Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[Da-Scribe]

Folks gotta keep in mind that MoS2 wasn’t part of his arc. Unless he’s changed his mind on it all, I feel like ZSJL will be his final entry that possibly sets up some spinoffs.

 

[SupermanFan]

Two very contrasting articles


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Personally I was not happy with the way Sheraz presented his article, he makes the assumption that anyone who doesn’t like the Snyder-Cavill Superman only does so cause they can’t let go of nostalgia for Chris Reeve’s Superman and that is utter bollocks.

 

[Kevin_28]

I think Mario's article missed the point in response to Sheraz. Also note that Sheraz is pointing at "professional" critic reviews and not so much what Superman fans in general feel (which is widely varied anyway).

 

[MbJ]

The issue continues to be that people keep trying to boil it down to nostalgia or a dislike of "serious" movies as though there's nothing that could've legitimately been criticized. It's as much a bad faith argument as "Superman should always smile and wear red underwear!"

 

[Kevin_28]

The issue continues to be that people keep trying to boil it down to nostalgia or a dislike of "serious" movies as though there's nothing that could've legitimately been criticized. It's as much a bad faith argument as "Superman should always smile and wear red underwear!"

Yea, like I said, it's not meant to be representative of the whole. However, I would agree with Sheraz in that some of the most prevalent criticisms from the professional critics is that the movies lack fun or joy, and too much brooding and darkness. That's why WB swung the other way with their hope & optimism mantra. Again, that's not to say that's a criticism from every Superman fan as a whole but that is what seems to be the more common ones with the professional reviews.

 

[BlackSuitTrael]

Folks gotta keep in mind that MoS2 wasn’t part of his arc. Unless he’s changed his mind on it all, I feel like ZSJL will be his final entry that possibly sets up some spinoffs.

Didn't Zack confirm or like something on Vero that his 5-film arc was:

Man of Steel
Batman v Superman
Justice League: Part 1
Man of Steel 2
Justice League: Part 2 ?

 

[BlackSuitTrael]

I love Snyder. I’m glad we get to see him finish his DC trilogy. But I hope we get a new director and I’m pretty sure Snyder is ready to move on.

New blood is needed. The fresh coat of paint for the next Superman film, if there will be one, will be implemented. Though, I do think Zack and Deborah will be producers and have part in a story or spinoff involving Supergirl. I think that is inevitable.

 

[BlackSuitTrael]

Brand new tea as referenced on The LightCast Podcast Live Stream just now:

According to Josh at DC Universe News, his sources indicate that Henry Cavill has indeed pitched a new Superman story to (possibly Warner Media) and they absolutely loved it. Henry's pitch could potentially be turned into a new trilogy and Zack is aware of it. Though they love it, they are sitting on it for now and will prioritize it after ZSJL in 2021.

 

[heatvision38]

It's gonna he be a single movie. Brainiac 5 comes to the present and shows Clark who all the threats to Earth are: Darkseid, Luthor, Bizarro, The Trickster, Ugly Bruno Manheim, Mongol, Parasite, Metallo, and more. Obviously for time fidelity reasons, he can't kill Brainiac prime, or maybe he can which thus causes the creation of Brainiac 5 1,000 years in the future, some real Terminator paradox stuff.

Superman spends the rest of the movie snapping the necks of all would be villains.

If Abram's involved, why not crib from his own work (Into Darkness reference).

 

[Superchan]

Look I get that a vocal minority really love Snyder and his work but you all have to understand that for Superman to continue to flourish he needs a movie that appeals to the masses and Snyder's films fail with the audience and the critics while dividing the fans.
Superman needs a 'force awakens' so to speak, basically a fun, exciting - albeit vanilla - action adventure that will get the audience onboard, THEN you can go and explore the darker, more introspective aspects of the character in the sequel.

Personally I was not happy with the way Sheraz presented his article, he makes the assumption that anyone who doesn’t like the Snyder-Cavill Superman only does so cause they can’t let go of nostalgia for Chris Reeve’s Superman and that is utter bollocks.

That's what many, MANY Snyder/MOS fans say when you say that you don't like MOS, where in reality they have a hard time understanding a very simple concept; many people didn't like MOS because THEY DID NOT LIKE THE FILM, it didn't work with them, simple as that.
I personally loved Henry, the suit, the cast, the smallville fight and some the story elements, but in the end I hated the movie because, in my eyes, it got Superman wrong. To me Superman is a charming, charismatic, intelligent character, that's the holly trinity of characteristics make Superman likeable, which the operative word that all creators need to strive for to make the character successful as opposed to the never ending quest to make the character relatable when he was never created to be as such and sadly to many creators and film makers making Superman mopey and emo is what makes him relatable.

 

[heatvision38]

Look I get that a vocal minority really love Snyder and his work but you all have to understand that for Superman to continue to flourish he needs a movie that appeals to the masses and Snyder's films fail with the audience and the critics while dividing the fans.
Superman needs a 'force awakens' so to speak, basically a fun, exciting - albeit vanilla - action adventure that will get the audience onboard, THEN you can go and explore the darker, more introspective aspects of the character in the sequel.



That's what many, MANY Snyder/MOS fans say when you say that you don't like MOS, where in reality they have a hard time understanding a very simple concept; many people didn't like MOS because THEY DID NOT LIKE THE FILM, it didn't work with them, simple as that.
I personally loved Henry, the suit, the cast, the smallville fight and some the story elements, but in the end I hated the movie because, in my eyes, it got Superman wrong. To me Superman is a charming, charismatic, intelligent character, that's the holly trinity of characteristics make Superman likeable, which the operative word that all creators need to strive for to make the character successful as opposed to the never ending quest to make the character relatable when he was never created to be as such and sadly to many creators and film makers making Superman mopey and emo is what makes him relatable.

I think TFA is a low bar though. I think the next Superman film can be relatively safe yet still feel fresh. I'm not saying it needs to be like MoS, but I found TFA to be breezy and light and too safe. I'm sure there's a balance in there somewhere.

Someone mentioned the first Abrams Star Tek movie. I personally loved that movie and thought it had a great balance of fun and playfulness and yet still could be dramatic and tense, while also still being heartfelt. TFA more or less felt like they were saying, "Look, Star Wars is back, don't think too much about it, just watch, turn your brains off, and we'll get to the really good stuff in the sequels." It felt lazy in that regard, imo.

 

[Herolee10]

Didn't Zack confirm or like something on Vero that his 5-film arc was:

Man of Steel
Batman v Superman
Justice League: Part 1
Man of Steel 2
Justice League: Part 2 ?

I think Flashpoint was part of that 5-film arc and not MOS 2.

 

[SupermanFan]

Brand new tea as referenced on The LightCast Podcast Live Stream just now:

According to Josh at DC Universe News, his sources indicate that Henry Cavill has indeed pitched a new Superman story to (possibly Warner Media) and they absolutely loved it. Henry's pitch could potentially be turned into a new trilogy and Zack is aware of it. Though they love it, they are sitting on it for now and will prioritize it after ZSJL in 2021.

It actually lines up with what @Superchan said about Henry’s contract. But as with everything I’m taking with a pinch of salt for now.

It's gonna he be a single movie. Brainiac 5 comes to the present and shows Clark who all the threats to Earth are: Darkseid, Luthor, Bizarro, The Trickster, Ugly Bruno Manheim, Mongol, Parasite, Metallo, and more. Obviously for time fidelity reasons, he can't kill Brainiac prime, or maybe he can which thus causes the creation of Brainiac 5 1,000 years in the future, some real Terminator paradox stuff.

Superman spends the rest of the movie snapping the necks of all would be villains.

If Abram's involved, why not crib from his own work (Into Darkness reference).

Sounds fun

That's what many, MANY Snyder/MOS fans say when you say that you don't like MOS, where in reality they have a hard time understanding a very simple concept; many people didn't like MOS because THEY DID NOT LIKE THE FILM, it didn't work with them, simple as that.
I personally loved Henry, the suit, the cast, the smallville fight and some the story elements, but in the end I hated the movie because, in my eyes, it got Superman wrong. To me Superman is a charming, charismatic, intelligent character, that's the holly trinity of characteristics make Superman likeable, which the operative word that all creators need to strive for to make the character successful as opposed to the never ending quest to make the character relatable when he was never created to be as such and sadly to many creators and film makers making Superman mopey and emo is what makes him relatable.

It’s like an auto defence for the Snyder stans “well you just want Reeve” and any Superman that smiles or wears trunks is “just Reeve” to them too. They’re idiots quite frankly. It’s best to talk with the sane Snyder fans.

You’ve also proven my point that fans don’t have a problem with a lot of the things about Man of Steel such as the casting, costume etc it’s just the way the story & characters were presented. I guess my point is just because someone doesn’t like THIS version doesn’t mean they don’t want Superman to evolve. It’s like to the Snyder stands the one way for him to evolve was the way Snyder did it which is complete bollocks there are many ways he can evolve.

 

[moviefreak]

I don't think that Snyder is going to do any DC film post ZSJL.

That said, Nolan had the right approach to MOS and Snyder implemented it beautifully. But as I said numerous time before, MOS fell down the standard of epic film making due to Goyer's script which frankly was poor. I care less about the complaints about making the film light-hearted or characterised Superman as some kind of fool with toothy grin. Y'all can have Starr's Homelander as a reference. lol.

They should have gone all out with Kyrpton drama the full 2.5 hours instead of 30 mins and end the film with baby Kal-El being blasted off. Next film, Cavill can breaths a sign of relief as he get to show up in front of camera and play the hero against Brainiac's invasion. Maybe, we'll have a JL along the way with solo Wonder Woman, Batman, Aquaman, Flash & Cyborg. Many films later...end the series with a bookend of 20,000 years in the future, Kal-El's ancestors Jor-El & Lara blasted off their baby Kal-El who later arrived on a Soviet collective farmers' land.

Okay, I pulled some stuffs from Red Son. lol

 

[Lone]

It’s like an auto defence for the Snyder stans “well you just want Reeve” and any Superman that smiles or wears trunks is “just Reeve” to them too. They’re idiots quite frankly. It’s best to talk with the sane Snyder fans.

I’m a Snyder fan and I will never not be on team pro-trunks, baybeeee!

 

[BlackSuitTrael]

I think Flashpoint was part of that 5-film arc and not MOS 2.

Really? Zack was never going to direct Flash though was he? I can't remember but it was either Zack or someone close to him like Jay Olivia or someone that confirmed that it was going to be MoS, BvS, JLP1, MoS2 and JLP2.

 

[BlackSuitTrael]

It actually lines up with what @Superchan said about Henry’s contract. But as with everything I’m taking with a pinch of salt for now.

That's exactly what I thought of as well. @Superchan said Henry signed on for 5 films that included solos with the 5th being an option film. This lines up. If by some awesome miracle Henry does get a new trilogy (omg my nipples are ready) and if he is going to indeed be apart of Shazam: Fury of The Gods and Black Adam; Black Adam 2, there's your 5 film contract with his potential option film that he already had that has been reported forever being Flashpoint? Interesting source nonetheless.

 

[BlackSuitTrael]

Knowing Henry, if this source is true (and we all know Henry can talk Superman and the character flows off his tongue like hot butter) then I wonder if any elements of his pitch included his McQuarrie material? New regime, new ears.

 

[SupermanFan]

I’m a Snyder fan and I will never not be on team pro-trunks, baybeeee!

I’m easy trunks or no trunks, if I were choosing I’d have them though but they’re not a deal breaker.

That's exactly what I thought of as well. @Superchan said Henry signed on for 5 films that included solos with the 5th being an option film. This lines up. If by some awesome miracle Henry does get a new trilogy (omg my nipples are ready) and if he is going to indeed be apart of Shazam: Fury of The Gods and Black Adam; Black Adam 2, there's your 5 film contract with his potential option film that he already had that has been reported forever being Flashpoint? Interesting source nonetheless.

I really hope it’s true but don’t wanna get my hopes up.

Knowing Henry, if this source is true (and we all know Henry can talk Superman and the character flows off his tongue like hot butter) then I wonder if any elements of his pitch included his McQuarrie material? New regime, new ears.

It’s possible if true

 

[moviefreak]

I'm just saying seriously, they missed an opportunity with MOS - they could have brought in additional writers to fine tune Goyer's script.

Post ZSJL, y'all will not be getting epic Superman film. Instead, it'll be more likely be similar in vein to Sandberg's Shazam.

That said, I'll be interested in McQuarrie writing & directing Superman far more than JJ Abrams.

 

[SupermanFan]

I love Man of Steel but it definitely needed a further rewrite that I agree with.

 

[STARMAN]

I'm skeptical of any internet blogger rumor. It's good to have fun with these rumors to help time pass but I don't count on any of them anymore.

I still think the most likely scenario involves Abrams in one way or another.

 

[SupermanFan]

I'm skeptical of any internet blogger rumor. It's good to have fun with these rumors to help time pass but I don't count on any of them anymore.

I still think the most likely scenario involves Abrams in one way or another.

Best way to be, take with a pinch of salt and not have expectations, that’s what I’m doing.

 

[BlackSuitTrael]

I'm skeptical of any internet blogger rumor. It's good to have fun with these rumors to help time pass but I don't count on any of them anymore.

I still think the most likely scenario involves Abrams in one way or another.

Blogging and sourcing have become the norm and apart of the internet genre. I always said things can change overnight in Hollywood, especially the superhero genre..that I have learned. Look where we are today. If I was a betting man, I would have bet the HOUSE out of any of the cast members not to return, it would have been Affleck..but here we are.

Sourcing and podcasts also gives us something to talk about in these drought periods, especially with Covid. These sources have been mostly right lately. There's more hits than miss's at this juncture in time.

 

[STARMAN]

It's good to have something to talk about, including rumors. That's part of the fun in a discussion forum. I just don't want anyone to be catfished. I feel like some of these bloggers get off on making stuff up to build their own self-importance and take advantage of everyone's hunger for news.