Has Fox hit a dead end with their Marvel Properties?

[Random490]

I wouldn't mind one more film focusing on Dark Phoenix in the 90's. Beyond that and Wolverine 3, I would just leave the X-men aside and focusing on more fringe characters Like Deadpool, Cable, X-force, Gambit. With the X-men in supporting or guest roles. Then if they don't roll into the mcu with a reboot just bring back the X-men then ignore what their ages should be and continue the movies set in present day. One of the surprising benefits of how they've handled the X-men franchise is how they don't give a crap about continuity. Just leave out what was bad, and continue with what worked. It's surprising how well it worked to their benefit. Might as well continue it and have Deadpool be the one to acknowledge it.

 

[Tony Stark]

talk about being delusional

That statement didn't come out right, if you read it in context of what I was saying is that Deadpool is their only property right now that i can see having a bright future. I meant I see them moving away from stuff like Gambit which will likely be another Elektra/Daredevil/XMO film for them.

 

[Tony Stark]

So, not a dead end then. You're saying they will hit the dead end with the next movie and haven't yet hit the dead end.

Things happen, sometimes the success or failure of movies doesn't always follow predictable patterns. There is a chance that the next X-men movie could be a big success. Who's to say that they won't cast a villain or other character who is a huge box office draw? Or have a budget that is commensurate with the type of box office they expect, so it doesn't need to be a massive blockbuster to make money.

They are in the business of making money, and XMA is making money. Would they rather make some money, on predictable returns (because they know there is a fanbase who will keep coming back to x-men movies), or risk their money on some random new thing like John Carter of Mars or something that they have no idea if it will lose tons of money?


And to people who are saying they need to reboot with fresh faces, isn't that what they just established in XMA??? We have a whole new young x-men cast, how is that not fresh?

I have no idea how many more movies they will make or if they will pull the plug on it because it isn't blockbuster enough or whatever, maybe you are right and it will die. But personally I'd love to see 3 more x-men movies, and in my previous post I outlined exactly the kinds of things I'd like to see in those movies. I think it would be epic, and then I'd go on to watch X-force movies or whatever.

As long as I like the movies, I'll still want more. XMA is very flawed and disappointing in several key areas, but it had enough in it that I did enjoy seeing. I don't really care about finances and bean counting, I just know that there's plenty more story to tell and more characters to see.

1.) They are going to lose money on XMA. Future X-men films will have dwindling budgets, have crappier effects and cheap actors.

which brings me to:

2.) Yeah they have a brand new cast of young X-men with actors who make actors on the CW look good, and no one cares about.

I remember how mad I was when they killed off Cyclops in the Last Stand. Now after seeing Tye Sheridan in the role, I actually hope they kill him off again.

 

[Chris B]

I'm wondering if the financial success that Spider-Man is seeing because of Sony exercising this option will play into the minds of executives/shareholders at Fox in any way. I don't think the odds are high, and I'm not trying to be a Marvel Studios shill by any means, but I can't help but think that the success of Spidey's reboot within Civil War and the likely BO success of Homecoming will change the entire superhero movie landscape more than a little. And if Spider-Man: Homecoming easily breaks a billion...well, then all bets are off about what will or will not happen. Fox is a business, and if teaming up with Disney/Marvel Studios makes the best business sense, then they could very well do it. I'm not going to hold my breath though, since there is a lot more than just money involved in that type of decision, and a lot of key things that still haven't happened yet.

Yeah, in light of the Sony deal, it really seems silly to me that Fox and Marvel don't try to pursue some kind of sharing deal with the X-Men (the FF should revert back to Marvel entirely). I understand that Marvel had much more of a business incentive due to the merchandise profits with Spider-Man, but a scenario where they regain access to one of their major intellectual property and Fox gains the security of a Marvel-produced X-Men films seems like a win-win for everyone involved if they could work of the details.

 

[WarMachine68]

I didn't mind the young x-men actors, because they are supposed to be newer recruits who don't know what they are doing yet and aren't confident. Now, if they grow up a bit and are supposed to be playing more established x-men, and they STILL looked like they were on some teen CW show, then yeah, that would be bad.

 

[StormC]

Not gonna lie, the idea of a recasted/rebooted Wolverine with a comic-accurate costume as an Avenger is awfully tempting.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Not gonna lie, the idea of a recasted/rebooted Wolverine with a comic-accurate costume as an Avenger is awfully tempting.

Seriously

Tom Hardy for MCU Wolverine

Just ****ing reboot in the MCU already, it's time

 

[DACrowe]

1.) They are going to lose money on XMA. Future X-men films will have dwindling budgets, have crappier effects and cheap actors.

which brings me to:

2.) Yeah they have a brand new cast of young X-men with actors who make actors on the CW look good, and no one cares about.

I remember how mad I was when they killed off Cyclops in the Last Stand. Now after seeing Tye Sheridan in the role, I actually hope they kill him off again.

The fact you call Tye Sheridan worse than CW actor, as well as Sophie Turner, shows you are just trolling at this point. Sheridan was better at 14 in Mud than many actors cast in any superhero property, especially including James Marsden. He was also good in Apocalypse.

At this point, you're just getting off on the hate.

Also, Apocalypse is going to make money. The problem is it won't make a lot of money for its investment. So, there is a problem but you are reveling in it to hyperbolic degrees.

Not gonna lie, the idea of a recasted/rebooted Wolverine with a comic-accurate costume as an Avenger is awfully tempting.

I just don't get this mindset. Maybe it's because I didn't grow up watching the MCU, but as good as it is, I don't like the idea of everything being the same. The idea of Marvel rebooting X-Men and making them like everything else Marvel touches has zero appeal to me, because I like variety and different aesthetics. Marvel Studios is very good to its characters, but their movies mostly feel and look the same. I'd hate to see X-Men devalue into that fate.

For example, even at its weakest point in this decade, X-Men: Apocalypse, there are a few great moments in that movie like Magneto losing his family, which is superbly played by Michael Fassbender. In no world, would Marvel Studios put a scene like that in one of their films. As a whole Apocalypse is not that great, and Civil War is loads better. But the opportunities of having a separate world that is not all the same is more appealing than seeing Wolverine make cracks at Spidey. But I know I am in the minority on this.

 

[Abudefduf]

The day Marvel Studios get the rights to the X-Men back is the day we can forever say goodbye to any chance of ever seeing She-Hulk, Moon Knight, Blade etc. on the big screen.

Man, I so wish Fox would just get their **** together and finally do those characters some justice, so we wouldn't have to hear about all this "give the rights back to Marvel!" stuff anymore.
The Fantastic Four on the other hand, yep, I definitely agree that those guys belong to MS.

 

[regnak]

The day Marvel Studios get the rights to the X-Men back is the day we can forever say goodbye to any chance of ever seeing She-Hulk, Moon Knight, Blade etc. on the big screen.

Man, I so wish Fox would just get their **** together and finally do those characters some justice, so we wouldn't have to hear about all this "give the rights back to Marvel!" stuff anymore.
The Fantastic Four on the other hand, yep, I definitely agree that those guys belong to MS.

Agreed, not having the X-Men has been good for the MCU. FF is a different matter entirely.

 

[Abudefduf]

Yeah I mean, let's be real here, had the rights for the X-Men been with Marvel from the start we would have probably never gotten a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. And forget about Black Panther or Captain Marvel.

I don't think some people realize how beneficial the lack of the X-Men has been for the MCU so far. MS can survive just fine without the X-Men, and viceversa.

 

[StormC]

To be honest, I don't think the X-Men should be at the MCU, either. It's too overstuffed at this point. I'd just like Wolverine to be an Avenger.

 

[Mad Ones]

The fact you call Tye Sheridan worse than CW actor, as well as Sophie Turner, shows you are just trolling at this point. Sheridan was better at 14 in Mud than many actors cast in any superhero property, especially including James Marsden. He was also good in Apocalypse.

At this point, you're just getting off on the hate.

Also, Apocalypse is going to make money. The problem is it won't make a lot of money for its investment. So, there is a problem but you are reveling in it to hyperbolic degrees.



I just don't get this mindset. Maybe it's because I didn't grow up watching the MCU, but as good as it is, I don't like the idea of everything being the same. The idea of Marvel rebooting X-Men and making them like everything else Marvel touches has zero appeal to me, because I like variety and different aesthetics. Marvel Studios is very good to its characters, but their movies mostly feel and look the same. I'd hate to see X-Men devalue into that fate.

For example, even at its weakest point in this decade, X-Men: Apocalypse, there are a few great moments in that movie like Magneto losing his family, which is superbly played by Michael Fassbender. In no world, would Marvel Studios put a scene like that in one of their films. As a whole Apocalypse is not that great, and Civil War is loads better. But the opportunities of having a separate world that is not all the same is more appealing than seeing Wolverine make cracks at Spidey. But I know I am in the minority on this.

Agreed 100%

 

[SirStrangefolk]

I don't think the problem is so much fatigue with the X-properties. It's just that FOX has no vision. They make every movie almost the same, they waste characters that could headline their own films on cameos only to look pretty or show of a cool special effect, instead of being given any actual character. They pointlessly kill off characters. No thought seems to go into making sure possibilities are kept open and they only look at each movie individually with no thoughts about what future movies could be made.

But it seems they didn't even realize a movie not about Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto or Jennifer Lawrence under the title of "X-Men" or "Wolverine" could even work until Deadpool succeeded. And even then it seems they think it works because it was R-rated and not because it actually took the things that made the source material great. Only now are they starting to make things like New Mutants and X-Force.

If they'd focus on making compelling movies with interesting characters instead of shoving in a bunch of mutants to show of a special effect or look pretty these movies could go on forever. Believe it or not, Emma Frost, Banshee, Polaris, Havok, Kitty Pryde, Jubilee, Psylocke, Northstar, Wolfsbane, Syrin, Cable, Madrox, Magik, Blink, Sunspot, Cannonball, Domino, Warpath, Bishop and many more could be major characters or even main characters if they were used for more than special effects and weren't killed off after one movie. But it seems they can't even do leaders like Cyclops or Storm right, so I guess this will never happen...

For example, if I were at FOX I'd be like "Well, these space movies like Star Wars and Guardians of the Galaxy sure seem popular. We have the rights to a whole bunch of stuff like the Shi'ar, Strontians, Brood, Starjammers, etc. Maybe we could think about doing something like that. The Starjammers seem like the most well suited for a movie, so let's keep our options to do that movie open. Maybe we can't figure it out, but until we know for sure, let's at least not kill off any characters or make it very hard for them to be on this team. All we need to do is make sure Havok lives and we leave the possibility for Corsair and Polaris to appear open and don't make it unnecessarily hard for ourselves to potentially make such a movie."

Do you think they ever even considered they could make succesfull movies out of X-Factor, Excalibur, Exiles, Alpha Flight, Starjammers and a whole bunch of other mutants?

 

[Logan0327]

i love how XMA is the first badly reviewed x men film since 2009 and apparently it need to be rebooted,franchise is stale,sell back to marvel,etc. lol

 

[Chris B]

Yeah I mean, let's be real here, had the rights for the X-Men been with Marvel from the start we would have probably never gotten a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. And forget about Black Panther or Captain Marvel.

I don't think some people realize how beneficial the lack of the X-Men has been for the MCU so far. MS can survive just fine without the X-Men, and viceversa.

Yeah, I'd agree that it is probably better that they don't have them for now at least and that Marvel getting them back isn't really a high priority right now despite being someone who'd love to see the X-Men included in the MCU.

 

[Sithborg]

This thread is weird with Legion coming out. I fail to see how that is anything close to a creative dead end.

 

[chamber-music]

Legion has nothing to do with the movie x-men universe and has the acclaimed writer behind Fargo working on it.

 

[Sithborg]

Do the movies only matter?

 

[Knight_SV]

that's what you get for 16 years wasting time on likes of wolverine/xavier/magneto/mystique. While wolverine has already popular he is much a loner and initially was not an X-Man, Xavier not an active role guy but a mentor, both magneto and mystique are villain, but developed more than all the actuall X-Men. and now fox has made Quicksilver who is not an actual X-Men popular with his overrated scene. Despite it poplarity, evan peters isn't a big star and he along with jlaw is not enough to save XMA from underperforming.
there's no need for the right to be reverted at marvel, we fans just wanted the movie done right by pulling the essence of the source material on the big screen. just like how deadpool made

 

[Tony Stark]

This thread is weird with Legion coming out. I fail to see how that is anything close to a creative dead end.

TV is a hit or miss proposition. The movies are pretty much at a dead end. Horrible drop this weekend, that nearly rivaled BvS' second week plunge.

 

[DACrowe]

And yet we're getting three more movies in the DC universe in the next 18 months.

Are they in a dead end too? I think Snyder might be, but again you are oversimplifying things to fit your schadenfreude. And it is showing.

 

[Erzengel]

DC is in a bad position. With each movie that comes out, they are already on to the next movie.

They were filming Wonder Woman, post production SS before BvS came out.
Now with SS coming out they are filming JL, and post production WW.
When WW comes out, they will post production JL and probably filming Aquaman or Flash.

It's a cycle.

As of right now, the only X-Men movie with a definite release date is Wolverine 3. While movies like Deadpool 2 and New Mutants are slated for release, there's been no official date and principal photography hasn't been done.

So Fox doesn't have that type schedule.

 

[Tony Stark]

And yet we're getting three more movies in the DC universe in the next 18 months.

Are they in a dead end too? I think Snyder might be, but again you are oversimplifying things to fit your schadenfreude. And it is showing.

DC has a chance to make money because I think people will be interested to see a Wonder Woman solo film and we have yet to see the impact of Suicide Squad.

XMA was pretty much a disaster public perception wise. I didn't expect it would perform as well as DOFP, but it's going to finish under 170M domestic and under 500M WW. That's utterly pathetic.

The last Wolverine movie finished 414M WW, is the next one going to do better? I doubt it.

You can call it my shadenfreude if you want, but you are denying reality if you don't think the X-men franchise is in jeopardy.

Deadpool is the only thing they have going at this point.

 

[Sithborg]

DC has a chance to make money because I think people will be interested to see a Wonder Woman solo film and we have yet to see the impact of Suicide Squad.

XMA was pretty much a disaster public perception wise. I didn't expect it would perform as well as DOFP, but it's going to finish under 170M domestic and under 500M WW. That's utterly pathetic.

The last Wolverine movie finished 414M WW, is the next one going to do better? I doubt it.

You can call it my shadenfreude if you want, but you are denying reality if you don't think the X-men franchise is in jeopardy.

Deadpool is the only thing they have going at this point.

Umm, it is very much going to cross $500 mil. It sounds like it is doing very well in China, which should still do well even when Warcraft cuts out its legs. While the results are not great, it is no where near apocalyptic.