumans. They'd be no different than The Avengers, The Defenders or any other Marvel team in that case. Part of the appeal of the X-Men (at least to me growing up) was that they were hated or distrusted for just being themselves and have no control of that. All the other fun superhero stuff was just an added bonus on top of the sundae.

Take that away, and what do you have?

 

[Spiderine]

I am more interested in the Inhumans now anyway. Why? Because it ventures into more cosmic themes involving advanced alien civilizations with the Kree and Skrulls. Marvel does have the rights to them? Right? More history that links them to the earth and how the earth will be caught in the middle of all this chaos. Introduction of the hidden royal family. Possible involvement with GOTG. Widespread fears from humans after the entire Thanos saga closes and the aftermath of all that. This will be more stories to exploit after IW.

A conflict that may pitt them against earth due to their Kree links. This feels like some fresh ideas to carry the franchise amongst other things. I just really feel like Xmen has gotten stale. Im not saying there aren't things they could do but a lot of it feels like retreading ground. And I have never cared much for Xmen going cosmic. That works much better with Inhumans being possibly set up.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Inhumans is not a priority for Marvel right now.

They need X-Men. The public is already scared of the superheroes as evidenced by ****ing the entire premise of Civil War.... They can just play that angle up even more when the X-Men get introduced