Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[Herolee10]

Ben was already out the door and the writing was on the wall for quite a while. It's just that people were optimists and kept insisting his total disinterest during the press for Justice League and saying things about looking for a "cool way to bow out of the role" were not red flags.

True.

Sigh, if only BvS, SS, and JL had been both critically and financially successful. We would undoubtedly still have Ben in the role (assuming of course if his personal life hadn't taken a turn for the worse in that alternative), Henry's place as Superman would have been solidified, and the DC brand wouldn't be viewed as the biggest joke since the series finale for Lost.

 

[Micromind]

I wonder if in there minds it was cameos to rebuild the character in the public eye and build the excitement up for an eventual new solo film.

Yeah, that was the plan Hamada had, right now not many film directors are lining-up to direct a Superman movie, and even if they make another Superman movie, chances of it having a decent Box Office collection are slim, so the plan to build-up popularity by Superman cameos in different DC movies is the best solution.

 

[Vaibow]

I wonder if BvS was a hit, as JL Ben may still be in a happier place??

Honestly, i feel DC need to forget superman, focus on stand alines of others, reboot him on the side in an else worlds.

 

[Vaibow]

Yeah, that was the plan Hamada had, right now not many film directors are lining-up to direct a Superman movie, and even if they make another Superman movie, chances of it having a decent Box Office collection are slim, so to the plan to build-up popularity by Superman cameos in different DC movies is the best solution.

Honestly, that would make sense.... but i felt a decent trailer to a new look movie, which would be cheaper than most movies, it would have to be, would do well.

However, i can see why Cavill didn't want to continue as a bit part for 4 years, keeping up that physical shape - it's demanding but also limits other roles in a way!!

I think it boils down to Cavill would rather say 'thanks, but not thanks' if he wasn't able to put out a truly decent picture he wanted or the fans wanted - he has hinted so much he wants the tone to change, for it to be a warmer, happier feel.

I guess he would rather let this incarnation quickly die than drag it out.

 

[Micromind]

Cameos won't takeup much time though, Cavill can pursue roles in other movies / series while still keeping Superman role, I see it as a win-win situation.

 

[Vaibow]

Cameos won't takeup much time though, Cavill can pursue roles in other movies / series while still keeping Superman role, I see it as a win-win situation.

It's the physical demands - staying in shape like that.. or prepping for a month of shooting, i would struggle no matter how much and like i said, Henry feels the character deserves better.

 

[Micromind]

It's the physical demands - staying in shape like that.. or prepping for a month of shooting, i would struggle no matter how much and like i said, Henry feels the character deserves better.

Has he ever been really out of shape while fliming some other movies ? For Immortals, Man from UNCLE, MI:6, he was already looking decent.

And while Cavill may feel that he and the character deserves better but it's not as if some directors have actually approached WB with a story and they have turned them down. If Cavill agrees to guest appear in some other DC movies, it will help buildup goodwill among General audience, and in the meantime he can get some other movie projects, talk to other directors, script-writers and then approach WB with some director actually interested in making a Superman movie.

 

[Greenlite]

I just don’t get why they need to leak it for negative press and alienate some fans instead of Brandon Routh or B Affleck the situation. At least exercise the 4th pic by giving him that cameo in Shazam for a farewell, more importantly saves Sandberg all the mess.

They won’t use Sup again for 5 yrs anyway if they are avoiding him in Supergirl, no continuity issues. Booting Sup and keeping the same universe really kills 80% of my interest in this brand. I might follow Bat but others r just 1 of the movies to me...

 

[Micromind]

Chris Pine wanted a bigger paycheck for his role as Captain Kirk in Star Trek 4 but the talks with Paramount Studio broke down and recently he was asked about it and he said he is still hopeful (expressed his willingness to negotiate ?)

Contrast this with what Cavill and his agent are doing, Cavill wants a bigger paycheck too but he is trying to get fan support by saying vague statements and trolling, I don't think this approach is helping his cause. Instead of letting his agent/ manager talk, he should give some statement like Pine.

 

[Herolee10]

The thing that I am worried about the most right now is that with Cavill's departure and Warner Bros wanting to reboot the character again, I feel like they are just going to revert back to the Donner/Reeve version where the character is always positive and smiling, with no real emotional arc anymore due to Warner Bros being fearful that any depressing moments featuring Superman again will take them back to Snyder's era.

And not only would we revert back to the same old shtick, but if our new happy superman is introduced to us via cameos and guest appearances in the likes of Shazam and Supergirl, then he will never be able to get over being more than a supporting character like how Tyler's version of Superman is on the Supergirl series.

 

[Iceman]

Chris Pine wanted a bigger paycheck for his role as Captain Kirk in Star Trek 4 but the talks with Paramount Studio broke down and recently he was asked about it and he said he is still hopeful (expressed his willingness to negotiate ?)

Contrast this with what Cavill and his agent are doing, Cavill wants a bigger paycheck too but he is trying to get fan support by saying vague statements and trolling, I don't think this approach is helping his cause. Instead of letting his agent/ manager talk, he should give some statement like Pine.

Yeah, seems like Pine is handling it better.

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah, seems like Pine is handling it better.

Because he's handling it like an adult.

 

[harlequinade]

People in charge over at Netflix should really start wondering if they wanna deal with this guy and his 'agent'. Not too late to recast.

 

[Herolee10]

Am I the only one thinking that maybe we are being a bit harsh on Cavill over this whole situation? FYI, I am not necessarily referring to any posters here but just some of the posts that I have come across on other sites.

Whatever his reason is for not signing a new contract, at the end of the day it is his choice to make. How he goes about handling this is his own business of course.

I just feel that we are focusing more on his faults than on his strengths and that he doesn't deserve some of the hate and subtle jabs (in the form of comments) that I have seen him get across the web.

No actor could have turned this whole debacle around. You can have Hugh Jackman as Wolverine but his charisma alone can't save a film if the direction isn't right and if the story sucks.

If he is able to stay on then that is great. If he goes, well then that would be unfortunate for quite a number of people. Not necessarily that I would find joy in gloating about.

 

[harlequinade]

Jackman wouldn't resort to trolling his fans. Ever.

 

[StarLord]

So much drama.

 

[Iceman]

So much drama.

Amateur dramatics.

 

[STARMAN]

If they were banking on MI6 then that was a mistake. WB's view didn't change and they moved on to Supergirl. As for the cameo buildup, it depends on what the specifics are. If they said sign on for cameos and we'll wait and see how the response is to determine how to move forward then I might be hesitant too. I would sign that deal only if MOS 2 is put in active development with screenwriters while I'm filming my cameos. Either way, Henry needed to bring a big time director with him to a pitch meeting to increase his chances. Not bank on MI6 or social media.

 

[Tra-El]

It's the physical demands - staying in shape like that.. or prepping for a month of shooting, i would struggle no matter how much and like i said, Henry feels the character deserves better.

Lol, if there's ONE thing that is not a problem for Henry at this point in his career, it's keeping in shape. The guy has made it a lifestyle and involves himself in many extraordinary levels of fitness regardless of his acting career.

 

[Tra-El]

I'm just going to hang low for now and see how these next few films shake out. Honestly, in the Hollywood film landscape, especially with comic book films nowadays, so much can change in a short period of time. Though WB may not have plans for a Superman film at this immediate moment, that all could change givin' the recpetion of certain movies that are in the pipeline or within' the structure down the road. Studio's can greenlight and insert characters or films just as fast as they can take them away. I'm in the camp that understands that many things need to happen in the positive light FIRST before we can get a character like Superman back up and running. A lot can change in just a years notice so with that, we'll see where this goes but studios, especially WB, aren't static.

 

[Micromind]

If they were banking on MI6 then that was a mistake. WB's view didn't change and they moved on to Supergirl. As for the cameo buildup, it depends on what the specifics are. If they said sign on for cameos and we'll wait and see how the response is to determine how to move forward then I might be hesitant too. I would sign that deal only if MOS 2 is put in active development with screenwriters while I'm filming my cameos. Either way, Henry needed to bring a big time director with him to a pitch meeting to increase his chances. Not bank on MI6 or social media.

This. If Henry is not happy with just cameos then he needs to bring some director with a pitch to WB or else, sign up for cameos and wait for some time. If nothing happens he can still quit after making a few guest appearances, it won't hurt him either way. MI 6 role has not suddenly elevated him to A-list category and his antics on social media will do more harm to his image.

 

[STARMAN]

Henry clearly wants to keep being Superman. Now is the time to act while there is still buzz about the situation. Quickly set up another meeting and either admit you're bluff was called and sign per WB's terms or make a push at McQuarrie. In another couple of weeks, the response will fade away.

 

[Iceman]

Get McQuarrie to make a GL with Cruise and give Cavill a cameo again.

 

[Micromind]

Get McQuarrie to make a GL with Cruise and give Cavill a cameo again.

Signup Cruise as GL, McQuarrie and Cavill will follow.

 

[SiegePerilous]

Cavill and his agent may not be making the wisest moves in all this...but I ultimately have no sympathy or patience for WB at all when it comes to Superman or really anything besides WW at this point, so I'm automatically inclined to side with Cavill anyway.

Their creative decisions which he had no control over have botched the brand, and they have no immediate plans beyond half assed cameos that may or may not even lead to anything. They didn't even seem to want another Superman solo even if the MOS/BvS/JL trilogy was a success. There is no incentive for him to stick around even if he wants to stick with the part, because there is no assurance that they are not just gonna continue with the same old crap. Without Cavill, we are looking at probably a decade plus of not seeing the character on the big screen anyway, and yet we will definitely be getting a Batman re-casting to go along with the possible Batgirl movie.

So basically my stance on WB is: f*** 'em. They don't deserve any benefit of the doubt. Cavill and his agent should conduct themselves better if even just for their own sakes, but otherwise I don't want them to budge an inch.