Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - - Part 16

[MbJ]

If they're going to have humor in the next Superman film, just let Henry write those scenes. Dude is hilarious.

He’s so charming in interviews.

 

[Herolee10]

 

[Nemeres]

He was prety charming in the good JL bits too, whether folks admit it or not.

 

[Kevin_28]

Loved his take on Napoleon Solo.

 

[matt47]

How did you react when this pic was released, way back when?

Also, love how you come out of the woodwork whenever a MOS suit image is posted

Funnily enough I wasn't even tracking this movie till that second (or first full) trailer came out. That's what caught my attention and sort of re sparked my curiosity in Supes.

Haha I'm here almost everyday just browsing but...uh after JL I dunno...it's hard to find the energy or enthusiasm anymore. If by some chance the Snyder cut gets released I'm sure I'll be here like old times but till that happens or perhaps an aquaman trailer...I just can't be bothered. :/

 

[STARMAN]

One of the reasons I want MOS 2 beyond the obvious of seeing the film is the chance for some Superman fans to put down their swords and share in the enthusiasm again. I doubt they'll be the same magic as before because there won't be an entirely clean slate but there's still nothing like the anticipation of a new Superman solo film amongst fans.

 

[Vaibow]

Thing is, clean slates are good, but, this interpretation is salvageable - we can move forward and have a superman we can all be happy with. We just have to look past what has happened and think ok, random story lines and 'deaths' have happened in the comics but we still love him.

We can still have Clark, in special circumstances, pull off the bumbling side - perhaps when he feels someone is onto him at the planet or as a reason to leave the room - oh geez i dropped my drink, runs off wiping his shirt down - a good director can make anything plausible (ANT-MAN).

We can focus on so many better villains - Brainiac, Luthor can be 'a changed man' and provide more of a threat - heck i would even accept his dad showing up and being the real lex luthor - just because he wasn't mentioned - doesn't mean he isn't in that universe.


Anyways - the latest Hugo Boss advert of Cavill in shades and glasses.... OMG

 

[MbJ]

He was prety charming in the good JL bits too, whether folks admit it or not.

I thought that was kind of the consensus. Amidst all the criticism the movie got, you see a lot of people saying they at least enjoyed his portrayal of Superman for the most part.

 

[misslane38]

I couldn't enjoy JL Superman's so-called charm because it all felt so unnatural. The CGI face and the corny lines that were so unlike him made him feel more like a horror character or pod person. He gave me the creeps.

 

[MbJ]

That's fine. And many disagreed because they actually weren't too crazy on how he was portrayed in the past movies to begin with.

 

[GothamBat]

 

[misslane38]

That's fine. And many disagreed because they actually weren't too crazy on how he was portrayed in the past movies to begin with.

While I can't relate to that, I can sort of understand it. It still doesn't feel like a genuine response. If I usually hate bananas, and I do, but I'm really hungry and no other food is available, I might be able to "enjoy" a banana just because it will satisfy a need. I won't genuinely enjoy it for its own sake, though.

 

[DerekLake]

Thing is, clean slates are good, but, this interpretation is salvageable - we can move forward and have a superman we can all be happy with. We just have to look past what has happened and think ok, random story lines and 'deaths' have happened in the comics but we still love him.

We can still have Clark, in special circumstances, pull off the bumbling side - perhaps when he feels someone is onto him at the planet or as a reason to leave the room - oh geez i dropped my drink, runs off wiping his shirt down - a good director can make anything plausible (ANT-MAN).

We can focus on so many better villains - Brainiac, Luthor can be 'a changed man' and provide more of a threat - heck i would even accept his dad showing up and being the real lex luthor - just because he wasn't mentioned - doesn't mean he isn't in that universe.


Anyways - the latest Hugo Boss advert of Cavill in shades and glasses.... OMG

His interpretation is definitely salvageable, though I do think it will take someone willing to look beyond this seeming binary mode of “Superman the Movie” or “The Dark Knight.” If the choice is between bumbling Reeve version and burdened “Nolan” version, then he’s not going to get the story he deserves. What he has been in the comics has existed in the wide space between those two “extremes.” I think Cavill’s actually already done a good approach to Superman and Clark between MOS (for Superman) and BvS (for Clark), so to me it’s just a matter of approaching him the right way.

I think a big part of that is moving beyond Superman as a stand-in for Jesus and rather treating him the way he tends to be treated in the comics: as the world’s greatest superhero in a world filled with other heroes. The universe is at that point now, so he just needs a director willing to embrace that and a studio that has faith in the property and is willing to pursue it.

On Lex, I think it best if they save him for JL2 and bring in someone else for Superman who can fill Lex’s more traditional (post-Donner) businessman role (I have my own ideas about that). If they want another such villain.

 

[MbJ]

It still doesn't feel like a genuine response.

I can genuinely say I enjoyed him more here, lame jokes aside.

His interpretation is definitely salvageable, though I do think it will take someone willing to look beyond this seeming binary mode of “Superman the Movie” or “The Dark Knight.” If the choice is between bumbling Reeve version and burdened “Nolan” version, then he’s not going to get the story he deserves. What he has been in the comics has existed in the wide space between those two “extremes.” I think Cavill’s actually already done a good approach to Superman and Clark between MOS (for Superman) and BvS (for Clark), so to me it’s just a matter of approaching him the right way.

I think a big part of that is moving beyond Superman as a stand-in for Jesus and rather treating him the way he tends to be treated in the comics: as the world’s greatest superhero in a world filled with other heroes. The universe is at that point now, so he just needs a director willing to embrace that and a studio that has faith in the property and is willing to pursue it.

On Lex, I think it best if they save him for JL2 and bring in someone else for Superman who can fill Lex’s more traditional (post-Donner) businessman role (I have my own ideas about that). If they want another such villain.

I agree. At this point they really need to give him someone to fight other than Lex or Zod. That's why I'm still in favor of Brainiac.

 

[DerekLake]

That's fine. And many disagreed because they actually weren't too crazy on how he was portrayed in the past movies to begin with.

While I can't relate to that, I can sort of understand it. It still doesn't feel like a genuine response. If I usually hate bananas, and I do, but I'm really hungry and no other food is available, I might be able to "enjoy" a banana just because it will satisfy a need. I won't genuinely enjoy it for its own sake, though.

I liked what they were trying to do in the cell phone footage (the idea of Superman engaging with firefighters and ordinary civilians). But the scene I actually liked the most was the deleted scene with Alfred. That reminded me of his interactions with the military in MOS, and where I think Cavill best embodies Superman’s personality/demeanor. If they just go back to how he was as Superman in MOS, then I think he would be much better received.

 

[DerekLake]

I agree. At this point they really need to give him someone to fight other than Lex or Zod. That's why I'm still in favor of Brainiac.

I’m only against Brainiac for a next film because Brainiac tends to be the sort of threat Superman takes on alone (or away from other people). I’d like Superman to face a threat that requires him to work with others (as in, with his civilian/non-superhero allies). I think both BvS and JL demonstrate that Superman works best when he is collaborating with others, especially when he’s taking the lead (and I don’t just mean tag-teaming a bad guy).

I’m still of the opinion that one of the biggest issues with Superman in BvS is that he keeps himself isolated, and acts in a way that suggests he’s kept himself that way for two years. That’s at odds with much about the character (the only times he seems to do that in the comics is when he truly feels he’s let the entire world down; that’s not the case for most of BvS). Admittedly, Superman on film has always had a very narrow circle of trust (mostly just Lois and his parents) since Superman the Movie. But when you have a story like BvS, it actually highlights why Superman needs a wider circle of friends/compatriots in order to be the hopeful hero he is.

JL doesn’t actually give opportunity for Superman to make the sort of connections that he did in MOS, or the ones he has throughout much of the 80s and 90s comics with superheroes, civilians and law enforcement alike. I think Cavill’s Superman especially needs the opportunity to make those sorts of relationships, and I think it’d go along way in helping bring out Cavill’s best. Those situations bring out the qualities that make Superman so revered as not just the most capable of heroes, but the most deserving of the title of superhero.

 

[misslane38]

I can genuinely say I enjoyed him more here, lame jokes aside.

Okay.

I liked what they were trying to do in the cell phone footage (the idea of Superman engaging with firefighters and ordinary civilians). But the scene I actually liked the most was the deleted scene with Alfred. That reminded me of his interactions with the military in MOS, and where I think Cavill best embodies Superman’s personality/demeanor. If they just go back to how he was as Superman in MOS, then I think he would be much better received.

I am pretty much in the same boat. I was enjoying the arc these movies were taking the character on and was looking forward to seeing a rejuvenated Clark/Superman who had earned a sense of peace from overcoming significant trials and forging new and stronger bonds with the public, with friends, and with loved ones. However, while some of the reshoot stuff had the right goal, the execution fell so short that it nullified its effects (at least it did for me).

I will say that what I like about Cavill's Clark/Superman isn't a sort of generic gregariousness, but more of a Mr. Rogers personality. Low key, romantic, gentle, kind, and down to earth is what I like best about him. Grant Morrison described meeting with a Superman cosplayer once and how the ease in his demeanor inspired his approach to Superman in All-Star. For me, when Superman is written to say lame jokes or do something that would be nice in theory, like the cell phone scene, but it's overplayed, that ease just doesn't feel there. For example, when I watch RDJ's Tony Stark, I can feel how his noisier, so to speak, personality quirks are kind of covering up something the way an air freshener might cover up a smell.

 

[Tra-El]

I liked what they were trying to do in the cell phone footage (the idea of Superman engaging with firefighters and ordinary civilians). But the scene I actually liked the most was the deleted scene with Alfred. That reminded me of his interactions with the military in MOS, and where I think Cavill best embodies Superman’s personality/demeanor. If they just go back to how he was as Superman in MOS, then I think he would be much better received.

I agree. That tiny scene with Alfred tickled my fancy as a fan and it was what? Less than a minute clip? It was full of charm and awareness of heart. It baffles me that WB can look at that clip and scrap it. Imagine an entire Superman film in that same vein of what that minute clip provided us. Henry can get it done. My fingers are purple they are crossed so hard for Henry to get a second; long contract as Clark.

 

[STARMAN]

They have the right guy. Give him the right material.


I was also so impressed with John Powell's Solo score that I would like to see him tackle Superman.

 

[MbJ]

He really deserves it. I always felt bad that Brandon Routh's career got tossed under a bus when what went wrong with Superman Returns similarly was not his fault.

 

[Vaibow]

He really deserves it. I always felt bad that Brandon Routh's career got tossed under a bus when what went wrong with Superman Returns similarly was not his fault.

BR has had a great career post SR. Before and alongside that, he was never going anywhere with it.

chuck, LOT, he's done just fine.

 

[idiot09]

I like this guy. I really like this guy.

 

[GothamBat]

 

[Tra-El]

Makes me want to cry lol. The emotions were very high and it was very exciting. Miss those days before all the negativity emerged.

 

[markjoedelonge]

:'( We have the perfect actor for Superman. PLEASE USE HIM WB.