BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Marvel Knight]

So will this film damage Henry's career?

He escaped critical backlash in MOS, but in BVS a common critical issue that comes up is that his performance is very wooden.
Whoever plays the next Superman needs to be Reeve level charismatic on screen and have a great screen presence. Superman deserves that and so do audiences.

 

[Rapunzel]

I can't believe how Superman was treated here. I feel it's a regression from his introspective self in MoS. Can't believe what a let down the senate scene was.

Didn't like the film then? In what ways did you think he regressed?

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Didn't like the film then? In what ways did you think he regressed?

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Nope. Didn't enjoy it. Personally, they gave him **** all to say as Superman again. I forgave it in MoS as he was just finding himself and I could accept his introspective phase. But here I thought he would find more of an identity after two years despite how the public perceived him. I understand being upset but man. Wasted opportunity at the senate hearing. I can't believe he didn't talk. This man raised by human parents since he was a baby shouldn't come off this...distant despite his God-like powers. It's bizarre because Cavill by himself is Superman without acting and doesn't appear so Alien. Personally I want his Superman to have the personality of his Clark Kent. I actually loved Kent more than Superman here. Also hated that they "killed" him. I wish he was doing more of the heroic stuff, spoke to the senate, and showed to enjoy saving people and not wanting to put them in danger then go by way of Doomsday to show that he'd sacrifice himself for the human race. Really disappointing. And Doomsday was just for show so the trinity could fight but even that coolness doesn't make the situation better.

 

[Rapunzel]

Sorry you didn't enjoy, Mrs. W. But what did you think of Batfleck?

 

[TheSuperBrando]

I LOVED it! A conflicted Superman dealing with real-world cynicism and unintended consequences. It's not just a simple thing being Superman, and I love that Clark has to wrestle with that.

 

[Tony Gunk]

He didn't kill the terrorist, this is why I think people are going overboard and really looking to pummel the movie even more than it deserves.

A human wouldn't go through concrete like that, he'd at best break one layer, given that and Superman mentioning he didn't kill anyone it's clear that he didn't kill him.

Horrible depiction of Superman all round though, Cavill's not wooden, it's just a really stale poorly written version of the character. Let's be honest, he did play second fiddle to Batman in this film, we all knew it would happen.

Still no real big Super rescues? All we get is this [BLACKOUT]lazy little montage of him landing with a girl, towing a ship and landing with a rocket, that was Snyders way of saying "See he does save people, now shut up about MOS". As a Superman fan I'd have liked more than that in a Superman movie. We were kind of teased into thinking we'd get a big rescue where you actually see the rescue, build suspense, they even teased a shirt rip! Was any of that in there? Nope, the whole thing was a big tease.
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Also, the senate! I was waiting for some great speech from Superman to speak to these people and explain his side, [BLACKOUT]I thought maybe this will be powerful, it can be uplifting. But in true Snyderman style he says nothing[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Mr. Wayne]

He escaped critical backlash in MOS, but in BVS a common critical issue that comes up is that his performance is very wooden.
Whoever plays the next Superman needs to be Reeve level charismatic on screen and have a great screen presence. Superman deserves that and so do audiences.

Reeve wouldn't do any better having to play this version of the character. I'm not going to sit here and say Henry is Marlon Brando. He isn't. Fortunately Superman doesn't require him to be. The problem is that the aspects he does well are not what Snyder is focusing on. Nobody can tell me that he doesn't scream Clark/Superman when he comes home with the flowers in the bath tub scene. That's a perfect portrayal and that character over the span of a movie is a winner. Unfortunately he's not being written or directed to behave like that most of the time. He's being written to be something he shouldn't be that doesn't suit Cavill or the character. Now as far as his career goes, he'll be ok. People have done a lot with less than what Cavill has going for him. Bond is definitely still in play especially if this goes up in flames and ends prematurely. He'll be able to find work somewhere I'm sure. He might even surprise some people, who knows. I don't think this will kill his career though however these films are received because I think most people recognize where the problem lies. Snyder's career is on the line much more than any of the cast.

 

[flickchick85]

I feel for Henry because I think he understands the character better than Snyder but unfortunately is not able to override him. If Henry had say Affleck's level of star power I think we'd be getting a very different Superman.

This reminds me of a comment from Henry from over a year ago that stuck with me. At some event he was asked about a potential Superman solo sequel and he stated how much he hopes that happens and described how much he loves the character, and he finished with, "I just hope the people on top feel the same way." That statement gave me pause because the way he said it made me think he actually doubted that they did. I always assumed I was reading too much into it, but now I can't help but wonder if there's a part of him that wasn't too thrilled with their planned direction for him.

 

[Rapunzel]

Flickchick-- I'm seriously scared Snyder has evil Supes up his sleeve. Cavill could be aware of that.

 

[Tony Gunk]

I hated how

Spoiler

After the Senate explosion, he just stands there amid the fire with a look on his face that all but says "Gosh darnit!"

Awful scene.

they could have at least finally given him some dialogue after [BLACKOUT]the explosion

BOOM!!!

"Well this is one for the books"[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Sorry you didn't enjoy, Mrs. W. But what did you think of Batfleck?

Spoiler

Batfleck was cool. Some characterization issues but it was developed. I wish there was more of him as Batman in the suit such as that first appearance "horror" scene. That was amazing! loved that so much. I actually got chills. And I also really enjoyed the opening credits with young Bruce. The almost Gothic nature of it all was really nice. Needless to say, I still very much want a Batman solo with this Batman. A lot of potential. In the cave, it was a nice mix of BTAS and Arkham games and that made me squeal. It's too bad it was all in a bad movie overall.

 

[Tony Gunk]

This reminds me of a comment from Henry from over a year ago that stuck with me. At some event he was asked about a potential Superman solo sequel and he stated how much he hopes that happens and described how much he loves the character, and he finished with, "I just hope the people on top feel the same way." That statement gave me pause because the way he said it made me think he actually doubted that they did. I always assumed I was reading too much into it, but now I can't help but wonder if there's a part of him that wasn't too thrilled with their planned direction for him.

That's exactly how he feels, I'm sure of it. In addition to this, on this this press tour he kept repeating that "We're still building towards the Superman we all know and love".

Henry's not stupid, he knows a lot of fans will be disappointed we're still stuck with mopeyman and this was just his way of preparing people for that.

 

[Mr. Wayne]

This reminds me of a comment from Henry from over a year ago that stuck with me. At some event he was asked about a potential Superman solo sequel and he stated how much he hopes that happens and described how much he loves the character, and he finished with, "I just hope the people on top feel the same way." That statement gave me pause because the way he said it made me think he actually doubted that they did. I always assumed I was reading too much into it, but now I can't help but wonder if there's a part of him that wasn't too thrilled with their planned direction for him.

Yeah that is a little troubling. Even though Batman is my favorite Superman has always been my number 2 and I think it would be a terrible shame to waste an actor who I think really gets the character and does him justice when allowed because the director is determined to make changes to satiate his own undeserved ego.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Flickchick-- I'm seriously scared Snyder has evil Supes up his sleeve. Cavill could be aware of that.

Spoiler

I got an Injustice vibe from that unnecessary, but cool looking, Nightmare scene. I hope to God they don't go that route after this.

 

[Tony Gunk]

Can I just say, the fact that we had months of people thinking that Superman in this film was actually Bizarro should tell you ALL you need to know about Zack Snyder's Superman.

 

[Marvel Knight]

Reeve wouldn't do any better having to play this version of the character. I'm not going to sit here and say Henry is Marlon Brando. He isn't. Fortunately Superman doesn't require him to be. The problem is that the aspects he does well are not what Snyder is focusing on. Nobody can tell me that he doesn't scream Clark/Superman when he comes home with the flowers in the bath tub scene. That's a perfect portrayal and that character over the span of a movie is a winner. Unfortunately he's not being written or directed to behave like that most of the time. He's being written to be something he shouldn't be that doesn't suit Cavill or the character. Now as far as his career goes, he'll be ok. People have done a lot with less than what Cavill has going for him. Bond is definitely still in play especially if this goes up in flames and ends prematurely. He'll be able to find work somewhere I'm sure. He might even surprise some people, who knows. I don't think this will kill his career though however these films are received because I think most people recognize where the problem lies. Snyder's career is on the line much more than any of the cast.

He doesn't have the charisma or range to play Bond unfortunately. I can't believe I watched Man From Uncle, but that's probably his best received movie. I feel like we've been blaming actor's wooden performances on the director for years. We did this ten years ago with Brandon Routh, blaming Singer because he forced Routh to imitate Reeve. Routh has improved nowadays, but I'm sure he was as wooden then as Cavill is now.

The next Superman actor really needs to be a dynamic actor, like Reeve. That's really missing here. Even Hemsworth would have done a fantastic job, he does comedy really well and audience seem to like him in the MCU films. Snyder focused more on making Cavill look like a jacked ape than focusing on bringing out a compelling and entertaining performance.

 

[Rowsdower!]

This reminds me of a comment from Henry from over a year ago that stuck with me. At some event he was asked about a potential Superman solo sequel and he stated how much he hopes that happens and described how much he loves the character, and he finished with, "I just hope the people on top feel the same way." That statement gave me pause because the way he said it made me think he actually doubted that they did. I always assumed I was reading too much into it, but now I can't help but wonder if there's a part of him that wasn't too thrilled with their planned direction for him.

Look at it this way... Snyder just admitted that he [BLACKOUT]killed Jimmy Olsen as a joke because he figured they'd never get around to really using him. That's a very important character in Superman's world... He's his equivalent to Robin. Not using him would be one thing but just flat out offing him because you just want to use Superman in team-up movies is awful. Snyder and WB don't care at all about the character. And it sucks.[/BLACKOUT]

So much potential there with Henry and they're squandering it. I could forgive a few missteps in MOS because I still found it to be a good movie overall. But this? The more I think about this movie, the angrier I get. I'm almost at the point where I hate it. I feel like I need to revise my review and downgrade it to 1/10.

 

[Tony Gunk]

He doesn't have the charisma or range to play Bond unfortunately. I can't believe I watched Man From Uncle, but that's probably his best received movie. I feel like we've been blaming actor's wooden performances on the director for years. We did this ten years ago with Brandon Routh, blaming Singer because he forced Routh to imitate Reeve. Routh has improved nowadays, but I'm sure he was as wooden then as Cavill is now.

The next Superman actor really needs to be a dynamic actor, like Reeve. That's really missing here. Even Hemsworth would have done a fantastic job, he does comedy really well and audience seem to like him in the MCU films. Snyder focused more on making Cavill look like a jacked ape than focusing on bringing out a compelling and entertaining performance.

You ever seen Reeve in roles outside of Superman? Because he's not really as dynamic as you seem to think.

 

[Mad Love]

Look at it this way... Snyder just admitted that he [BLACKOUT]killed Jimmy Olsen as a joke because he figured they'd never get around to really using him. That's a very important character in Superman's world... He's his equivalent to Robin. Not using him would be one thing but just flat out offing him because you just want to use Superman in team-up movies is awful. Snyder and WB don't care at all about the character. And it sucks.[/BLACKOUT]

So much potential there with Henry and they're squandering it. I could forgive a few missteps in MOS because I still found it to be a good movie overall. But this? The more I think about this movie, the angrier I get. I'm almost at the point where I hate it. I feel like I need to revise my review and downgrade it to 1/10.

No[BLACKOUT], Snyder said "Jimmy Olsen" turned out to be a CIA spook meaning that wasn't really Jimmy Olsen because CIA spooks don't use their real identities. So many people are misinterpreting what he said.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Marvel Knight]

You ever seen Reeve in roles outside of Superman? Because he's not really as dynamic as you seem to think.

Doesn't matter. His approach to Superman was great though. Some actors are best suited to specific roles. There is talent around today just like him, I'm just not convinced Cavill has that ability. Even if it's Snyder's fault, I can't judge what I can't see, and Snyder gave us a wooden Superman version devoid of joy, presence and charisma.

 

[Marvel Knight]

No[BLACKOUT], Snyder said "Jimmy Olsen" turned out to be a CIA spook meaning that wasn't really Jimmy Olsen because CIA spooks don't use their real identities. So many people are misinterpreting what he said.[/BLACKOUT]

That's bogus. The role was credited as [BLACKOUT]Jimmy Olsen[/BLACKOUT] in the credits. And Snyder confirmed in an interview that it indeed was him.

 

[Mr. Wayne]

He doesn't have the charisma or range to play Bond unfortunately. I can't believe I watched Man From Uncle, but that's probably his best received movie. I feel like we've been blaming actor's wooden performances on the director for years. We did this ten years ago with Brandon Routh, blaming Singer because he forced Routh to imitate Reeve. Routh has improved nowadays, but I'm sure he was as wooden then as Cavill is now.

The next Superman actor really needs to be a dynamic actor, like Reeve. That's really missing here. Even Hemsworth would have done a fantastic job, he does comedy really well and audience seem to like him in the MCU films. Snyder focused more on making Cavill look like a jacked ape than focusing on bringing out a compelling and entertaining performance.

He was runner up to Daniel Craig for Casino Royale and may well have gotten it if they didn't deem him too young at the time. He's got a chance at getting it still. I'd prefer Hardy to take over the tux myself so it's not like I'm clamoring for it but the producers clearly liked him and that may not have changed. I'm also not saying he's not wooden but there is a point where and actor can't save something. Daniel Day Lewis is not going to give you the Superman you want if it's not written properly or the director is determined to do something different. To use Matt Damon's thoughts on Batman it's not like Superman is King Lear. Cavill would be fine with better direction. If Paul Dini and Bruce Timm wrote a Superman movie tomorrow starring Cavill you can bet your bottom dollar it would be better received that Man of Steel because that's his wheelhouse. Mopey Superman isn't and it's not fair to fault him for being put in a position to fail.

 

[Marvel Knight]

Well I'm convinced Cavill is, at least, a better actor than Stephen Amell. Now there's wooden beyond belief.

 

[Vaibow]

can i just say, the fact that we had months of people thinking that superman in this film was actually bizarro should tell you all you need to know about zack snyder's superman.

exactly - response of the year

 

[Boy Scout]

Well I'm convinced Cavill is, at least, a better actor than Stephen Amell. Now there's wooden beyond belief.

No sir. I don't care who's better, but Amell certainly isn't wooden.