HBO's True Detective - Part 2

[Doctor Jones]

"I thought that the script was bad, so I didn’t do it."

Haha

Says the man who was in Jason X.

TrueDetective season 3 up in the air as @HBO inks deal with Nic Pizzolatto through 2018 http://bit.ly/1l3BwEv

I would love to see him write alone, but if this thing needs to be out by next year, then he might have to get a staff of writers to help him. Season one had the benefit of having a much longer prep than most television shows which enabled Fukunaga to direct all eight and for Pizzolatto to do it all himself. It was such an anomaly in American television. I can wait two more years for a third season if that means he writes alone and can take the time and they can match that success.

But if he gets a staff, he can still maintain all the control he wants to. Showrunners can rewrite their staff's scripts if they're that way. It'll be a lot easier for him because it's so much to handle on a television schedule.

 

[BestGirl]

After season 2, Pizzolatto has lost the right to pen his own scripts. I applaud this decision to have him supervise professional writers.

 

[Anderson Reiner]

After season 2, Pizzolatto has lost the right to pen his own scripts. I applaud this decision to have him supervise professional writers.

Yes, better wait more time and give us a incredible show (like the season 1).
I guess that the season 3 could talk about a policial investigation where, we (public), don't know the truth of facts, how had showed in Homeland (where us didn't know if Claire was correct or if she was crazy).

Other approach interesting went Battlestar Galactica, where Adama and the President followed for differents ways, but both were correct, each one of your vision. We understand the wrong decisions, because the urgency and despair situations.

 

[Uptown Finest]

Somewhere like Nebraska, Kansas, or Wyoming would definitely be neat.

Yeah and create a gothic, eerie Midwest setting. The cold and snow with the winter theme be perfect for this.

 

[MadVillainy]

Give it to a staff or writers. And I still say get 1 director unless they want to do this in time for something next year

What do you guys think would be good settings for future seasons? I'd like them to be more esoteric cities/towns that haven't been overused in media.

I'm not sure. I dont know how many shows/movies have done this other than Detroit 187, but I think Detroit could be cool. However, I feel like with Detroit you'll get most of the same things you get with other big cities.

I did think that having it on a Texas/Mexico border town couldve been really cool. But The Bridge on FX kinda did that already.

Honestly, I'm concerned about the characters than the setting.

A city or town in the Midwest for next season could be interesting.

Fargo has that covered

 

[Uptown Finest]

Give it to a staff or writers. And I still say get 1 director unless they want to do this in time for something next year


I'm not sure. I dont know how many shows/movies have done this other than Detroit 187, but I think Detroit could be cool. However, I feel like with Detroit you'll get most of the same things you get with other big cities.

I did think that having it on a Texas/Mexico border town couldve been really cool. But The Bridge on FX kinda did that already.

Honestly, I'm concerned about the characters than the setting.



Fargo has that covered

It can be different., and if you go with Detroit that's in the Midwest too.

 

[Fallen Angel]

The usual list of Hollywood names will come up for season 3 I suppose.

 

[Schlosser85]

Tom Hardy I think could be great as a brooding detective on a show like this.

Jessica Chastain could be great too.

 

[antsman41]

It is slightly sad for Nic, sort of funny and awesome that Noah is being given two more shows by FX, making that 3 total... with Fargo excellent success of s1 and continual praise/stakes raised with s2.

And, Nic barely has full control over his 1 show after the abysmal and slammed s2.

 

[Warhammer]

I want the next season to be grandiose. Like a major city other than NYC, Boston, Chicago, and LA. Give us Atlanta, Philadelphia, Houston, San Diego, Seattle, etc.

 

[Smilodon]

I think Pierce Brosnan needs a great TV role. Matt Zoller Seitz suggested The Americans but...I can see him on True Detective.

 

[Anderson Reiner]

I think Pierce Brosnan needs a great TV role. Matt Zoller Seitz suggested The Americans but...I can see him on True Detective.

Yes, Pierce Brosnan is a good actor, and i think his would accept, he is able to carry this show very well.

Other name interesting (i think) is Hugh Laurie. After finished Dr. House, he's disappeared. Hugh is very good, it certainly work.

 

[rashad]

Michael Lombardo opens up about what he learned from "True Detective" season two;

When a show doesn’t work, how do you figure out what went wrong? I’m going to talk about a specific show, “True Detective.” The first season was extraordinary television. The second season — and you may disagree with me — but a lot of people think it was an inferior version of the first season. What are the lessons you take away?

Our biggest failures — and I don’t know if I would consider “True Detective 2” — but when we tell somebody to hit an air date as opposed to allowing the writing to find its own natural resting place, when it’s ready, when it’s baked — we’ve failed. And I think in this particular case, the first season of “True Detective” was something that Nic Pizzolatto had been thinking about, gestating, for a long period of time. He’s a soulful writer. I think what we did was go, “Great.” And I take the blame. I became too much of a network executive at that point. We had huge success. “Gee, I’d love to repeat that next year.”

Well, you know what? I set him up. To deliver, in a very short time frame, something that became very challenging to deliver. That’s not what that show is. He had to reinvent the wheel, so to speak. Find his muse. And so I think that’s what I learned from it. Don’t do that anymore.

And I’d love to have the enviable certainty of knowing what my next year looks like. I could pencil things in. But I’m not going to start betting on them until the scripts are done.

http://www.scpr.org/programs/the-fr...-michael-lombardo-supports-equal-opportunity/

 

[Marvolo]

I'd rather the wait to do season 3 when the writers feel they have a good quality story. If it takes a couple years then so be it. It's an anthology series. We don't need a new season every year.

 

[Sawyer]

I don't want to make too many excuses for Pizzolatto, because I really do think season 2 was, for the most part, a complete turd... but I think that reasoning checks out. The guy is a novelist. The anthology concept basically affords him the opportunity to make a novel on TV each season. To expect a fresh one on a year-round schedule, with the same results? I just don't know that it can be done.

I'm sure people will bring up Fargo having largely the same format and say how it stuck the landing two years in a row, but Noah Hawley's been a TV writer for decade. Pizzolatto's TV writing experience before TD consists of two episodes of The Killing a few years prior to TD getting greenlit. Otherwise, novels/prose. I just think there's a different skill set in play.

If Larry David can be given his own timetable to cook up new episodes of Curb Your Enthusiasm, I think Pizzolatto can be given the same chance to create an overall better product.

 

[Paradox1]

Artist need deadlines it's the only way some of us get any work done. I have projects sitting on my desk I have been procrastinating on for months because there are no deadlines. If there was a deadline I'd complain about it on and on but it would force me to focus on one thing. What was wrong with season two failed in its initial stage of development. It failed as season not because the dialogue was off, it was a bad story. Dialogue written by Shakespeare couldn't have saved that season.

Someone should of told him the story isn't good but I suspect he was surrounded by yes man like George Lucas during the prequels. No one told him the truth or he didn't listen and we all suffered.

 

[James]

Artist need deadlines it's the only way some of us get any work done. I have projects sitting on my desk I have been procrastinating on for months because there are no deadlines. If there was a deadline I'd complain about it on and on but it would force me to focus on one thing.

Sure, but would that one thing with the deadline end up being as good as it would have been if you'd worked on it without a deadline? I'm a big believer in someone working on something with passion producing a far better end product than being bogged down by the pressure of a finish date. I'm not saying it won't always be a lesser result with a deadline, but the majority of the time? Definitely.

I doubt Pizzolatto had a bunch of butt-kissers around him telling him everything was gold like George Lucas. It sounds more like he had a bunch of people telling him to get his A into G because the deadline's coming up quick. Had Pizzolatto been able to work on Season 2 in his own time with no hard deadline it could have, and I believe probably would have, turned out a great deal better. As it stands we ended up with a bunch of potentially great ideas muddied together because, at least according to Lombardo, Pizzolatto wasn't allowed the appropriate time frame to fully develop them.

I'd be more than happy waiting however it long it takes to get a quality season, rather than churning out one a year and hoping it falls more on the good side than the garbage.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Just finished this and 5-8 are solid to good. Eh, I ain't on board the hate train.

Kelly Reilly.

Colin Farrell as mvp.

 

[squeekness]

Got my season 2 in today's mail. Gonna crack that open later today.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'd rather the wait to do season 3 when the writers feel they have a good quality story. If it takes a couple years then so be it. It's an anthology series. We don't need a new season every year.

Agreed. A season of this show is the equivalent of waiting for a film for me. If it means I have to wait two or three years for a new season if the quality is great then I'm okay with that.

Sure, but would that one thing with the deadline end up being as good as it would have been if you'd worked on it without a deadline? I'm a big believer in someone working on something with passion producing a far better end product than being bogged down by the pressure of a finish date. I'm not saying it won't always be a lesser result with a deadline, but the majority of the time? Definitely.

I doubt Pizzolatto had a bunch of butt-kissers around him telling him everything was gold like George Lucas. It sounds more like he had a bunch of people telling him to get his A into G because the deadline's coming up quick. Had Pizzolatto been able to work on Season 2 in his own time with no hard deadline it could have, and I believe probably would have, turned out a great deal better. As it stands we ended up with a bunch of potentially great ideas muddied together because, at least according to Lombardo, Pizzolatto wasn't allowed the appropriate time frame to fully develop them.

I'd be more than happy waiting however it long it takes to get a quality season, rather than churning out one a year and hoping it falls more on the good side than the garbage.

I've been thinking about this for a while too and this was one of those things I figured. Pizzolatto prefers to write alone but that doesn't mix with a conventional television air schedule. I think he can still write alone again but he just needs a lot more time. He makes a good point where season one had been there "gestating" for a long time, plus combined with the longer production time you had season one. Season two was all done in a year. Wait for Pizzolatto and then once he gets the inspiration he'll have the time too to write it all out. This ain't like Martin with ASOIAF where I'm getting impatient.

I still think this season got WAY too much hate. One of the worst shows on television? Come on. Look at 95% at network television and there's your worst television. Let's put things into perspective here. I think some people's overall disappointment just started to be taken over of any objective view and just turned into plain venom and on the internet it just catches on better. I'm not saying all of the criticisms are unfounded and unjustified but to me I think the fact it's in season one's shadow makes things harder for it.

Nice to see it nominated for a PGA award though. I was pretty surprised. If American Horror Story can continue to get nominated then there's no reason why this season can't.

I still preferred this season to Fargo. Hawley is better with plot and structure but Pizzolatto is best with character and character is always king for me. For the life of me I can't remember most of the names on Fargo. *shrugs* This season just didn't do much for me like other people. And it's not because I'm jealous. I was legit excited for Fargo even after TD2 ended. And this season finale was a lot better than Fargo's which was kind of an afterthought.

 

[Sawyer]

Last season was s***. Plain and simple. It was a chore to get through in virtually every way. Diverting attention or throwing generalizations at network television won't save it. It's getting the criticism it deserves.

 

[Doctor Jones]

It kind of does broadly though if we're making a list. But in terms of HBO? Not as up to snuff though GOT has been going down hill and never has been as good as season one, yet for some reason the majority seem still think it's great. People still go ape**** for a show that is nowhere near as good as the books. So I guess I'm coming from the opposite this time. But network television aside, TD2 was no Dexter season 6 or 8. I guess I just have a different relative view of what's bad television.

I get fundamentally why it's disappointing and its criticism but I do think there was a lot of great writing there that got overlooked. It's still got soul to it with some very memorable characters where I don't really find myself attached to in television as much. Even in terms of Pizzolatto's approach of structure and character building which I appreciate more. At the very least, he gave us Ray Velcoro who is the best character in television last year.

 

[BestGirl]

Yeas, Velcoro was an awesome character but he was seriously the only really good thing about season 2. Everything else was just awful - especially Frank.

 

[antsman41]

I still am holding out hope that s3 is Alison Brie and Brie Larson kicking ass in Detroit.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Yeas, Velcoro was an awesome character but he was seriously the only really good thing about season 2. Everything else was just awful - especially Frank.

Frank was great on paper I just don't think Vaughn was up to snuff at times with the material. Pizzolatto is a very specific type of writer where his lines are great on paper but if the actor can't nail their lines, it comes off as wonky.

There's reasons why McConaughey was praised so much. He took what could have been delivered as garbled messy dialogue in the hands of a lesser actor and made it mesmerizing and totally his own.