BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 26

[Herolee10]

Would it really bad thing for Snyder to allow Superman to beat Batman though in their confrontation? Or to at least have it end in a draw?

It just doesn't feel like there was enough indication to show that Superman could have defeated end in a stalemate with Batman had he given his all as well. The fight was just too one sided. I mean, I know that the goal was to have Batman realize on how far he had fallen from his original code of conduct, but having Superman get his ass kicked by Batman after having endured so much crap from people in the film beforehand was just overkill imho.

Plus, when all else is said and done, which character needed the win/draw the most? Batman will always be more popular with fans, so was feeding Superman to him and killing his credibility as a competent hero/fighter really worth it?

 

[AnneFan]

If that second grenade wasn't fired, Supes had the fight won. But it was fired, so that's history. In hand to hand combat, Batman is going to win. Especially when he's in a bad mood. I think at some point in the fight, Batman had to realise he was doing something wrong. And with Superman dying at the end anyway, Batman really doesn't feel good about it now. He feels sick to his guts.

 

[Herolee10]

But at the end of the day, did Superman's character really benefit from this "historic" matchup between him and Batman?

 

[Herolee10]

Just to add to it, I feel like we have a Obi-Wan/Anakin situation going on here.

Batman "beats" Superman but it's Superman that ends up beating Doomsday; reminds me of the whole how can Obi-Wan beat Anakin if he was defeated by Dooku who was killed by Anakin question/debate?lol

Makes me wonder though...if Batman could really beat Superman on his best day in this universe, then could he do the same with Doomsday if he had sufficient amount of time to prepare for the battle?

 

[AnneFan]

Well, technically. He had the spear idea, and would've found a way to fire it at the required speed.

The point is that Batman went too far. He had his man down and gave him hell. Superman was a lot more in touch with his humanity than Batman.

 

[sf2]

But at the end of the day, did Superman's character really benefit from this "historic" matchup between him and Batman?

well, i have seen comments that they become superman fans because of this movie. and i have become a big Cavill superman fan.

the superman haters will still hate superman though.

ya, it is painful to see him get defeated and beaten up badly.

but it was done before... in the previous movies... but even more silly villains. (in regularly in comics too)

 

[Herolee10]

Well, technically. He had the spear idea, and would've found a way to fire it at the required speed.

The point is that Batman went too far. He had his man down and gave him hell. Superman was a lot more in touch with his humanity than Batman.

Batman would just need to figure out on how to impale Doomsday in a Flash.

Yeah, I definitely get that point. No doubt about it. I just feel like Snyder could have approached it a bit differently, where superman wasn't at Batman's mercy. Or at least strongly establish that Superman wasn't there to fight/beat him into submission and that he wasn't giving it his all so that..in this way, it would be well established that this was a rigged fight from the start.

 

[Herolee10]

ya, it is painful to see him get defeated and beaten up badly.

but it was done before... in the previous movies... but even more silly villains. (in regularly in comics too)

Well truth be told, I would rather see him get the crap beaten out of him by a villain (no matter how silly they are) then lose to Batman and be viewed as Batman's lesser as opposed to being his equal.

I feel like this film just pretty much stated that Superman is the lesser hero out of Batman in the end because he couldn't beat Batman and because he won't be the one that'll lead a new age of heroism by ushering in the Justice League.

 

[sf2]

Just to add to it, I feel like we have a Obi-Wan/Anakin situation going on here.

Batman "beats" Superman but it's Superman that ends up beating Doomsday; reminds me of the whole how can Obi-Wan beat Anakin if he was defeated by Dooku who was killed by Anakin question/debate?lol

Makes me wonder though...if Batman could really beat Superman on his best day in this universe, then could he do the same with Doomsday if he had sufficient amount of time to prepare for the battle?

you are crazy to think that.

doomsday has no mercy. it would not just push or toss him around. it would just kill him right away.

u know, a blast... the end.

in the BvS fight -
batman intention is to kill superman
superman intention is to ask batman to help out...
go and figure...

 

[sf2]

Well truth be told, I would rather see him get the crap beaten out of him by a villain (no matter how silly they are) then lose to Batman and be viewed as Batman's lesser as opposed to being his equal.

I feel like this film just pretty much stated that Superman is the lesser hero out of Batman in the end because he couldn't beat Batman and because he won't be the one that'll lead a new age of heroism by ushering in the Justice League.

well, don't compete with batman... as some said... he is batgod... he can kill the entire JL... the writer has written so...

i mean.. if WB /DC still believe batman is the only & most bankable DC character... he will get the most spotlight, the most movies, the most animations.. the most video games, the most of everything...

so piece of advise... don't compete with the batgod... lol

 

[sf2]

btw, the BvS fight scene
here is a refinement i would make:-

in the fight scene between superman v batman. After superman began to regain his power and threw batman away across the floors. he shouldn't charge in anymore. superman saw batman is lying prone on the debris, motionlessly. He x-rayed to see bruce's heartbeat is fading... he sprinted to him and picked him up, feeling terrible and regret... "please... don't..." batman eyes snapped open. "got u!" he pressed the kryptonite gas... then we see the titan slowly falling down right in front of the towering bat...

herolee, hope you will like it.

superman just gotta lose in order to save batman.

 

[Jaxon]

But at the end of the day, did Superman's character really benefit from this "historic" matchup between him and Batman?

Yes because Bruce's turn back to being good is the thing that cements in Superman's mind that even the lost can be saved by just being the man John Kent raised him to be, and that ultimately gets him to the point of " this is my world"😞

 

[Naked Shia]

Superman was such a manipulator and a schemer in this movie. He's a pure pervet, toying with Batman's feelings towards his mother.

 

[sf2]

Jun 30, 2016 6:45:04 GMT 8 krisskringle said:
Did someone say GIFs?

look like they are having fun! are their arms really heavy? why on the table?

 

[Sleiek]

They have to pause for the shot. So the table helps I guess.

 

[sf2]

They have to pause for the shot. So the table helps I guess.

but... it's their hand! or the bat armor is really heavy.

 

[Herolee10]

Yes because Bruce's turn back to being good is the thing that cements in Superman's mind that even the lost can be saved by just being the man John Kent raised him to be, and that ultimately gets him to the point of " this is my world"😞

Well, at most..it's definitely a win-lose situation. On one hand, Superman helps redeem Batman from his old ways, but does so only after getting his ass handed to him.

I just hope that it doesn't become a general consensus that Batman can beat Superman at any given time as a result of this fim.

 

[sf2]

bvs herolee style
wait for the video to load.
cheer.

 

[sf2]

Well, at most..it's definitely a win-lose situation. On one hand, Superman helps redeem Batman from his old ways, but does so only after getting his ass handed to him.

I just hope that it doesn't become a general consensus that Batman can beat Superman at any given time as a result of this fim.

btw, i was thinking... WB was not so keen to do MOS 2 as MOS got mixed reception just like SR... or poorer... WB got interested only after the proposal of bringing in Batman... that's why we didn't hear instant announcement of MOS2 after MOS release... but a few months after.

so be grateful and thankful to batman... or else superman might get another reboot. lol

 

[sf2]

he smiles!!! maybe after watching the UC... lol

 

[Herolee10]

btw, i was thinking... WB was not so keen to do MOS 2 as MOS got mixed reception just like SR... or poorer... WB got interested only after the proposal of bringing in Batman... that's why we didn't hear instant announcement of MOS2 after MOS release... but a few months after.

so be grateful and thankful to batman... or else superman might get another reboot. lol

Not from what I remember reading. They were planning on doing a solo sequel for MOS. It was supposedly only after Snyder threw in Batman as a potential idea that everyone else got latched to it.

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, I remember reading on how Snyder said that he had been offered to do a Batman solo instead but opted to do this film.

Watching the UE again, I think I can slowly get a peace of mind that since Superman went into the fight without a real desire to kill Batman or beat him to a pulp, that it was never going to be an accurate portrayal of what a real fight between them would be like. I think I remember reading someone saying that Superman's goal wasn't to beat Batman but to reach out to him, in that, he succeeded. Does anyone else agree?

 

[AnneFan]

Yeah, absolutely. Supes just wanted to talk, and then for Batman to stay down. To shut up and listen. I think flying Batman through the building was a statement to show how easy the fight could be finished. Supes had to get into that life and death fight mood, whereas Batman was in that mindset all along.

 

[sf2]

Not from what I remember reading. They were planning on doing a solo sequel for MOS. It was supposedly only after Snyder threw in Batman as a potential idea that everyone else got latched to it.

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, I remember reading on how Snyder said that he had been offered to do a Batman solo instead but opted to do this film.

Watching the UE again, I think I can slowly get a peace of mind that since Superman went into the fight without a real desire to kill Batman or beat him to a pulp, that it was never going to be an accurate portrayal of what a real fight between them would be like. I think I remember reading someone saying that Superman's goal wasn't to beat Batman but to reach out to him, in that, he succeeded. Does anyone else agree?

really??? never heard of any solo MOS sequel announcement / official discussion. never heard of Snyder was offered to do a batman solo / reboot.

so now how? still sucks to be superman? lol

 

[Logan0327]

i am so grateful for the ultimate edition they literally cut all of clark kent scenes lol

the UC gives him much needed development and i loved the phonecall with martha

 

[Jaxon]

really??? never heard of any solo MOS sequel announcement / official discussion. never heard of Snyder was offered to do a batman solo / reboot.

so now how? still sucks to be superman? lol

Snyder has said that WB told him they were very happy with MoS, the total sales including Blu-ray etc were phenomenal, so they knew that people were starting to get on board. WB gave him the green light to do a follow up his way. While story boarding they had the idea to finish a Superman and Lex based movie with kryptonite being delivered to Wayne Manor. That spawned BvS and WB green lit it. Yu