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BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - Part 3

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I find the claim that this person could look anywhere near as aesthetically pleasing as Mr. Cavill "supplements" or not to be laughable. Genetics played a large part in Henry being so perfect visually for Superman.
 
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Because it's impossible to acquire a physique like that?

I forgot, that's how he was born, right?! Silly me.
 
:whatever: Welp, I've wasted entirely too much time getting sidetracked from the nice thing we usually have going on in this thread. Back to it.

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Cavill had to work a lot harder than many of the superstars getting in shape imo. Pics of him in his regular shape show a pretty regular looking physique.
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I have no idea what this gravitas is, I just know Brandon didn't have it and I don't just blame it on Brian or the script. I think Dean Cain had a little bit of it but not a lot; he wasn't as bad as Brandon in the suit.

When I talk about gravitas, I mean that the actor completely owned the role and was someone that the audience was drawn to. Acting skill is an important part of it, but there's also something more intangible -- a certain charisma and sense of authority that causes the audience to take the character seriously.

Cavill I felt had that in spades. Even without a lot of dialogue, he sold the character through sheer physicality and did a lot of great non-vocal acting. When he did speak, I thought he completely embodied Superman, as if his interpretation of the character emerged from our collective consciousness. There are a few scenes that illustrate that particularly well -- presenting himself before the military ("don't play games with me, general"), the interrogation scene, the part near the climax where they discuss how to use the phantom drive to create a black hole (the dialogue was pure technobabble, but the way Cavill sold it was pure Superman) and his scene at the end with the drone.

Routh, by comparison, didn't have that. Part of that is because Singer asked him to do a Chris Reeve impression, part of it is because I simply don't think he's as strong an actor as Cavill. But whenever I watch SR, it's hard to view Routh as "Superman" in the sense that I've always thought of the character. As someone already mentioned, he seemed to fade into the background even when he was in full costume. He just didn't grab the audience's attention.

When I think of Routh's Superman, the term "Ken doll" comes to mind. Make of that what you will.
 
:whatever: Because everyone has the exact same frame. Oh, wait...

Yes, Cavill looked great, but let's not diminish all the other actors who have built great physiques for their roles.

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If Routh had an origin film instead of a Superman returning story line, when we haven't seen him in a movie since the early 80's... It would be sequel talk right now. He was perfectly fine as Superman/Clark, yet could have done more with less of a Donner continuation film. With that said, still glad we have Cavill. I always had him ranked high as a fan pick.
 
I don't think it's impossible for most guys to achieve a frame like Henry had in MOS. You eat a lot, you lift a lot, you sleep a lot. It's just that 90% of us don't have the luxury to have a world-class trainer looking out for us every step of the way. :oldrazz: Regular guys who get a Henry-Cavillesque body doing regular jobs require CRAZY amounts of commitment and self-discipline.

It's not an extreme like getting down to a clinically anorexic BMI or going up to a world-class bodybuilder level, similar to what Christian Bale put himself through for The Machinist and then Batman Begins in such a short time (although BB was not bodybuilder level, but it certainly was huge compared to what he was less than a year before!). Most people probably would not have achieved that without some major health issues.

Henry's MOS body was a very good level, but not an extreme. I think a good number of guys would be capable of achieving that, given the luxuries he had.

Although if you're looking at exact matching of measurements, then yeah, that has to do with how you're built. :oldrazz:
 
I don't think it's impossible for most guys to achieve a frame like Henry had in MOS. You eat a lot, you lift a lot, you sleep a lot. It's just that 90% of us don't have the luxury to have a world-class trainer looking out for us every step of the way. :oldrazz: Regular guys who get a Henry-Cavillesque body doing regular jobs require CRAZY amounts of commitment and self-discipline.

It's not an extreme like getting down to a clinically anorexic BMI or going up to a world-class bodybuilder level, similar to what Christian Bale put himself through for The Machinist and then Batman Begins in such a short time (although BB was not bodybuilder level, but it certainly was huge compared to what he was less than a year before!). Most people probably would not have achieved that without some major health issues.

Henry's MOS body was a very good level, but not an extreme. I think a good number of guys would be capable of achieving that, given the luxuries he had.

Although if you're looking at exact matching of measurements, then yeah, that has to do with how you're built. :oldrazz:

I agree with this, but the smiley kinda creeped me out :eek: :p
 
If Routh had an origin film instead of a Superman returning story line, when we haven't seen him in a movie since the early 80's... It would be sequel talk right now. He was perfectly fine as Superman/Clark, yet could have done more with less of a Donner continuation film. With that said, still glad we have Cavill. I always had him ranked high as a fan pick.
You're entirely too generous to Mr. Routh. I'm not all that certain he would have gotten a sequel. For 85% of his appearance in the movie he had this odd, blank-eyed listless stare, occasionally broken up with some kind of smile. The Kryptonite landmass had more character and personality than his Superman. I'm sure he's a great guy, but I'm not sure acting was the best career choice for him. What has the guy been in lately?
 
Honestly while forgettable to some general fans, most people I have talked to in real life and online found him to be decent but had more qualms with the plot than anything.
 
It's just that 90% of us don't have the luxury to have a world-class trainer looking out for us every step of the way. :oldrazz: Regular guys who get a Henry-Cavillesque body doing regular jobs require CRAZY amounts of commitment and self-discipline.

I don't think thats a valid excuse for "normal" people, just as it shouldn't take anything away from the actors who put in the work.

This quote from Charlie Hunnam is relevant.

"You know what? Being an actor is fantastic because you get to live your dreams and all of that, but I always think it's slightly irritating when you hear from the outside world and people are like, "Yeah, well if I was an actor and all I had to do was look good, I could be that ripped too." Well I've got news for you, man! I work 15 hours a day and still go to the gym. Most people work eight hours a day and say "I haven't got time to work out." Bulls***! If you want to be super-fit and look ripped then you find the time no matter what."

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entert...-hunnam-interview-pacific-rim-sons-of-anarchy
 
I don't think thats a valid excuse for "normal" people, just as it shouldn't take anything away from the actors who put in the work.

This quote from Charlie Hunnam is relevant.

"You know what? Being an actor is fantastic because you get to live your dreams and all of that, but I always think it's slightly irritating when you hear from the outside world and people are like, "Yeah, well if I was an actor and all I had to do was look good, I could be that ripped too." Well I've got news for you, man! I work 15 hours a day and still go to the gym. Most people work eight hours a day and say "I haven't got time to work out." Bulls***! If you want to be super-fit and look ripped then you find the time no matter what."

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entert...-hunnam-interview-pacific-rim-sons-of-anarchy
It's quite a different thing when you're expected to have six-pack abs, though. It's a different sort of pressure, and part of the job. When it's not part of the job, you need more self-discipline to do it.

And no, it's certainly not easy, but it's easier when you have someone making you a day-by-day regimen.
 
I also don't think Brandon could have done better if e easy copying Reeve. I've seen him in other films and he is just as bland and has the same monotone voice.
As for male physique's good gracious the 300 guy had the best transformation; the abs look drawn on.
 
From the neck up, you'd be right.
Genetics apply from the neck down to. Genetics decide how easy it is for you to put on muscle, the breadth of your shoulders, whether you have a six pack or eight pack, the shape of your pecs etc. You can train your muscles but genetics play an important role.

Its the reason that a lot of people train, but not everyone's physique looks jaw-dropping. So genetics are important below the neck too.
 
Cavill had to work a lot harder than many of the superstars getting in shape imo. Pics of him in his regular shape show a pretty regular looking physique.
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Well there's muscle memory. If you have done it once, you can do it quickly again. I have experienced muscle memory in real life too.
 
Yes, Cavill looked great, but let's not diminish all the other actors who have built great physiques for their roles.

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These 2 along with Cavill are my picks for the 3 greatest physiques ever in films (modern times). Look at that picture of Butler, he looks like a sculpture. I think Jackman has had to really fight his genetics and it has literally taken him the better part of two decades to arrive where he has now, which is his best shape in The Wolverine and Days Of Future Past at the ripe old age of 44.

Hemsworth I feel just got big, and did not put much thought into aesthetics or shaping. He kinda looks blocky. So Cavill I think has a much better physique than Hemsworth.
 
I don't think thats a valid excuse for "normal" people, just as it shouldn't take anything away from the actors who put in the work.

This quote from Charlie Hunnam is relevant.

"You know what? Being an actor is fantastic because you get to live your dreams and all of that, but I always think it's slightly irritating when you hear from the outside world and people are like, "Yeah, well if I was an actor and all I had to do was look good, I could be that ripped too." Well I've got news for you, man! I work 15 hours a day and still go to the gym. Most people work eight hours a day and say "I haven't got time to work out." Bulls***! If you want to be super-fit and look ripped then you find the time no matter what."

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entert...-hunnam-interview-pacific-rim-sons-of-anarchy
It is still very different. Different for different actors. Cavill had a solid 6 month stretch for MOS where he was doing nothing else. Only training for MOS. Who as a working man has that luxury?

Ditto with Jackman, he had months where he was just working on his body for Wolverine and doing nothing else.

And I daresay us lesser mortal men have much more hectic and irregular lives.

The lives of stars are properly controlled. Their sleep is monitored, a world class trainer even observes their stretching let alone every single rep, their meals are delivered by a dietician on time and they just have to eat it. They have the choice of supplements and all that jazz. And there's the motivation - that there's gonna be a close-up of your abs on a 70 feet IMAX screen. And you get paid millions to do it and infact your contract states that you have to get a certain body.

Normal men can do it, but not to the level of Cavill with the highly contoured and carefully sculpted look. Like you can have very good gym built physiques, I bet a lot of us do, just not this something extra - this amazing aesthetics that make Cavill's physique impressive even to people who themselves have good physiques.
 
Genetics apply from the neck down to. Genetics decide how easy it is for you to put on muscle, the breadth of your shoulders, whether you have a six pack or eight pack, the shape of your pecs etc. You can train your muscles but genetics play an important role.

Its the reason that a lot of people train, but not everyone's physique looks jaw-dropping. So genetics are important below the neck too.
I still believe it's easier for a guy to achieve an "ideal" body than a woman. All we're looking for is if a guy has some muscle and has low body fat so his muscles show. It is undoubtedly easier for some guys to build muscle or cut to show their abs than others, but given enough time and effort, it's possible for a great majority of guys to look good. Guys don't have to achieve a specific measurement, it's just a general look and it depends on your frame. Byung Hun Lee in the GI Joe movies looks fantastic shirtless, but he would look really stupid if he was as big as Henry got. It doesn't fit his frame.

Whereas due to our expectations of what an ideal woman should look like, you could be nearly underweight like I am but have legs that are too fat or a waist that is too big, which cannot be fixed except with surgery. For my waist it would involve removing a few ribs. So yeah, I ain't crying a river over y'alls moaning about how hard Henry's physique is achieve. :oldrazz:
 
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