BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 26

[Doctor Octopus]

That fan art?

 

[sf2]

the arm is just too crazy!!!
is it because of the camera angle / lens???
so much of padding? it doesn't look fake though.

 

[matt47]

They went over board with the muscle suit/padding imo.

 

[sf2]

They went over board with the muscle suit/padding imo.

in action, it looks okay and cool as he still moves gracefully and not awkward.

on still image, it looks overwhelming.

 

[matt47]

For me, he looked too big and stiff in the senate hearing.

 

[Herolee10]

So did anyone else find it easier to watch BvS with the additional stuff that they included in the UC, namely the Clark Kent/Superman related stuff? I'm at least grateful that Snyder was allowed to release this cut as well, thus not allowing the additional Clark footage to be never scene or simply end up in the deleted sections feature.

Though, I'm still at odds on how they had Clark lose to Batman. Speaking of which, I had actually been meaning to ask others about what they thought about that.

Did you guys feel that Superman could have won had he gone all out? Or did Batman really get the better of him in their fight?

 

[King23DC]

Why would anyone want Superman to win the one on one with Batman? He's not that kind of guy. He didn't go into it intending to win. Batman while yes the superior tactician and fighter ... was going all out just to put him down.

 

[AnneFan]

Though, I'm still at odds on how they had Clark lose to Batman. Speaking of which, I had actually been meaning to ask others about what they thought about that.

Did you guys feel that Superman could have won had he gone all out? Or did Batman really get the better of him in their fight?

More so in the UC, you feel uneasy about Batman prepping his gear and going out to destroy Superman. Because it's a lot more apparent how Lex has been pulling the strings, demonizing Superman. Batman beats Superman up, but you do feel he's the loser, given overall, he was wrong in thinking Superman was an enemy to take down. It's also clear that Supes would destroy Batman in a straight up fight, without kryptonite involved.

 

[sf2]

So did anyone else find it easier to watch BvS with the additional stuff that they included in the UC, namely the Clark Kent/Superman related stuff? I'm at least grateful that Snyder was allowed to release this cut as well, thus not allowing the additional Clark footage to be never scene or simply end up in the deleted sections feature.

Though, I'm still at odds on how they had Clark lose to Batman. Speaking of which, I had actually been meaning to ask others about what they thought about that.

Did you guys feel that Superman could have won had he gone all out? Or did Batman really get the better of him in their fight?

hi Herolee, how are you now? still on the fence?
well, before BvS release, i was like you, skeptical, worrying superman would lose to batman badly... worrying he would got killed in the end... worrying all the spotlight would be on batman...
the result... all my worries sorta came true. but i still love the movie ironically. lol I must be silly.

anyway, back to your question. as i said before (like a year ago) in the movie history of man vs god / alien, man always win. therefore, once i knew there was a battle between batman and superman, i knew it already superman would lose. it is just how badly he lose... or what was the impact and consequence of the losing. i was satisfied with the way it handled in the movie.

 

[AnneFan]

anyway, back to your question. as i said before (like a year ago) in the movie history of man vs god / alien, man always win.

And it's interesting that the alien had more humanity than the human.

 

[Herolee10]

Why would anyone want Superman to win the one on one with Batman? He's not that kind of guy. He didn't go into it intending to win. Batman while yes the superior tactician and fighter ... was going all out just to put him down.

More so in the UC, you feel uneasy about Batman prepping his gear and going out to destroy Superman. Because it's a lot more apparent how Lex has been pulling the strings, demonizing Superman. Batman beats Superman up, but you do feel he's the loser, given overall, he was wrong in thinking Superman was an enemy to take down. It's also clear that Supes would destroy Batman in a straight up fight, without kryptonite involved.

Well, it was interesting to see (upon my first viewing of the film, period) on how far they took Batman's character where he felt like he was more of a villain (tragic hero) than an misguided one in that fight.

As a superman fan, it's a bit divisive for me when it comes to how I feel about it.

As you guys mentioned above, Superman didn't go into that fight with the intention to kill Batman. It's just how much of a beating Superman takes from Batman and how the fight ends with Batman's feet on his throat, getting ready for the final strike that's really hard to accept.

I mean, did it make it look like Superman was inferior to Batman in your guys's opinion? Maybe if I can see the scene in a different/better light, it may make viewing that scene a bit easier.

 

[Micromind]

Superman winning the fight against Batman makes him look bad, Superman wins but loses moral high ground, which, to me is what Superman represents.

Winning by just using brute strength makes him look no different than Hulk.

 

[elgaz]

Superman had to lose the fight for the scene to work.

The Batman we encountered in BvS was an older, more jaded one. It was made clear to us on numerous occasions (both by Alfred, and also by news reports and the cops finding the guy he'd branded) that he'd become much more brutal in his methods than he had been previously. This was a Batman slowly losing the extreme discipline & control he'd always exercised, something which was probably a direct consequence of the Black Zero event and him realising that there were other beings out there who could toss him aside like a ragdoll. In short, it stemmed from his frustration at feeling inconsequential and perhaps insignificant; spending 20 years taking down criminals (who would only be replaced by others, growing again like 'weeds'), when there were world-threatening events going on in the background. Questioning if anything he had done had actually made any difference in the grand scheme of things - "This may be the only thing I do that matters".

And in his fight against Superman, the brutality was clear. Smashing him against walls, breaking things over his head, obliterating stone pillars by swinging Superman through them, slicing his face with the Kryptonite spear; and so on.

And the fight ended with the threat of the ultimate act of brutality; Batman's armoured foot on Superman's throat, slowly choking him whilst he prepared to impale him with a Kryptonite spear and end his life.

Of course, this act never happened - Superman spat out the word Martha, and Batman saw the light. I know there's been a lot of online criticism over how he did a complete U-turn based on one word, but I actually thought the scene worked. It was nothing to do with the fact their mothers shared a first name. It was everything to do with the fact that hearing the word 'Martha' forced Bruce to recall his mother's death, the event which ultimately led to him becoming Batman in the first place - a vigilante yes, but one who would oppose crime, oppression, brutality and fight for justice. And it forced him to look at what he had become - someone who was about to deliver an injustice by brutally slaying another hero for the sole reason of averting the risk of them ever turning against humanity in future.

Batman had become that which he hated. And in a moment, he realised that, came to his senses, and threw the spear aside.

So for me, the fight itself was perhaps a little one-sided - I feel Superman would not necessarily be inferior, and his superior senses would have alerted him to many of Batman's actions during the fight and avoid his exposure to Kryptonite in the first place.

However, it was a neccessary evil - Batman had to go the distance and be at that point where he is about to strike the killing blow, only to stagger back from the precipice for him to understand how wrong he was. And to achieve that meant Superman had to be subdued and at Batman's mercy. One could argue that this Superman had never really encountered Kryptonite before (or knew it existed) so was taken totally by surprise.

 

[Lantern Venom]

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"You'll have to speak up if you want to be heard. This suit amplifies my awesomeness until it's difficult to see, hear, or feel anything else."

 

[Herolee10]

Well I can definitely understand/see where you guys are coming from. I guess it's just the jaded Superman fan in me who just hates the idea that Superman, the DCEU version, can be so easily defeated by Batman. I mean, I felt like the fight suggested that Batman could beat Superman at any time if given the right amount of time to prepare.

 

[AnneFan]

I mean, did it make it look like Superman was inferior to Batman in your guys's opinion? Maybe if I can see the scene in a different/better light, it may make viewing that scene a bit easier.

I like Superman as a character. Putting Batman aside for a moment, I honestly think the film was worthy of what would happen. Fully powered, Superman pushes Batman away with ease. But when he's weakened, he's weakened. It's not a fact of he's completely useless as a fighter, but he simply can't function coherently. I love the moment Supes briefly manages to recover and block Batman's boot, throwing him through the wall. That was inspirational through the onslaught he received. It's not really that Superman is inferior, it's more that Batman tailored the fight to his own strengths. In the UC, it feels even more to me that Batman is the villain and Superman is the hero.

 

[matt47]

I like Superman as a character. Putting Batman aside for a moment, I honestly think the film was worthy of what would happen. Fully powered, Superman pushes Batman away with ease. But when he's weakened, he's weakened. It's not a fact of he's completely useless as a fighter, but he simply can't function coherently. I love the moment Supes briefly manages to recover and block Batman's boot, throwing him through the wall. That was inspirational through the onslaught he received. It's not really that Superman is inferior, it's more that Batman tailored the fight to his own strengths. In the UC, it feels even more to me that Batman is the villain and Superman is the hero.

Even if Supes was the better fighter it wouldn't have mattered. We see him punch Batman and hurt his hand on the armor, so unless he squared him in the mouth he couldn't hurt him.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Well I can definitely understand/see where you guys are coming from. I guess it's just the jaded Superman fan in me who just hates the idea that Superman, the DCEU version, can be so easily defeated by Batman. I mean, I felt like the fight suggested that Batman could beat Superman at any time if given the right amount of time to prepare.

If any human could, it would be Bruce Wayne. He would have the right combination of attitude, funding for any weapon, computers for analysis, and knowledge of Superman's physiology.

That being said, it was obvious that Supes was barely fighting in BvS. Bats was out for blood and giving the fight everything he had from all angles. Supes was trying to talk sense into Bruce and only getting physical to create space so he could keep his dialogue moving.

 

[AnneFan]

Even if Supes was the better fighter it wouldn't have mattered. We see him punch Batman and hurt his hand on the armor, so unless he squared him in the mouth he couldn't hurt him.

Another good point. 90% of the time, Superman wins. The 10% is the rigged arena scenario.

 

[Jaxon]

Well I can definitely understand/see where you guys are coming from. I guess it's just the jaded Superman fan in me who just hates the idea that Superman, the DCEU version, can be so easily defeated by Batman. I mean, I felt like the fight suggested that Batman could beat Superman at any time if given the right amount of time to prepare.

It took a lot of circumstances in order for Batman to win primarily being that Superman didn't know of the existence of kryptonite. Batman couldn't be certain that gaseous form would work particularly as it was shown that it needs to be energised in order to be effective in cutting Zod, and hence the spear form.

The other point for Batman is that in winning he proves himself capable of being on a team with meta humans.

 

[Limonade]

Well I can definitely understand/see where you guys are coming from. I guess it's just the jaded Superman fan in me who just hates the idea that Superman, the DCEU version, can be so easily defeated by Batman. I mean, I felt like the fight suggested that Batman could beat Superman at any time if given the right amount of time to prepare.

Herolee10. You're a Superman fan through and through. I can understand, I can relate, I sympathize.

Because there are fans on both sides. Which is a reason why most superhero fights end in a draw.

How you end a fight is just as important as how you start one.

Honestly, there were too many threads in this movie to tell a basic story of a misunderstanding between two superheroes.

I don't have high hopes for JLA. I just hope it's better than BvS and MoS.

 

[idiot09]

I like Batman more than Superman.Although I am a huge Supes fanboy,I just like Batman a bit more.So I went into the movie wanting Batman to win.

But after everything that happened in the movie,when the fight started I was like "BRUCE STOP."Throughout the fight I rooted for Supes,empathized with him and wanted Bruce to just stop.He was antagonized and I couldnt blame him.It was so conflicting.I thought it was extremely well done,showing that when two heroes fight,its not a joyous affair,its because they are fighting their own inner demons and project their issues into another,and what comes off it is extremely tragic.

Eventhough Bruce won the physical confrontation,Superman won the real fight.He managed to bring back Bruce from the mania that had gripped him.I came out of the movie,a bigger Superman fan.

 

[sf2]

Well I can definitely understand/see where you guys are coming from. I guess it's just the jaded Superman fan in me who just hates the idea that Superman, the DCEU version, can be so easily defeated by Batman. I mean, I felt like the fight suggested that Batman could beat Superman at any time if given the right amount of time to prepare.

with the inclusion of kryptonite, superman is destined to lose.

cough... cough superman lost to an old man... STM

cough... cough superman lost to a big computer... SIII

cough... cough superman lost and beaten badly by an old man and his ordinary thugs... SR

at least in BvS, we still see him fight under the effect of kryptonite. and he lost to a skilled veteran fighter.

 

[Sleiek]

Oh c'mon. Batman has another name. Batgod. No one can beat Batgod. You shouldn't be upset because Superman lost to Batman. Doesn't mean Superman is weak.

 

[sf2]

just awesome.