BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[Rapunzel]

Spot on, Sawyer. I think in trying to address MoS' critics, Snyder ended up with a film a that didn't allow people to move past those complainants. And given that BvS is longer, it actually feels like more of MoS. Throw in Batman and the DoS, and it's a recipe for disaster.

WB has a penchant for ruining themselves this way...when Batman Returns was "too dark" it course corrected with the Shumaker films, nearly burying the Bat. It seems in their course correction of MoS, they tried another correction which didn't fully work.

This is why I fear what replacing snyder might result in...I fear WB is too paranoid to properly adjust this franchise. The fact they seemed to have ruined this film with a last minute edit of 30 minutes less shows they don't really have the best ideas up in their HQ.

Iif the Ultimate Cut comes out and vastly improves this picture, the someone who ordered the cut needs fiiring.

 

[Loki882]

Pre- actually watching BVS, I liked the idea of them addressing what went on with all the destruction at the end of MOS and using that as a jumping off point for a conflict with Batman, but seeing the end result of them just f***ing dwelling on anything and everything he does really put me off it. I honestly pray that JL or Affleck's solo Bat-film avoid even touching on that character killing criminals in BVS at all. Just make him not kill in the future, it doesn't need to actually be touched on.

And my hope is that post-death and resurrection Superman is fully-formed Supes. No dwelling, no detachment, less introspective behavior.

Honestly for as much as this movie was supposed to be (per Snyder and co's words) about addressing the fallout from MOS, it really wasn't. Zod's attacks, the chaos/destruction in both Smallville and Metropolis, the deaths of thousands of people (including US military personnel), and Superman keeping his existence hidden from the world for decades. THAT is what the senate hearings should have been about, and THAT should have gotten more focus.

Instead, some terrorist attack in Africa seems more important, when trying to blame it on Superman makes FAR less sense in-context.

 

[Rapunzel]

Ultimate cut.....I want that Ultimate cut. I'm dying to know what is missing from the Africa and possibly Senate stuff.

 

[Flint Marko]

The Africa sequence, in its finished form, made no sense and should've been cut entirely. The senate hearing should have been about the attacks in Metropolis. There's no getting around that.

 

[Sawyer]

Yeah, I think they easily could've gotten away with cutting the Africa sequence.

 

[matt47]

The Africa sequence, in its finished form, made no sense and should've been cut entirely. The senate hearing should have been about the attacks in Metropolis. There's no getting around that.

This ohhhhhhhhhhh this.

 

[Plaidchuck]

I get the africa sequence, it showed lois and clark were continuing their relationship and.gave a taste of supermans.power. But the whole lexcorp bullet subplot just to show that lex was trying to frame superman was unnecessary.

 

[matt47]

Yeah, I think they easily could've gotten away with cutting the Africa sequence.

You're right. I cut it out of a cam version and it doesn't feel like anything is missing.

 

[Flint Marko]

Yeah, I think they easily could've gotten away with cutting the Africa sequence.

I think they kept it in to give Lois something to do but it's ultimately meaningless because she discovers something that everyone already knows - Lex is evil and plotting behind the scenes. And she doesn't do anything particularly useful with this infomation if I remember correctly.

 

[Verick808]

The Africa sequence, in its finished form, made no sense and should've been cut entirely. The senate hearing should have been about the attacks in Metropolis. There's no getting around that.

Yep, I actually enjoyed the film and I don't understand why those scenes were kept in. There was so much the film had to do and they wasted time on such a useless plotline. At the the very minimum it would have made the film shorter if they cut it. At best some scenes could have been added that either fleshed out Luthor or let us see a fun Superman scene. Just one without social commentary would have been nice. Don't get me wrong I like the montage after he saved the girl from fire, it just would have been nice to see a rescue there that wasn't through the eyes of the world, but Superman's.

 

[Flint Marko]

Yep, I actually enjoyed the film and I don't understand why those scenes were kept in. There was so much the film had to do and they wasted time on such a useless plotline. At the the very minimum it would have made the film shorter if they cut it. At best some scenes could have been added that either fleshed out Luthor or let us see a fun Superman scene. Just one without social commentary would have been nice. Don't get me wrong I like the montage after he saved the girl from fire, it just would have been nice to see a rescue there that wasn't through the eyes of the world, but Superman's.

Agreed

 

[Brother Jack]

How the heck is Superman framed for the terrorist murders when they were all shot? He doesn't use guns. Also, why would the U.S. have a problem with Superman killing terrorists?

 

[Flint Marko]

How the heck is Superman framed for the terrorist murders when they were all shot? He doesn't use guns. Also, why would the U.S. have a problem with Superman killing terrorists?

I'm not even clear as to who died in the Africa sequence other than Jimmy Olsen. Just terrorists? Villagers? What's happening here, folks?

 

[matt47]

I need the extended cut now! I've been able to cut the movie to under two hours by cutting that africa stuff out and now I want to add in the extra scenes.

 

[Brother Jack]

I'm not even clear as to who died in the Africa sequence other than Jimmy Olsen. Just terrorists? Villagers? What's happening here, folks?

Alien bullets. That's what's going on.

 

[titansupes]

Alien bullets. That's what's going on.

Correction-- LexCorp experimental bullets, which were easily traced back to Lex... When generic bullets would have been fine.

 

[matt47]

Correction-- LexCorp experimental bullets, which were easily traced back to Lex... When generic bullets would have been fine.

haha exactly! why bother making these special bullets.

 

[Logan0327]

Pre- actually watching BVS, I liked the idea of them addressing what went on with all the destruction at the end of MOS and using that as a jumping off point for a conflict with Batman, but seeing the end result of them just f***ing dwelling on anything and everything he does really put me off it. I honestly pray that JL or Affleck's solo Bat-film avoid even touching on that character killing criminals in BVS at all. Just make him not kill in the future, it doesn't need to actually be touched on.

And my hope is that post-death and resurrection Superman is fully-formed Supes. No dwelling, no detachment, less introspective behavior.

thats what upsets me is that MOS ended with this shot

so why did we have to go 10 steps back and make him as gloomy as he was in the beginning of MOS in BVS??

 

[Rapunzel]

I got the impression that Lex's men, led by KG Beast, killed the Warlord's men, and then went into the village and started killing, or killings started in the village due to the Warlord's men being shot by Lex's men. The goal was, I think, to show that death and chaos follow Supes everywhere, and that he needs to be stopped from any interference in other countries.

It could also be that those women were lying about the deaths in the village. It makes very little sense though because too much is cut from the background. It would have been better to cut that whole aspect and keep in more scene's related to Clark investigating Batman. However, it is cool that Lois proves Lex's connection to terrorism.

But then the whole thing gets even more confusing-- Lex is arrested for the Capitol bombing, not anything Africa related....though we've spent all our time on that evidence and none on any evidence linking him to the Capitol incident.

Maybe Mercy escaped and ratted on him cause he left her there to die? I'd like that in the Ultimate Cut.

 

[Verick808]

I'd love to think that Mercy managed to escape somehow. Seemed like such a waste.

 

[kalelvis]

thats what upsets me is that MOS ended with this shot

so why did we have to go 10 steps back and make him as gloomy as he was in the beginning of MOS in BVS??

I do wish there was more of a happy Clark/superman in the movie, and we see that in his scene with Lois (bath tub) and when he rescues the girl from the fire...but given the mounting negative reactions to his actions it would be odd for him to be happy. What stands out to me is that even with that criticism he still keeps taking action.

 

[Loki882]

So why did Lex's goons use specialized bullets that could easily be traced back to him and his company by any semi-competent reporter/investigator when, you know, normal much harder to trace bullets would have worked just fine?

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

I'm nervous that they're going to adapt that terrible story in some way for JL.

Unfortunately i think its clear with Flash's warning that thats where Zack is going with things. Plus with killing off Clark it's easier to kill off Lois. Yay, then we'll get more mopey Superman after the Justice League get to beat some sense into him.

 

[Mindreaper21]

So why did Lex's goons use specialized bullets that could easily be traced back to him and his company by any semi-competent reporter/investigator when, you know, normal much harder to trace bullets would have worked just fine?

It's Africa an no one was really expected to investigate. People chose not to care about minor details just like people in real life.

A lot of this stuff is literally explained in the movie. As for the entire Africa scene, I believe it was needed. The majority of Lois's subplot depended on that scene. Lois's character always gets herself in trouble. Otherwise she's pointless and won't help to build why she is the "key" in the upcoming movies.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

you ditch africa, have scooter blow up the metropolis senate hearings, have lois investigate his relationship with lex. Lois is the key because of what she means to Clark, she ties him to his humanity. not because shes going around involved in everything.