BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[javonstokess]

ITA that's what most people care about. Not whether the related themes and character conflicts were handled right.

It's how Superman is portrayed. There are deep themes in BvS, but I wonder how many Saturday afternoon movie-goers get that. They are going for an afternoon of enjoyment and not to write a paper for school analyzing the film.

Superman has been mostly stoic in the new 52. But DC is doing a Rebirth of their line and Superman it seems is being walked back from the more stoic character of the New 52. Written now by of all people Jurgens - what goes around comes around and any business has to cater to what pleases their clientele in the end.
This is not Cavill's Superman to me. This is Snyder's and secondarily WB's Superman. At this moment in time.

Cavill keeps saying this is not the Superman we all know and love yet.

I'd bet any amount of money Cavill wouldn't be saying this if people LOVED this verison...

 

[Miss Lois Lane]

The full interview from last night's Conan O'Brien show is up at http://teamcoco.com/

 

[C. Lee]

Why was my post deleted?

I wasn't disrespect or uncivil, I just didn't like the version of Superman presented in the movie.

Did you read this post by me?

Now.....this is the Henry Cavill is Superman thread.

That means it is for the discussing of Henry Cavill's performance as Superman.

I don't care if you loved or hated his performance...you will post respectfully and civilly while discussing it with people who do not share your opinion.

Your post wasn't about Cavill as a person....it wasn't about Cavill as an actor....it wasn't about Cavill as Superman. Your post was a multipost rebuttle of a couple of other people discussing the Senate bombing and other things. I don't care how respectful you were when discussing it....it had nothing to do with the purpose of this thread.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

This version of Superman is slowly moving and evolving toward Superman as we know him. Dealing with a lot of the conflicts and knocks against the character (He's too strong, he's too perfect, he's too cheesy, etc) in a very serious manner before presenting Superman in all his glory. We can debate all day long whether that was the right approach, but its obvious that this has been done very intentionally.

Wait, this arc was forced on the character due to the backlash from the first film, and to help explain batmans motivation in this film. That's not saying that it was handled well, or poorly, that's a different argument. But this wasn't planned, the end of MOS makes it pretty clear this wasn't the original plan.

 

[Miss Lois Lane]

Wait, this arc was forced on the character due to the backlash from the first film, and to help explain batmans motivation in this film. That's not saying that it was handled well, or poorly, that's a different argument. But this wasn't planned, the end of MOS makes it pretty clear this wasn't the original plan.

Although I have nothing but positive things to say about Cavill's performance and what we've seen of his Clark/Superman so far, I agree with this. Despite what Zack Snyder and WB have said I don't think it was ever their intention to go in this direction or indeed to bring in Batman. The 'wanton destruction' criticism had to be addressed, and the disappointment that the film didn't gross over $1 billion led to them panicking and bringing out their tried-and-trusted box office winner, Batman.

 

[Golgo-13]

How are they going to explain Clarke's resurrection in JL? Supes is an alien so ppl will buy him coming back, but people (within the movie-verse) are going to be like wtf when they see Clarke return.....

..i hope Synder and co have thought this through, and aren't making it up as they go along.

 

[Tobias]

I'd bet any amount of money Cavill wouldn't be saying this if people LOVED this verison...

Probably. Yet Cavill is not afraid to stray off the reservation a bit.

In last summer's Mens Health he said he hoped the "big cheses" at WB cared about Superman as much as he does.

 

[kalhawj]

The full interview from last night's Conan O'Brien show is up at http://teamcoco.com/

It was a great interview. I enjoy every minute of it. This cast is amazing and love Ben and Henry. Ben is just simply funny fun guy to hang out with.

 

[Miss Lois Lane]

It was a great interview. I enjoy every minute of it. This cast is amazing and love Ben and Henry. Ben is just simply funny fun guy to hang out with.

Ben and Henry's bromance has been great, as has Amy and Gal's...womance? I've said it before but Henry really seems to have come out of his shell compared to the MoS promotion.

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Bonus from here. I've tried to keep my mind out of the gutter, I really have, but between this cast and Tumblr, seriously...

 

[The Infernal]

Huh. Just noticed Digific got banned. Was it for this thread?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Ben and Henry's bromance has been great, as has Amy and Gal's...womance? I've said it before but Henry really seems to have come out of his shell compared to the MoS promotion.
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Bonus from here. I've tried to keep my mind out of the gutter, I really have, but between this cast and Tumblr, seriously...

That Conan interview was hilarious, would love to see them let some of the casts banter bleed into JL at least a little bit.

 

[matt47]

Henry is nasty! Super smell!???

 

[BarryAllen]

ITA that's what most people care about. Not whether the related themes and character conflicts were handled right.

It's how Superman is portrayed. There are deep themes in BvS, but I wonder how many Saturday afternoon movie-goers get that. They are going for an afternoon of enjoyment and not to write a paper for school analyzing the film.

Superman has been mostly stoic in the new 52. But DC is doing a Rebirth of their line and Superman it seems is being walked back from the more stoic character of the New 52. Written now by of all people Jurgens - what goes around comes around and any business has to cater to what pleases their clientele in the end.

I disagree on this being Cavill's Superman. This is Snyder's and secondarily WB's Superman. At this moment in time.

Cavill keeps saying this is not the Superman we all know and love yet.

LMAO like what?

 

[stargazer]

I like Henry as Superman. And I like his suit. The colors looked fantastic in the film.

He needs to smile a bit more next time, though. He is Superman.

 

[BH/HHH]

I honestly think people are thinking way to much about them it even able to bring Clark back. The people at his funeral were locals in Smallville who Goyer has said know Clark is Superman. There was if course as Lois, Bruce and Diana. Although it was reported in the newspaper there are still wars around it:

- if they let Perry in on the secret (although tbf I think he knows anyway) he could say Clark was on a top secret expose that needed him to be considered dead.
- if a shapeshifter is introduced in this universe they could always do the whole he was buried under the rubble and found an old bomb shelter, exactly as he did in the Return of Superman.

Those are just two examples right there, it doesn't matter if you think they are realy believable or not. What matters is they can be used as explanations in a comic book film which can only ever skirt the line of realism anyway.

 

[Herolee10]

Unless Henry has a cameo already scheduled in WW in some form of way, if JL doesn't come out as originally planned for November 2017, then I'm afraid that it might be awhile guys before we see Henry's Superman back on the big screen.

 

[BH/HHH]

I wouldn't like to say for sure but given what Henry hinted at he's gonna have some sort of a cameo in WW. Also say JL is delayed its gonna be by months not years so we'd probably only have to wait until 2018 for it anyway. I wouldn't worry, Justice League is happening and it will be before the next solo Batman film.

 

[Herolee10]

Right now, Snyder left Superman's fate in such a bad position that unless Snyder plans on really going all out with Superman in JL (in a good way) then I'm afraid on what might be in stored for the character if someone else who isn't as fond of Superman comes on board as Snyder's replacement.

 

[BH/HHH]

Right now, Snyder left Superman's fate in such a bad position that unless Snyder plans on really going all out with Superman in JL (in a good way) then I'm afraid on what might be in stored for the character if someone else who isn't as fond of Superman comes on board as Snyder's replacement.

I don't agree that he's left his fate in a bad position at all. It just requires the right story to bring him back from the dead which I believe they have with JL.

 

[Herolee10]

I don't agree that he's left his fate in a bad position at all. It just requires the right story to bring him back from the dead which I believe they have with JL.

Yeah, but if Snyder is terminated from JL, then it's up to the new Director to decide on whether to pursue Snyder's original version or go with something new entirely.

The best example for this would be on how X3 shaped out to be something completely different from what Singer had in mind originally, due to Ratner coming on board.

 

[Loki882]

How is it that Snyder can make even a montage of Superman SAVING PEOPLE seem so dour and depressing. I mean geesh, I don't need or want full-on Chris Reeves in there, but give me something and give Cavill something to work with.

 

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[HELLilac]

Yeah, but if Snyder is terminated from JL, then it's up to the new Director to decide on whether to pursue Snyder's original version or go with something new entirely.

The best example for this would be on how X3 shaped out to be something completely different from what Singer had in mind originally, due to Ratner coming on board.

The positive thing about Superman position right now is that I don't think WB would have a ball to drop Superman from JL line up so even with a new director coming on board he/she still has to find a way to bring him back.

Ratner chose the laziest way possible to sell his version of X-MEN by having Wolverine taken over Cyclops role. As popular as Batman is I don't think he can take over Superman's role, not in the battle at least.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, but if Snyder is terminated from JL, then it's up to the new Director to decide on whether to pursue Snyder's original version or go with something new entirely.

The best example for this would be on how X3 shaped out to be something completely different from what Singer had in mind originally, due to Ratner coming on board.

I guess we will see, I personally don't think Snyder will be dropped from the project. It starts shooting in what 9 days? Not that they can't pull the plug at anytime but I think they're gonna go all in.

I do think this will be Snyder's last directed effort in the DCEU no matter what happens with JL.

 

[Herolee10]

I guess we will see, I personally don't think Snyder will be dropped from the project. It starts shooting in what 9 days? Not that they can't pull the plug at anytime but I think they're gonna go all in.

I do think this will be Snyder's last directed effort in the DCEU no matter what happens with JL.

It's really up in the air at this point. Is Warner Bros going to want to risk losing out on more potential money because they were too afraid to invest in another director and delay their original plans?