Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - Part 15

[Micromind]

We don't know that. For all we know he could have worn it for the entire final fight. All of the Superman scenes were reshot afterall minus some stuff in the cornfield, most of the heroes park fight and the final scene where he patches things up with Bruce.

Some of the scenes where Supes fights Steppenwolf are from Snyders Cut with blue suit intact so we do know he didn’t wear the black suit even in Snyders version.

 

[matt47]

He defs wore the red blue suit in the final fight. No doubt. I mean, we got that bts still of him in the scout ship with it on about to take off and the shot of the whole league standing together and he has it on there too.

 

[Micromind]

yeah, we can see the blue suit in this group shot with Zack Snyder.

 

[kguillou]

Man, I wanna see Zack's original group shot so badly.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Man, I wanna see Zack's original group shot so badly.

Among many others. Sigh. This film is like one huge blue ball fiasco.

 

[GothamBat]

It was going to be a panning shot with all the leaguers looking stoic and badass but not smiling so it had to be scrapped

 

[Arachnerd]

Dude relax, though I think Snyder is a s***y director/story teller and I couldn't be happier seeing him gone doesn't mean that I want see any harm come to the guy.
Whedon had the right idea and intention when he 'rebooted' superman i.e. a non nihilistic, joyous superman who put people's safety ahead of all things, however Joss's execution was downright awful with the awful CGI, overtly shiny suit and downright laughable one liners. I guess Snyder's superman was so bad in JL's first assembly cut that Whedon's remedy resulted in a jarring 180.

It was a joke, mate. Hence the sarcasm emote. I wouldn't use it if I were being 100% serious about something. It's that half the time your posts can come across as quite hyperbolic.

And we don't know how Superman was portrayed in Snyder's cut. You're making a lot of assumptions here in part based on your bias.

 

[Micromind]

It was going to be a panning shot with all the leaguers looking stoic and badass but not smiling so it had to be scrapped

Flash was smiling..

 

[GothamBat]

devil's advocate: I like the slow-mo fist bump Joss added

 

[Micromind]

devil's advocate: I like the slow-mo fist bump Joss added

I liked that too, not everything Whedon added was bad but he did some really unnecessary changes that weren't needed but at the same time some things he added made sense (to me.)

 

[idiot09]

devil's advocate: I like the slow-mo fist bump Joss added

Are we sure he added that? I thought the trinity shot was the only thing he added?

 

[STARMAN]

The opening scene should have been removed and the cornfield scene not changed. If they did have to change the cornfield scene for any particular reason then you need better material than that.

 

[kguillou]

This guy gets it


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[GothamBat]

Are we sure he added that? I thought the trinity shot was the only thing he added?

Well he added the moments of levity in the graveyard with the Barry and Vic fist bump gag so that's the first indicator. The other thing that makes me think that is the fact that everyone's smiling when he does it. Vic is doing kind of a tough guy half-smile but it's still very much discordant with the stoic, almost angry expression he has in the Snyder panning shot. At the end of the day we don't know for sure but that's the way I'm leaning personally.

 

[GothamBat]

I liked that too, not everything Whedon added was bad but he did some really unnecessary changes that weren't needed but at the same time some things he added made sense (to me.)

I like the cool tracking device Batman had on his forearm that he used to track the whereabouts of the parademon. I like him diving and jumping onto the parademon itself. Conceptually, Batman hunting parademons is a cool idea. The whole fear thing was dumb and cartoonish though. I do like the line "Fear. They can smell it" said in the awesome Batfleck modulated voice.

What else... I like how Bruce looked during the lake scene with Diana and I like his cynical line about asking people they don't know to risk their lives.

I like Barry's funny "Did he just bail?" which was presumably added with ADR by Whedon.

I quite like the lasso of truth Aquman scene although it was really misplaced. The scenes preceding the final battle aren't supposed to full blown comedic. Maybe have a touch of levity here and there but that was a full on gag scene.

I also like Bruce addressing Diana shutting herself off from mankind for a century, him name-dropping Steve Trevor and Diana shoving him. That, I think, is probably the absolute best addition from Whedon.

I liked Arthur and Vic's little confrontation in the batcave and Arthur's attitude in general where he's super agitated and angry, throwing stuff and what-not. Oh I really loved Cyborg's way of tracking Steppenwolf's location with the digital globe he span around, zoomed in on, ect. (I'm only assuming that was a Whedon idea... Sounds a bit too cool and visually arresting to be though)

 

[The Guard]

The "choosing good over evil" thing is all well and good, but that's what happens anyway, and Clark doesn't seem to be seriously considering either of the other suits in this sequence. He does seem to be Clark again at this point based on his clothing, so it's unlikely that this was part of an amnesia subplot or anything like that.

If anything, given his somewhat somber emotional reaction to the Supersuit (you can almost see him remembering), this sequence was probably about an iconic way for Superman to reclaim the mantle...to choose to be the hero the world needed, despite the burdens of that mission. Guessing part II of this is him taking flight as Superman, a la MOS.

It's a nice moment and it would have been a nice moment in the film in a full circle sort of way, but it's not absolutely necessary to the plot, either.

I almost think WB is taking the piss, going "Well, people complained about a lot of things from this film, but the fanboys and bloggers complained REALLY loudly about not seeing the black suit and the Zimmer theme, let's just give them that and be done with it".

Or they could be testing the waters to see how people react to new footage in general.

 

[GothamBat]

I really do hope it's a "testing the waters" type of situation and it's the precursor to them releasing the Snyder cut some months down the line. Wishful thinking I know.

 

[idiot09]

I really do hope it's a "testing the waters" type of situation and it's the precursor to them releasing the Snyder cut some months down the line. Wishful thinking I know.

Its a strange idea. They are teasing a deleted scene, a scene with a Superman that screams Snyder. Its tonally different from the rest of the movie and Superman's character, has Snyder's original color grading and his music. So they basically have put in a scene from Snyder's cut.

Now...why would they do that? They know that its not gonna satisfy any fans. It just further wets the appreciation and demand for a director's cut. And its not merely enough material to convince someone to buy the bluray/digital.

So its indeed strange. I do hope its a testing the waters situation, but that sounds too good to be true.

 

[Micromind]

I like the cool tracking device Batman had on his forearm that he used to track the whereabouts of the parademon. I like him diving and jumping onto the parademon itself. Conceptually, Batman hunting parademons is a cool idea. The whole fear thing was dumb and cartoonish though. I do like the line "Fear. They can smell it" said in the awesome Batfleck modulated voice.

What else... I like how Bruce looked during the lake scene with Diana and I like his cynical line about asking people they don't know to risk their lives.

I like Barry's funny "Did he just bail?" which was presumably added with ADR by Whedon.

I quite like the lasso of truth Aquman scene although it was really misplaced. The scenes preceding the final battle aren't supposed to full blown comedic. Maybe have a touch of levity here and there but that was a full on gag scene.

I also like Bruce addressing Diana shutting herself off from mankind for a century, him name-dropping Steve Trevor and Diana shoving him. That, I think, is probably the absolute best addition from Whedon.

I liked Arthur and Vic's little confrontation in the batcave and Arthur's attitude in general where he's super agitated and angry, throwing stuff and what-not. Oh I really loved Cyborg's way of tracking Steppenwolf's location with the digital globe he span around, zoomed in on, ect. (I'm only assuming that was a Whedon idea... Sounds a bit too cool and visually arresting to be though)

Agreed (bolded part in particular.)

 

[Micromind]

Its a strange idea. They are teasing a deleted scene, a scene with a Superman that screams Snyder. Its tonally different from the rest of the movie and Superman's character, has Snyder's original color grading and his music. So they basically have put in a scene from Snyder's cut.

Now...why would they do that? They know that its not gonna satisfy any fans. It just further wets the appreciation and demand for a director's cut. And its not merely enough material to convince someone to buy the bluray/digital.

So its indeed strange. I do hope its a testing the waters situation, but that sounds too good to be true.

Maybe not those who are waiting for Snyder Cut, but others may take the bait and buy the DVD for that reason (the 2 minute scene)

 

[terry78]

This just hit me, but with all the mocap CG de-aging going on, I feel it would've made more sense to just do a CG Cavill sans mustache without attempting to photoshop it out in hindsight.

 

[GothamBat]

I feel like the last thing WB wants to do is incite even more anger and disdain by baiting fans into buying something they'll be disappointed by.

I know twitter is a cesspool of antagonism and obstinance but if you look at the comments on the tweet from the official JL twitter posting that new Snyder Superman scene, literally 100% of them are completely outraged responses from angry fans saying they'll boycott everything DC an WB until the Snyder cut is released.

The core fandom is livid and WB needs to win them back if they want to go back to making a bunch of money like they were with BVS, SS and WW. If it was some people scattered here and there among generally positive feedback then I can see WB brushing it off but when it's basically all of the core fandom then you need to win them back. 80% of profit for any business is derived from 20% of the consumer base, the hardcore fans.

 

[kguillou]

I just need another 30-40 seconds of him in the suit outside the fortress and taking flight to the MoS theme and I will be satisfied. Thats all I want.

 

[Micromind]

DC fans (and DC fanboys) need to be careful, they should tone down their angry tweets ... as it is, some people are still spreading rumors of how DC fanboys are sabotaging Black Panther's IMDB rating (I don't believe that conspiracy theory).


I doubt anyone is feeling sympathetic for DC fans nowadays.

 

[The Guard]

Its a strange idea. They are teasing a deleted scene, a scene with a Superman that screams Snyder. Its tonally different from the rest of the movie and Superman's character, has Snyder's original color grading and his music. So they basically have put in a scene from Snyder's cut.

Now...why would they do that? They know that its not gonna satisfy any fans. It just further wets the appreciation and demand for a director's cut. And its not merely enough material to convince someone to buy the bluray/digital.

So its indeed strange. I do hope its a testing the waters situation, but that sounds too good to be true.

I don't think this release is necessarily for the fans. WB is probably going to see what kind of sales the Justice League home release has period before deciding whether to do anything else with it.

They won't release a Snyder cut. They might release more Snyder footage as part of a longer Whedon edit. That's far more likely. But that will likely only happen if people buy the Justice League home release, period.