HBO's True Detective - Part 2

[Kane52630]

............ sure.

 

[Smilodon]

I didn't realize it, but Pizzolatto's had a second writer on board this season in Scott Lasser, who co-wrote episode 4/6 with Pizzolatto. Don't know anything about him but I guess he's had help and been more collaborative this season!

 

[ThePhantasm]

....as for this season I think Its safe to say it's disappointing, but that doesn't mean it's been awful. This **** is still better than most shows out there.

yeah this is basically how i feel about it

 

[slimshady247]

 

[chamber-music]

I thought this was probably the best episode of season so far.

The party was and coffee chat sense were tense.

I liked Frank's talk with the kid.

Sometimes I miss a Marty style character this season to call Frank out when he does one of Pizzolatto's cod philosophy monologuing speeches. The first season had that little sense of realism that if someone went around talking weird stuff Pizzolatto writes then people would find them strange.

Ani was true to her word.

“Fundamental difference between the sexes is that one of them can kill the other with their bare hands. Man of any size lays hands on me, he’s going to bleed out in under a minute.”

Loved Ray's visit to the rapist in prison.

That relapse scene was probably an average night for Colin Farrell back in the day considering he has said he was so high on cocaine early in his career that he doesn't remember making movies like Minority Report.

I think they should have less leads next season.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I really loved this episode and think it's only getting better. I thought we got the best of both worlds for the first time. These characters remain so well developed and interesting while pushing the case in a significant direction. There's been so many setbacks, the gang is finally back and cracking and they're a great team. I just still love these gang of misfits fitting together because they're all they really got by this point and are the most consistent part of their ****ed up lives. This was probably the most emotional episode in the entire show yet. Ray's meltdown was heartbreaking (seriously, if anything, Farrell needs an Emmy nom next year though I doubt he'll get it), Frank's scene with the little boy (Vaughn's best performance in the season yet) and we finally know what makes Ani the way she is. It was brutal and emotional, and intense. To me, Ani trying to get the **** out of there was just as intense as Rust getting out with Ginger in the projects. I really didn't think she was gonna make it out. Or at least one of them was going to bite it.

I loved the music in the orgy scene. Old fashioned but the juxtaposition made it really creepy.

I get the disappointment of this show and that it isn't as good as the last season (I love it just as much for totally different reasons) but I think the hate has reached hyperbole in some places. People are acting like this is Dexter season 6 or something. I'm enjoying this more than Hannibal's new season myself, as much as I think it's great.

 

[BestGirl]

The only parts of the episode I really didn't like were the coffee chat in the beginning and Frank's conversation with Stan's family. The coffee chat gave me flashbacks to the premiere when it seemed like everyone spoke in a monotone with dead eyes.

I also don't understand what the showrunners were thinking with Stan. They barely show him in the first couple of episodes, kill him off-screen, then introduce his family a few episodes later and act like the audience should know who these people are and what relationship they (and Stan) had with Frank. It's hard to imagine professionals wrote these scenes.

 

[Doctor Jones]

The only parts of the episode I really didn't like were the coffee chat in the beginning and Frank's conversation with Stan's family. The coffee chat gave me flashbacks to the premiere when it seemed like everyone spoke in a monotone with dead eyes.

I also don't understand what the showrunners were thinking with Stan. They barely show him in the first couple of episodes, kill him off-screen, then introduce his family a few episodes later and act like the audience should know who these people are and what relationship they (and Stan) had with Frank. It's hard to imagine professionals wrote these scenes.

I thought Pizzolatto gave us what we wanted and started off the episode with a stand off that was very tense. I also thought Frank was in danger of biting it. Then again, Ray can't kill Frank because he'd only sink deeper and deeper into the hole that Frank dug for him.

I think it had more to do with how it affects Frank directly. I get that aspect, but I wasn't bothered by it. The boy was robbed of a father by Frank who in turn was robbed of a father as a boy. It had nice symmetry. I personally don't need to care about the guy who died, more how it affects Frank.

 

[Golgo-13]

McAdams with the knife!

The music during the party was just weird. I couldn't tell if it was actually playing in the house, or was playing over the scene…..

 

[TheBat812]

McAdams with the knife!

The music during the party was just weird. I couldn't tell if it was actually playing in the house, or was playing over the scene…..

It was totally fine during the party scene because of her perspective being drugged. It was distracting when it continued in the real space when they cut back to Velcoro and Kitchner because it had just been representing her state of mind. It was a bold choice, and I can see why it's throwing people off, especially since the show has never shown anything like this before.

It's a cool choice tho, it makes the Velcoro parts feel like a bond spy scene.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Doctor Jones]

McAdams with the knife!

The music during the party was just weird. I couldn't tell if it was actually playing in the house, or was playing over the scene…..

It's over the party scene but it also becomes the soundtrack to the entire scene. This happens a lot in movies and tv. I really loved the music and it really made the whole scene. Very Hitchcockian.

 

[Uptown Finest]

One of his best lines this season if not his best.

 

[BestGirl]

Admittedly, there aren't many to choose from.

 

[Uptown Finest]

Admittedly, there aren't many to choose from.

Sadly yes.

 

[MadVillainy]

The best one by far is and always will be:

If you ever bully or hurt anybody again, I'll come back and butt-f*** your father with your mom's headless corpse on this g****n lawn

It's like poetry

 

[Golgo-13]

People are probably going to be comparing s1 of Fargo to the upcoming season..and then complain about that.

Really, s1 of this isn't as great as people make it out to be. It had it's moments but it was more of a slow burn that ended great. I think this season just has too many leads, therefore the material/attention is split 4 ways, as opposed to last season where it was just split between 2.

I don't have a problem with this season. They are two completely different stories..that's the way you have to look at it….

 

[Sawyer]

Saw this quote on retweeted on Twitter earlier...

And poor Rachel McAdams. Regina George has the unenviable task of portraying the literal manifestation of the Dear John letter wrapped around a brick that Pizzolatto has penned and heaved at the glass ceiling all female protagonists in crime fiction live under. His tone deaf and labored "tough chick" archetypal ****ery is why you don't bother asking for diversity from guys who would basically be Tucker Max if they hadn't read a couple of Alan Moore comics growing up.

Half of me thinks the writer of that piece is being a little harsh on Pizzolatto. The other half is laughing his ass off.

 

[Broseph44]

People are probably going to be comparing s1 of Fargo to the upcoming season..and then complain about that.

Really, s1 of this isn't as great as people make it out to be. It had it's moments but it was more of a slow burn that ended great. I think this season just has too many leads, therefore the material/attention is split 4 ways, as opposed to last season where it was just split between 2.

I don't have a problem with this season. They are two completely different stories..that's the way you have to look at it….

Nah I think season 1 is definitely as great as people make it out to be.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Season 1 was more tightly plotted than this one, and focused on one central relationship: Rust and Marty.

This season is all over the place. In one sense I think it intends to be all over the place, hence the meaning of all the overhead shots of the tangled highways and bypasses, representing the ins-and-outs of the plot. The season is frustrating, even disorienting, because there's not an easily accessible core to latch on to. I suspect the next two episodes might untangle things quite a bit and all these roads will converge in a major way, but I may be wrong.

It also seems the major theme of this season is something to do with sex or sexual abuse. I don't know what it all means though.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

You can try to put down TD's first season as much as you want (for those who do that), there is no denying that it IS great great television.

I've been a defender of season 2 from the beginning, keeping an open mind, knowing full well that it is somewhat silly to compare the two seasons, that people who did that were of course going to hate it, but I have to admit that the comparison is inevitable and season 2 is honestly not anywhere near the same level as the first, no matter how much I like it.


All the reasons have been given, what is annoying is to see Pizzaman being called a hack in some places, that Cary Joji Fukunaga made the first season what it was, but truth is, it's just a combination of elements.

Pizzaman makes True Detective what it is, but having a unified, coherent vision by one director on an entire series along with one writer is what makes the first season as great as it is.

Not to lack respect to the multiple directors of season 2, but with this season, we go back to the "writer is king" in a TV medium with Justin Lin establishing the look and tone of the series, but that guy's not anywhere near Fukunaga's level and then we got basically hired guns, the guys that direct episodes of GOT, or stuff like that, who just come in and do the job, nothing more, nothing less.

Season 1 had a much more cinematic and film like approach where it definitely seems and feels like Fukunaga had as much "power" and influence as he would have in the movie or film medium.

Season 2 doesn't have that, there was that rumor that Friedkin would come in and direct a few episodes, that didn't happen. Pizzaman also didn't have nearly as much time to write it as he did this one.

Add to that the diluted focus of having four characters instead of two, of having Vince Vaughn, who people are so used to seeing as a comedic, one note actor (I really like him but he has no range really, he does do what he does really well), saddled with corny, awkward lines every episode (another actor would definitely make it sound much better), a more conventional storyline, and you get something that's not nearly as interesting.

With that said, I really like season 2 but it's definitely heavily flawed, I love Taylor Kitsch but he has nothing to do with his character, I get why he was so excited to be part of the project, but his arc has literally no bearing on the story whatsoever, you could argue that Ani's character doesn't really as well though.

Colin is a clear MVP, he's great as expected, let's hope Pizzaman takes more time with the likely third season, gets a great up and coming director to come on board for the whole gig (I'm kind of dreaming of a Jeff Nichols-led TD season, or Derek Cianfrance, they would be great fits).

 

[killface]

I hope season 3 of True Detective follows what House of Cards did. David Fincher set a distinct visual style with the first few episodes he directed. When the other directors took over, there wasn't much drop-off with the visuals.

My pick for the director of season 3 of True Detective? David Fincher of course. t:

Thinking back of the orgy sequence from the last episode, I think Nicholas Winding Refn would have been a good choice to be this season's director.

 

[mad pigeon]

If we get season 3, I want less main characters, darker plot and some badass actors. But I can't see TD getting more than four seasons though.

 

[Dyson]

I think Miguel Sapochnik (director of S2 E6) would be a great pick to direct all 8 episodes of a third season. "Church in Ruins" is one the best episodes of the whole series.

For a third season, I'd love to see an older detective team up with a younger detective. For the older detective, someone like Bill Paxton, J.K. Simmons or Geena Davis. For a younger detective, I'm thinking someone like Garrett Hedlund, Anna Kendrick or Boyd Holbrook.

Plus, I would love to see the mystery be around the death of a cop.

I kind of wish the storyline for the film "Narc" could be used for a third season.

 

[ThePhantasm]

this might be a stupid question but... why exactly was the episode called "church in ruins"?