BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - Part 1

[Juha Bach]

Considering what he had to work with, Cavill was great. I loved the movie but the tone was really angsty and depressing(not that i had a problem with that). Henry did a great job in conveying a man who felt that didnt fit in, a man trying to find his place in the world and a man who feared rejection because what he truly his. He was also really great when conveying sadness. I mean, his acting when he watched jonathan die, or when he was begging zod to stop or his reaction to killing zod were top notch. I cant wait to see him in the next movie.

 

[John-An]

I think Henry was good but he didn't own the role. He didn't do anything that makes him own it.

RDJ owns the role of Iron Man and made it his own, Hugh with Wolverine, Patrick and Ian with Xavier and Magneto, Chris did that with Thor, other Chris with Cap, Keaton with Batman, Reeve with Superman, Tobey with Spider-Man (Spidey 3 never happened), and others.

Henry is in the same place Andrew is IMO. Their next film needs to have them do a great performance. At the same time, it's hard to do a great performance with a Goyer screenplay.

Ledger did it with a Goyer screenplay...

 

[MrMaooz]

Ledger did it with a Goyer screenplay...

No, he did with Nolan brothers treatment. Goyer only had a story credit.

 

[John-An]

Where does Kristen Stewart enter this discussion?

His presence, by the nature of the script, was very muted. It was a muted character so the performance was muted. But even in a very very restrained role, you can create a very powerful and haunting impact. Watch Jean Louis Trintignant in last year's Amour, a very quiet role but the performance is truly devastating and unforgettable.

Cavill is obviously not there yet. I like Cavill as you can see from my posts here. It's just that MOS was not the fullest expression of his talents. Not even close to that. I think he can do much better. And hopefully with better scripts, will do better.

and Jim carrey? both had nothing to do with this...
Cavill did it with the restrained role.. don't know which movie you saw, but the role that the script put it Cavill owned physically, emotional and acted but with a lot of potential to evolve

 

[John-An]

No, he did with Nolan brothers treatment. Goyer only had a story credit.

but it was from Goyer's treatment also

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I have to disagree that Ian owned Magneto, or Patrick owned Xavier, they weren't bad but the only actor who owned his role in Xmen was Hugh. Also don't think Chris owned Capt America, not by a long shot. The actors who owned their roles were Hugh RDJ Heath and Hiddelston. And just to throw in some female love, Michelle Pfeifer owned, killed, resurrected and made love to Catwoman.

 

[John-An]

I feel like he owned it in the sense that his natural energy lent itself really well to the character, but there wasn't too much that really pushed him or that really defined this version of Superman as something memorable or powerful.

He did a good/great job with a lot of the emotional scenes, and there are little moments and looks and stuff that I love re watching because I just think he pulls them off so well (like the comforting look he gives Lois when she is freaking out after being injuring on the ship, when he needs her to calm down... that was so Superman to me )

The Superman traits (never give up, the courage the emotions) Cavill give it so right...

 

[slumcat]

Ledger did it with a Goyer screenplay...

I would say inspite of a Goyer script. t:
But even so, I am in the minority that think Ledger's performance was nothing special at all.

 

[slumcat]

and Jim carrey? both had nothing to do with this...
Cavill did it with the restrained role.. don't know which movie you saw, but the role that the script put it Cavill owned physically, emotional and acted but with a lot of potential to evolve

We disagree and that's all there is to it. And let's keep it at that.

 

[John-An]

I have to disagree that Ian owned Magneto, or Patrick owned Xavier, they weren't bad but the only actor who owned his role in Xmen was Hugh. Also don't think Chris owned Capt America, not by a long shot. The actors who owned their roles were Hugh RDJ Heath and Hiddelston. And just to throw in some female love, Michelle Pfeifer owned, killed, resurrected and made love to Catwoman.

best catwoman michelle.. best selina kyle Anne hattaway..

 

[slumcat]

I think Henry was good but he didn't own the role. He didn't do anything that makes him own it.

RDJ owns the role of Iron Man and made it his own, Hugh with Wolverine, Patrick and Ian with Xavier and Magneto, Chris did that with Thor, other Chris with Cap, Keaton with Batman, Reeve with Superman, Tobey with Spider-Man (Spidey 3 never happened), and others.

Henry is in the same place Andrew is IMO. Their next film needs to have them do a great performance. At the same time, it's hard to do a great performance with a Goyer screenplay.

Oh god I think Garfield was absolutely horrible. Worst superhero casting - up there with Ryan Reynolds in Green Lantern. The film was pretty poor too. I am not interested in the second part at all.

 

[John-An]

We disagree and that's all there is to it. And let's keep it at that.

Yeah totally respect your point of view t: We'll see in the future movies

 

[John-An]

Considering what he had to work with, Cavill was great. I loved the movie but the tone was really angsty and depressing(not that i had a problem with that). Henry did a great job in conveying a man who felt that didnt fit in, a man trying to find his place in the world and a man who feared rejection because what he truly his. He was also really great when conveying sadness. I mean, his acting when he watched jonathan die, or when he was begging zod to stop or his reaction to killing zod were top notch. I cant wait to see him in the next movie.

I wouldn't call depressing.. I would call emotional but with this I agree

 

[John-An]

Can't wait to the set pictures from MOS2

 

[Juha Bach]

Quick question, which is the harder role to play, superman or thor?

 

[John-An]

Quick question, which is the harder role to play, superman or thor?

both are hard but I'm inclined that playing Superman is harder

 

[slumcat]

I'm only talking about performances from the actors.

I think Chris Hemsworth was better in his role as Thor, than Henry Cavill was as Superman (in as much as we've seen). Every role is comparable, otherwise no role would ever get cast.

Absolutely agree!

 

[Juha Bach]

both are hard but I'm inclined that playing Superman is harder

I would like to think so too. Playing superman is harder especially when you consider that there is Kal clark and superman. But the point am trying to make is that people should not compare Henry and chris because i feel that they play different roles.

 

[John-An]

I'm taking it that English isn't your first language? I'm not talking within the context of the narrative, Henry had no control of that. I'm only talking about performances from the actors.

I think Chris Hemsworth was better in his role as Thor, than Henry Cavill was as Superman (in as much as we've seen). Every role is comparable, otherwise no role would ever get cast.

Yeah sorry for that...
Thor's hemsworth was owned phisically only.. not memorable as RDJ,Reeve,Ledger,Hiddleston... the Thor in the comics was is a little different (a little more serious) than the presented on the movies, and in the Avengers was nothing to remember from Thor.. the thing is in MOS wasn't about a Superman, it was about becoming Superman but the traits of Superman were there (courage, hope, never give up,) and those were into make Cavill's performance so great that I don't see nothing more than Superman We'll se the stablished superman in following sequels...

 

[John-An]

 

[TheBat812]

Its kind of an unfair comparison given the nature of their respective characters and the way their particular characters were written. Downey is fun as a hell because that's the way the character is. Thor is enjoyable because of the circumstance of him being so full of himself in a new world. But supes and bats are just not written that way, and the performances fit perfectly for what's required. Henry definitely made the role his own, but like Bale, it's very understated and internal rather than flashy like the marvel roles.

 

[John-An]

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FH417c-fBqM[/YT]

 

[Tra-El]

Good acting does not equal mobility of facial muscles. Otherwise Jim Carrey would be as celebrated as Laurence Olivier!

Good acting is the ability to convey different feelings and emotions and thoughts, with or without changing your expression. And in that aspect, Cavill was a bit limited. He conveyed just 2-3 things, introspection, anguish and wrath. Or something along those lines. Frankly the format these movies are made in, there isn't much for an actor to do frankly. The least an actor can be is charismatic. Even in that regard I think Cavill was a bit lacking. Look at Downey in Iron Man films or Hemsworth in Thor films, the way they just overwhelm and dominate the movie, that is called charisma. Even Loki has it!

I wasn't comparing such acting tools to compare. More of the "wooden" aspects where people said Cavill had his wooden moments. It's silly to compare RDJR and CH's performances to Cavill's and compare their performances to one another. First off, Thor and IM had a much, much lighter tone of dialogue mixed in with light hearted moments of humor and comedic value, which opens up an actors ability to be "charismatic" or charming.

IM and Thor are products of a Marvel based setting that takes breaks from all things serious. Man of Steel was a balls to the walls origin film that left no room for anything but heavy sci-fi and realistic situations that called for an intense script even when the script called for a more lighter tone, which was rare. Cavill wasn't allowed to be that, but he was allowed to be intense and conflicted and with that, he nailed it. The ending to Man of Steel should really excite Super-fans. That smile he gave Lois Lane was a sign of things to come and that wa charismatic and heartfelt just in that one smile so I'm looking forward to Cavill's DP Clark Kent, where that character alone will call for some comedic references in value. Can't wait for HC's interpretation of that boundry.

 

[John-An]

I wasn't comparing such acting tools to compare. More of the "wooden" aspects where people said Cavill had his wooden moments. It's silly to compare RDJR and CH's performances to Cavill's and compare their performances to one another. First off, Thor and IM had a much, much lighter tone of dialogue mixed in with light hearted moments of humor and comedic value, which opens up an actors ability to be "charismatic" or charming.

IM and Thor are products of a Marvel based setting that takes breaks from all things serious. Man of Steel was a balls to the walls origin film that left no room for anything but heavy sci-fi and realistic situations that called for an intense script even when the script called for a more lighter tone, which was rare. Cavill wasn't allowed to be that, but he was allowed to be intense and conflicted and with that, he nailed it. The ending to Man of Steel should really excite Super-fans. That smile he gave Lois Lane was a sign of things to come and that wa charismatic and heartfelt just in that one smile so I'm looking forward to Cavill's DP Clark Kent, where that character alone will call for some comedic references in value. Can't wait for HC's interpretation of that boundry.

 

[DCnightwing23]

I wasn't comparing such acting tools to compare. More of the "wooden" aspects where people said Cavill had his wooden moments. It's silly to compare RDJR and CH's performances to Cavill's and compare their performances to one another. First off, Thor and IM had a much, much lighter tone of dialogue mixed in with light hearted moments of humor and comedic value, which opens up an actors ability to be "charismatic" or charming.

IM and Thor are products of a Marvel based setting that takes breaks from all things serious. Man of Steel was a balls to the walls origin film that left no room for anything but heavy sci-fi and realistic situations that called for an intense script even when the script called for a more lighter tone, which was rare. Cavill wasn't allowed to be that, but he was allowed to be intense and conflicted and with that, he nailed it. The ending to Man of Steel should really excite Super-fans. That smile he gave Lois Lane was a sign of things to come and that wa charismatic and heartfelt just in that one smile so I'm looking forward to Cavill's DP Clark Kent, where that character alone will call for some comedic references in value. Can't wait for HC's interpretation of that boundry.

Absolutely breathtaking, couldn't agree more