BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - Part 2

[TheBat812]

I just think it's a role that makes it hard to qualify as disappearing because he's kind of just a normal nice guy who's dealing with some issues internally. It's not flamboyant, intense or really out there which is what typically captures your attention in terms of it being a standout performance. I agree with you for the most part, I really don't see Cavill when I see the movie, his performance is excellent. But I can also see why some might not label it as you have. And it's all just personal preference, so I dunno why llama was being so testy about it.

 

[TheBat812]

Bale in The Fighter would be my second choice. That dude was AMAZING in that movie. I couldn't even believe it was him.

Cavill though definitely embodied Superman. And I do think you could apply the disappear argument to him as well since I cannot see anyone else in the role. Reeve accomplished the same thing.

Yes! And this is a perfect example because it shows how important the role itself is to the perception of 'disappearing'. He definitely did in the fighter, but not everybody would say he did in the dark knight trilogy.

And he literally disappeared for both the prestige and the machinist.

 

[MrsKent26]

Yeah, it is personal preference really. I think maybe people thought I was claiming it as a fact.

And you are right about more flamboyant performances capturing more attention. It's easy to miss subtle performances and subtle actors in general. I consider and actor to "disappear" into a role if I see the character come to life and feel like an actual being that could exist in the right context. Physical transformation plays a role, but it's more about how that actor understands his or her character.

And Reeve could be added to my list too, huntress. There might be a couple others I've forgotten too. I didn't care much for the Reeve movies because they're just too old-fashioned for my tastes, but Reeve did what was required for that specific type of Superman.

 

[charl_huntress]

Yes! And this is a perfect example because it shows how important the role itself is to the perception of 'disappearing'. He definitely did in the fighter, but not everybody would say he did in the dark knight trilogy.

And he literally disappeared for both the prestige and the machinist.

Agreed. It wasn't the same sort of performance in the TDKT for sure.

I really don't see Cavill when I see the movie, his performance is excellent. But I can also see why some might not label it as you have. And it's all just personal preference, so I dunno why llama was being so testy about it.

Oh I understand this completely. It's a different performance which I would think requires a completely different set of acting muscles...and I think Llama is generally testy...lol.

 

[charl_huntress]

And Reeve could be added to my list too, huntress. There might be a couple others I've forgotten too. I didn't care much for the Reeve movies because they're just too old-fashioned for my tastes, but Reeve did what was required for that specific type of Superman.

Superman is a funny character to embody. I don't think Routh embodied him at all. He was embodying some weird Reeve hybrid, which is why he never worked for me. Yet for instance, Cain was never that great of a Superman, but his Clark is superb.

The fact the character is in fact two personas makes him a very interesting character to play for any actor. I think Cavill did an EXCELLENT job because he nailed both Clark and Superman. Reeve was a great Superman, but I always found his Clark to be the height of goofiness.

 

[MrsKent26]

I agree with your Superman assessments for the most part. I didn't like Reeve's goofy Clark either, but he was a great Superman. And one can't really argue that his Clark and Superman are the same, lol. I think Routh is just a bad actor. He seems like a nice person, but he's only been good in a couple of the light-hearted Clark scenes in SR. He wasn't good in non-Superman roles, either. All that blank-staring is too much. And I agree about Cain. His Clark was a regular guy that could blend in, which was appropriate. His Superman was a cheesy cardboard cut-out. But that series was more about Clark, than Superman. I loved Cavill as both Clark and Superman. But he only really played the "real" Clark, not Daily Planet Clark. He was DP Clark for a couple minutes. So I can't rate that aspect of the performance. Looking forward to it though.

 

[charl_huntress]

Real Clark is also DP Clark in someway...it's part of him. As Clark, Cavill was soft-spoken, polite and mild mannered throughout the whole movie. He got it right for me.

I'm more curious to see what type of Clark we get. Do we get the more modern and assertive Clark from L&C, or the humble farm boy guy from SV, or the goofy screwball Clark from STM? It could go a lot of ways.

 

[MrsKent26]

That's a good point. He could just be his soft-spoken self at the DP and let his more confident side out as Superman. I was thinking he'd have to create a DP persona, but his quiet guy personality would suffice.

 

[charl_huntress]

That's a good point. He could just be his soft-spoken self at the DP and let his more confident side out as Superman. I was thinking he'd have to create a DP persona, but his quiet guy personality would suffice.

That's actually how I think they will do it. If there is something good to be taken from SR, I will say it's the in the background Clark who doesn't draw attention to himself.

 

[John-An]

notice that in this picture. in this building people's still inside that building. I haven't noticed until now

 

[charl_huntress]

Those are ghost of people who have already died...lol....jk.

I didn't see that in the movie at all.

 

[Wise]

notice that in this picture. in this building people's still inside that building. I haven't noticed until now

Nonsense.

That's clearly a mannequin factory.

 

[John-An]

Nonsense.

That's clearly a mannequin factory.

sarcasm?

 

[MrsKent26]

^^^ They're just joking because they're nutty like that.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Did that building go crashing down? Kind of puts a fork in the argument all the buildings were empty.

 

[MrsKent26]

It didn't go down. That scene was when Zod and Supes were chasing each other around the city. The WE had already done its work by that point.

 

[Herolee10]

notice that in this picture. in this building people's still inside that building. I haven't noticed until now

And given that Zod comes out through that building, I guess it's safe to say that some of those folks were killed right away.

I'm actually wondering though...regarding this shot...is this a CGI model of Henry or Henry himself because the S on his chest doesn't look right..as it normally should for the real life suit...since the Yellow section that's normally on the upper left corner has been covered with red for this shot...thus I thought it may have been a CGI model of Henry due to how CGI artists can make that mistake at times...but the face looks so real.

 

[BH/HHH]

Was gonna say that building doesn't go crashing down and if Zod flies through it, he may have killed some people but that's hardly Supermans fault. And also Zod flying through people could have all been to one side.

 

[Rowsdower!]

The only building that goes down in the Superman/Zod fight is the one that they actually fight inside, which appeared to be evacuated. Other buildings get damaged (most notably part of a parking garage and the side of that one building where Supes and Zod fly straight at each other) but they didn't get demolished.

 

[John-An]

And given that Zod comes out through that building, I guess it's safe to say that some of those folks were killed right away.

I'm actually wondering though...regarding this shot...is this a CGI model of Henry or Henry himself because the S on his chest doesn't look right..as it normally should for the real life suit...since the Yellow section that's normally on the upper left corner has been covered with red for this shot...thus I thought it may have been a CGI model of Henry due to how CGI artists can make that mistake at times...but the face looks so real.

I don't know for sure but the S looked so well done and If you ask me I will say that it's Henry with the suit cause of the level of quality of the shot but I don't know if they had the wires to make the movement of superman so fast maybe a combination of the two (CGI and wires). you know in plenty of shots the suit and colors are pretty different according to ilumination and here it's almost sunset. IMO this shot (Supes flying) was so well done and looked so real that made me feel amazed.
look at these for example

the colors change according to the light and filter of the shot.

 

[Loki882]

Also, the building that does collapse collapsed because Zod punched Superman into it and then fired off his heat vision, so that wasn't Superman's fault either.

 

[The Shield]

I don't know for sure but the S looked so well done. you know in plenty of shots the suit and colors are pretty different according to ilumination and here it's almost sunset. IMO this shot (Supes flying) was so well done and looked so real that made me feel amazed.
look at this for example

What I've always wanted… And I got it! lol Snyder's awesome.

 

[John-An]

 

[Elayis]

And given that Zod comes out through that building, I guess it's safe to say that some of those folks were killed right away.

I'm actually wondering though...regarding this shot...is this a CGI model of Henry or Henry himself because the S on his chest doesn't look right..as it normally should for the real life suit...since the Yellow section that's normally on the upper left corner has been covered with red for this shot...thus I thought it may have been a CGI model of Henry due to how CGI artists can make that mistake at times...but the face looks so real.

I think it's probably his head on a CG body. With the crazy camera moves and choreography, I don't think they get the wire rigs to move the actors the way they needed to.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Also, the building that does collapse collapsed because Zod punched Superman into it and then fired off his heat vision, so that wasn't Superman's fault either.

Yeah, but Superman should have caught the empty building and saved all of the people who weren't inside.