BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[Tra-El]

**** whoever says Superman's a boring character. Dude is complex asf.

He was born Kal-El
He was raised as Clark Kent
Each are one half of Superman.

Dude is the quintessential immigrant.

I break Supes down into 4 categories:

Kal-EL
Farmboy; son Clark Kent
DAILY PLANET; Professional Clark Kent
Superman.

There's many variations of his personality that he seamlessly morphs into at any given time. Complex indeed and FAR from boring. In fact, being a Supes fan, I think he's one of the most fascinating and it shows in his stories where bad writers know absolutely nothing on what to do with him.

 

[MaceB]

Henry sounds like he is playing it the correct way...

Superman is the disguise for Clark Kent where as Bruce Wayne is the disguise for Batman.

I know it's not a popular opinion, but I've never seen it that way. Superman is Clark out of the closet. Superman is his true self, stepping into the greatness that he's always had but can't show to anyone. When he puts on the "S," it's a demonstration of him stepping into the greatness he was born into. Clark is the character in the closet. Clark has to hide who he is and keep his true feelings close to his chest to avoid speculation. They're both the same person, but Clark is the constructed self persona that he uses to maintain a connection to the common man, whereas Superman is who he is naturally.

Bruce is a character defined by the trauma of his childhood. When he goes to sleep at night, he dreams of that trauma. He's stuck in a vicious and obsessive cycle to undo the crime that happened to him, and like most traumas, that attempt only serves to perpetuate and reinforce the cycle. Only now, he's the one terrifying criminals instead of criminals terrifying him. Like most traumas, we become that which terrorized us; the victim becomes the victimizer. Batman is merely a manifestation of what has always and will always be inside him... hate for criminals. Bruce can't escape the Batman mantel - if he did, the trauma would simply resurface in other ways due to his inability to come to terms and accept his parent's death. A lot like PTSD actually.

So in my opinion, they are both more their super alter egos than their Clark or Bruce personas. At the end of the day, both Bruce and Clark are characters that Batman and Superman use to keep their secrets, but both are much more on the inside. Superman could operate without Clark and Batman could operate without Bruce (sorta.... I guess if you don't think about it financially), but the opposite is not true. Superman and Batman would be miserable living as just Clark and Bruce. It'd be like living a lie; not coming to terms with all that they could be.

 

[Bren]

Imagine Clark/Kal El likes beer. Which one would be comfortable drinking it in public?

 

[william]

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[sportjames23]

I break Supes down into 4 categories:

Kal-EL
Farmboy; son Clark Kent
DAILY PLANET; Professional Clark Kent
Superman.

There's many variations of his personality that he seamlessly morphs into at any given time. Complex indeed and FAR from boring. In fact, being a Supes fan, I think he's one of the most fascinating and it shows in his stories where bad writers know absolutely nothing on what to do with him.

Aye, this. All this.

 

[Jekecy]

I break Supes down into 4 categories:

Kal-EL
Farmboy; son Clark Kent
DAILY PLANET; Professional Clark Kent
Superman

What's your distinction between these two?

 

[The Shield]

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[MrsKent26]

What's your distinction between these two?

I'm not sure about him, but my distinction is as follows:

Kal-el is an alien baby from a dying planet, who has yet to encounter humans and be influenced by them in any way. He's a part of Kryptonian culture. I guess one could say a little bit of Kal-el returns to MOS superman when he learns about his culture.

Superman is an alien refugee and global figure who's altruistic nature leads him to spend his days helping humanity. He exhibits alien powers, but was raised human and interacts like them. He is basically an extraordinary Earthling at this point (or wishes to be, depending on the story).



The life cycle of the Superman: Kal-el (alien baby) becomes Clark Kent (son and farmboy) who then grows up to become Superman and branches into the triad of Adult Clark Kent (on the farm with Martha), Superman, and Daily Planet Clark.

 

[Tra-El]

What's your distinction between these two?

Kal-EL is of the mindset when something from Krypton or something from his home world peeks his interest or catch's his attention. I think this is where the Fortress of Solitude comes into play most of the time as he learns more from his heritage or organism's/species of other worlds; extraterrestrial's from other galaxies who would only know Kal from the House of EL and their importance to their known galaxy. In a nutshell, the Kal-EL distinction is Supes coming to terms and piecing together knowledge from not only his biological planet, but what else was and is out there that has an alien connection that may help him in discovering more as to why he is who he is.

Superman is of the mindset of the people of Earth. A champion he tries desperately to live up to givin' the morals of not only who he is as a person from his upbringing, but who he is as an example to his purpose on Earth and his destiny of who Jor-EL and Lara hoped for him to be the day their planet perished. Superman is simply the protector and guidance to anybody in need while he teach's through his actions of inspiration along the way to make our world a better place by the people. Superman is a leader and in most case's, just as every bit of a teacher than he is a superhero or God to us.

 

[TSG_Slick_Tony]

Kal-EL is of the mindset when something from Krypton or something from his home world peeks his interest or catch's his attention. I think this is where the Fortress of Solitude comes into play most of the time as he learns more from his heritage or organism's/species of other worlds; extraterrestrial's from other galaxies who would only know Kal from the House of EL and their importance to their known galaxy. In a nutshell, the Kal-EL distinction is Supes coming to terms and piecing together knowledge from not only his biological planet, but what else was and is out there that has an alien connection that may help him in discovering more as to why he is who he is.

Superman is of the mindset of the people of Earth. A champion he tries desperately to live up to givin' the morals of not only who he is as a person from his upbringing, but who he is as an example to his purpose on Earth and his destiny of who Jor-EL and Lara hoped for him to be the day their planet perished. Superman is simply the protector and guidance to anybody in need while he teach's through his actions of inspiration along the way to make our world a better place by the people. Superman is a leader and in most case's, just as every bit of a teacher than he is a superhero or God to us.

*Slow Clap * Well said, man.

 

[Superchan]

I will quote a tv promo from superman the movie:

"His name is kal-el, he calls himself Clark Kent and the world will know him as Superman"

To me that sums up supes quite well.

 

[The Shield]

I will quote a tv promo from superman the movie:

"His name is kal-el, he calls himself Clark Kent and the world will know him as Superman"

To me that sums up supes quite well.

And there it is people. Done and done.

 

[Herolee10]

Cool....

 

[MrsKent26]

^ What's that?

Wish it was a tad bigger...

 

[Tra-El]

That looks like it can come from BvS's version of this:

I hope they make one.

 

[DeadPresident]

^ What's that?

Wish it was a tad bigger...

The image or...?

 

[titansupes]

That looks like it can come from BvS's version of this:

I hope they make one.

They did. Comes out on the 22nd.

 

[Tra-El]

^NICE! I remember seeing that cover art but didn't make the connection it was that. Sweet dude.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

"I will hug you to your grave."

 

[matt47]

That looks like it can come from BvS's version of this:

I hope they make one.

I did not know there was concept art of Kelex armed and dangerous!!!

 

[Tra-El]

I did not know there was concept art of Kelex armed and dangerous!!!

It's a great book. Heavily detailed. Snyder is a visionary. The amount of time and effort put into this book and of the MoS Universe, I closed the book thinking the world could exist haha. Deeply detailed as if it was a history book of the concept of the world and how it works.

 

[moviefreak]

Flashback to 2002....20 yr old Cavill in his full Adonis glory

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[Guts]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I liked Cavill talking about the thought that went into his fight scenes as not showing Superman as a taught combatant.

I am wondering how far under Supes skin Bruce will go. How deeply will he dig to frazzle Supes?

 

[rogbngp]

I'm not sure about him, but my distinction is as follows:

Kal-el is an alien baby from a dying planet, who has yet to encounter humans and be influenced by them in any way. He's a part of Kryptonian culture. I guess one could say a little bit of Kal-el returns to MOS superman when he learns about his culture.

Superman is an alien refugee and global figure who's altruistic nature leads him to spend his days helping humanity. He exhibits alien powers, but was raised human and interacts like them. He is basically an extraordinary Earthling at this point (or wishes to be, depending on the story).



The life cycle of the Superman: Kal-el (alien baby) becomes Clark Kent (son and farmboy) who then grows up to become Superman and branches into the triad of Adult Clark Kent (on the farm with Martha), Superman, and Daily Planet Clark.

Love this. Exactly.

This is Superman if he were in the world we actually inhabit. He's an alien! Which is fertile ground to explore conceptually, dramatically, artistically, and mythically. And in my view that is what Snyder set out to do in MoS. For my taste it succeeds brilliantly. I loved every minute of the film when viewed through that lens.