BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - Part 11

[zryson]

800 million is impressive. But seriously, if a film with Superman AND Batman only makes like 150 million more than a solo Superman film then it isn't showing much potential for growth. I imagine they'll continue with Justice League films and Superman and Batman films... but i think they'll start second guessing expanding beyond that with other solo heroes.

I want to see solo Wonder Woman and Flash films... but if BvS isn't a mega hit i think they'll get cold feet again and just stick to Supes and Bats, using the other characters in JL.

800 million would be low end for a movie starring the biggest superheroes Warner Bros has. So on that point I agree with you. Will BvS gross a billion? That's hard to do. And so many things will play a role in the outcome. Even trying to guess what it will do when 2016 is so far away (March, no less) is difficult. But WB will need all the momentum it gets especially with Justice League soon to follow. But ultimately superhero films sail upon how the actors and story plays out with the audience and too often the end result doesnt match the resulting hype and speculation prior to the movie being released.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Do you see this? Please people tell me you see this?


Apparently if BvS gets $800 million or in that ball park, it's a failure. However it also can't make $1 billion plus. So in other words... Doomed to fail unless... What, it makes $900 million? How about in a world of piracy the idea of making $800 million is pretty damned impressive. How about, understanding that it's hard to make $1 billion without some interesting hustle *cough* Iron Man 3 putting in scenes just for the Chinese market*cough*. This isn't the same market as even when TDK came out. Piracy takes a bigger chunk every year out of BO grosses and the international market matters more and more. So frankly if BvS makes $800 million WW, WB will be more than happy and probably continue with the DCCU as planned.

 

[Raelis Shae]

Krypton Inc. it's cute the way you rationalise Zryson's comments. You know they always will fail to make sense

 

[slumcat]

What is more striking and absurd to me is how Iron Man 3 entered the discussion when neither of the previous parties mentioned it.

Billion is not a big deal anymore. We nowadays have multiple films doing that in a year. DC did it with its last 2 films starring Batman, last 2! So it doesn't seem out of the ordinary to me that they will expect a billion, infact kinda seems like common sense. And Fox and Marvel have had their team up movies be the highest earning in their universes so of course there is a template for BvS to be a potential monster hit.

Also factor in that DC spends way more on its production and marketing than competitors so honestly they need even bigger grosses to cover their bases. And they are relying on BvS to catapult multiple properties for them into the marketplace, it is essentially their all eggs in one basket, of course they want it to be super successful. And they also want to win back some measure of critical respectability after the mauling of MOS at the hands of critics.

 

[zryson]

What is more striking and absurd to me is how Iron Man 3 entered the discussion when neither of the previous parties mentioned it.

Billion is not a big deal anymore. We nowadays have multiple films doing that in a year. DC did it with its last 2 films starring Batman, last 2! So it doesn't seem out of the ordinary to me that they will expect a billion, infact kinda seems like common sense. And Fox and Marvel have had their team up movies be the highest earning in their universes so of course there is a template for BvS to be a potential monster hit.

Also factor in that DC spends way more on its production and marketing than competitors so honestly they need even bigger grosses to cover their bases. And they are relying on BvS to catapult multiple properties for them into the marketplace, it is essentially their all eggs in one basket, of course they want it to be super successful. And they also want to win back some measure of critical respectability after the mauling of MOS at the hands of critics.

I agree with much of your post slumcat. Warner Bros are definitely relying heavily upon BvS to catapult and give momentum to what follows. To also win back critical respect would be important too. So its definitely going to be a couple of interesting years.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Critics are like nipples on a man. Completely ****ing useless.

 

[slumcat]

I think DC fans have a love-hate relationship with film critics. They would tout them as authority when say a film like TDK gets good reviews but then denounce them when a film like MOS gets panned by them.

 

[slumcat]

Twilight was pretty close! Thank the Fates that Cavill looks mature even when he was in his 20s...something that will help him get better roles, I hope.

I do want to see him do a voice-over role for an animated film though...still, that voice demands to be in the 'hero' role. Oh the limitations of being perfect

He was never directly offered Twilight or even had discussion with the studio. The author mentioning that Cavill circa Monte Cristo would have been perfect is as far as it went. No offers were made and no deals were discussed.

And while taking about missed opportunities, how about him missing 300! Look what that did for Fassbender.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Well, since a (slim) majority of critics like MOS, I don't have any problem with them.

Oh wait... I forgot... 44 percent is a majority in fanboy world.

 

[STARMAN]

MOS wasn't panned. Nor was it praised. Reviews were mixed.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Exactly. But on these boards, "mixed reviews" is translated as "OMFG EVERY CRITIC IN THE WORLD HATED IT MOVIE SUCKED MARVEL MARVEL MARVEL."

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

People certainly make it sound worse than it did. But, truthfully, 55% isn't something to be proud of.

 

[The Batman]

I think DC fans have a love-hate relationship with film critics. They would tout them as authority when say a film like TDK gets good reviews but then denounce them when a film like MOS gets panned by them.

Lots of fans do that, not just DC fans.

They like to use critic response when it suits them ("Hey, my favorite movie got 94% on RT!"), and bash them when it dosen't ("My favorite movie got below 60%, so %*&# critics.")

 

[lc23]

i wonder what other offers / roles have been given to Cavill since MOS...

You can bet whatever offers he has and will get are more numerous and better than Brandon Routh will ever get.

 

[SlamAdams]

I think DC fans have a love-hate relationship with film critics. They would tout them as authority when say a film like TDK gets good reviews but then denounce them when a film like MOS gets panned by them.

That goes beyond DC fans. Pretty much anyone arguing the quality of a particular film would say something along those lines.

 

[Rowsdower!]

People certainly make it sound worse than it did. But, truthfully, 55% isn't something to be proud of.

Yeah, I agree with that completely. I think most of us who liked the film wish it was rated higher. But acting like it was universally hated by critics or fans is as wrong as acting like the movie was universally praised.

 

[Krumm]

Lots of fans do that, not just DC fans.

They like to use critic response when it suits them ("Hey, my favorite movie got 94% on RT!"), and bash them when it dosen't ("My favorite movie got below 60%, so %*&# critics.")

For me, if it's widely liked or widely hated, then I think it's fair to use a critical response. If it's mixed, then who cares what they say? At that point it's just a matter of personal taste.

 

[The Endless]

Do you see this? Please people tell me you see this?


Apparently if BvS gets $800 million or in that ball park, it's a failure. However it also can't make $1 billion plus. So in other words... Doomed to fail unless... What, it makes $900 million? How about in a world of piracy the idea of making $800 million is pretty damned impressive. How about, understanding that it's hard to make $1 billion without some interesting hustle *cough* Iron Man 3 putting in scenes just for the Chinese market*cough*. This isn't the same market as even when TDK came out. Piracy takes a bigger chunk every year out of BO grosses and the international market matters more and more. So frankly if BvS makes $800 million WW, WB will be more than happy and probably continue with the DCCU as planned.

Who said 800 million is a failure?

But if a film with Superman AND Batman only (in a relative sense) makes 800 million, i can see WB getting cold feet about Wonder Woman and Flash and whoever else is not Superman or Batman solo films. They'll probably just use them in Justice League films.

 

[sportjames23]

Only $800 million?

SMH at some of the comments here.

 

[SlamAdams]

Who said 800 million is a failure?

But if a film with Superman AND Batman only (in a relative sense) makes 800 million, i can see WB getting cold feet about Wonder Woman and Flash and whoever else is not Superman or Batman solo films. They'll probably just use them in Justice League films.

The markets for Batman and Superman are not exclusive. it wouldn't be like 2 factions going to see the same movie. It would mostly be the same people seeing movies starring either character so I really don't think a Batman/Superman team up movie will do significantly better than any of them would solo. That might be the hope, but it can't be the expectation.

 

[Fallen Angel]

You know what film he would've been good at is Guy Ritchie's King Arthur reboot as Arthur or Lancelot but seeing as WB want to make a whole series of them films and his future Superman commitments that's not going to be feasible.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I think Henry could pull off Lancelot

 

[Raelis Shae]

^^He sure could!

 

[Bwahaha!]

800 million is impressive. But seriously, if a film with Superman AND Batman only makes like 150 million more than a solo Superman film then it isn't showing much potential for growth. I imagine they'll continue with Justice League films and Superman and Batman films... but i think they'll start second guessing expanding beyond that with other solo heroes.

I want to see solo Wonder Woman and Flash films... but if BvS isn't a mega hit i think they'll get cold feet again and just stick to Supes and Bats, using the other characters in JL.

Truly cannot imagine the first film featuring the DC Trinity won't make a billion. It'll likely make much more. I'm also optimistic BvS will be a better movie overall than MOS--and I freakin' LOVED MOS! I'm not on the Goyer hate bandwagon, but I'm super excited to see what Terrio did to Goyer's story/script. Heard a lot of stuff was just tweaked but he totally remixed the last act.

Also, re corp profits: my former fav restaurant, LA Food Show, closed...not because it wasn't making profits. It just wasn't making enough, supposedly. There is always the potential for more-More-MORE. This is how corporations think, and act. So I do believe $800 million would be disappointing to WB, but I'm not convinced that number falls into the grey area of not enough profits.

At any rate, JL will be filmed by the time BvS hits theaters. So we're at least getting those two. Plus Shazam. As for the solo movies like Wonder Woman and Aquaman, if they don't start shooting before March 2016, I can see WB getting cold feet if BvS underperforms...or if there's audience backlash against Momoa and Gadot.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Call it fangirl hysteria and I might end up being dead wrong and have to reference this post before the film even opens as I eat crow but no matter the quality (30% of the critics aren't going to like it regardless of it's actual quality) I think it is a virtual lock to make at least 900mil worldwide. I think a billion plus depends on how people feel about it.