BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - Part 4

[charl_huntress]

This scene stuck out to me right away. Sure you have all the action, the father to son story, the Martha Kent scenes and military moments, but in this ONE little facial expression said so much and I instantly remembered how a gentle look speaks volumes for a character like Superman and Cavill really popped out on screen right there. Some casuals may have not even noticed, but as a Supes fan, I instantly smirked

Agreed!

Whoa-whoa...he was good....he did a solid job and the was nothing lacking. But it's not like some tour de force or oscar-caliber all-time performance. Or...do you mean that some found him wooden and bland? If that, then maybe the movie itself felt a little distant to them.

I think it's that some parts of the movie overshadow those small moments. Cavill did a great job embodying the role and it's little moments like these where it really shines.

 

[MrsKent26]

I don't think it was that subtle...pretty much 'mid level' and appropriately so. It was definitely non-wooden.

Ok.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yeah I totally didn't read Kent's post that way. Where did that "Oscar worthy" crack even come from?

 

[MrsKent26]

Yeah I totally didn't read Kent's post that way. Where did that "Oscar worthy" crack even come from?

I have no idea, lol. Apparently "subtle" and "nuanced" are too high a compliment to anyone who isn't named Day Lewis.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Alright. Well I liked his performance a lot, for a Superhero movie of course. Just thought he totally captured the character. Can't wait to see him as Daily Planet Clark Kent.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Cavill as DP Clark has so much potential to be awesome!

 

[Krumm]

Yeah but that's not what I would call 'subtle', layered or whatever. It's plenty noticeable as long as you're not talking or .....cooking, etc.. while the movie's on or the like. If someone 'misses' that, then they're just probably watching the whole movie just go by until there's big action. Things like this are good, and he's definitely competent with them. But they're kinda' what you'd expect from an actor if they're at least good at their job. But I work with a lot of actors, so maybe it just doesn't 'stand out' to me as much. I just can't imagine someone missing that look he gives in that gif unless they weren't actually looking at the screen.

Altogether, I thought he was the best part of he movie with all its other little niggles.


That's why I asked if it was something else. Did you read that part too?

It's not about giving the look,it's the quality of it.

 

[MrsKent26]

Or maybe the poster asks if it was something else for the sake of clarifying.....in the same actual post. Just a thought....

I don't know what else it could be. No clue why someone would jump on the word nuanced and bring this oscar stuff into it. Not even sure what you mean by that. But it seems we rarely understand each other anyways. I'll watch my wording I guess.

 

[hafizbat]

I think the character of Superman is a hard one to show off spectacular acting skills anyway. Just as a character himself, Supes (and pretty much any superhero) is pretty straightforward.

Now, a role like the Joker or Lex Luthor is a different story. I think Cavill did the best anyone could do with the character. Even say if someone like DDL was playing Superman...what could he possibly bring to the character that Cavill didn't?

Superman doesn't drink people's milkshakes.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Cavill as DP Clark has so much potential to be awesome!

Yep.

 

[MrsKent26]

I wonder how Cavill will do with showing there's a different between his Clark and his Superman.

 

[charl_huntress]

Yeah but that's not what I would call 'subtle', layered or whatever. It's plenty noticeable as long as you're not talking or .....cooking, etc.. while the movie's on or the like. If someone 'misses' that, then they're just probably watching the whole movie just go by until there's big action. Things like this are good, and he's definitely competent with them. But they're kinda' what you'd expect from an actor if they're at least good at their job. But I work with a lot of actors, so maybe it just doesn't 'stand out' to me as much. I just can't imagine someone missing that look he gives in that gif unless they weren't actually looking at the screen.

Altogether, I thought he was the best part of he movie with all its other little niggles.

I think it's just terminology used to describe aspects where his performance was understated. Also this doesn't just apply to Cavill. Adams had a lot of that as well. Those portions of his performance may have gone unnoticed if you weren't looking for deeper moments in a superhero movie. Most people just watching the movie won't notice things like that because it's just a look. Those with more knowledge of the character will see moments like that as reflecting something more.

Tra-El's posts hit that on the head.

his scene stuck out to me right away. Sure you have all the action, the father to son story, the Martha Kent scenes and military moments, but in this ONE little facial expression said so much and I instantly remembered how a gentle look speaks volumes for a character like Superman and Cavill really popped out on screen right there. Some casuals may have not even noticed, but as a Supes fan, I instantly smirked

Alright. Well I liked his performance a lot, for a Superhero movie of course. Just thought he totally captured the character. Can't wait to see him as Daily Planet Clark Kent.

Agreed. He captured the character, which I think he should be given credit for.

 

[MrsKent26]

Maybe that person was only asking, not jumping, and worded it as an example. And even said he/she did twice afterwards.

Ok, no worries.

 

[MrsKent26]

I think it's just terminology used to describe aspects where his performance was understated. Also this doesn't just apply to Cavill. Adams had a lot of that as well. Those portions of his performance may have gone unnoticed if you weren't looking for deeper moments in a superhero movie. Most people just watching the movie won't notice things like that because it's just a look. Those with more knowledge of the character will see moments like that as reflecting something more.


Agreed. He captured the character, which I think he should be given credit for.

I agree with both points.

 

[Herolee10]

 

[MrsKent26]

All great moments, especially the last two. Love how he was nervous and brave at the same time going into that Smallville fight.

And....*sigh*

Just look at those lovely natural colors...really want to see those more.

 

[John-An]

great moments. Love the final scene and the Smallville fight.

 

[Krumm]

Yeah, and to me it was what you'd expect of a professional actor and kinda' hard to miss unless you specifically weren't paying attention or were distracted. But again, it's nice that he's the kind of actor who can do that naturally. there are a lot who don't as well.

I know what you're saying but it comes off as pretty generic. Any professional actor can obviously act but not any professional actor can act like Superman. That's what Cavill was cast as opposed to the millions of other actors out there. He has the quality to give that quality of a look. I think I speak for other when I say that's what we're saying.

Is it award winning? No. But it is as sure as **** Superman.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well it's certainly interesting to read your exact point of view of Cavill's performance Kal. And I mean that.

 

[John-An]

 

[Krumm]

Trust me....generic isn't easy. Generic requires professionals doing their work professionally, work that not many people in the world can do, and not screwing things up which can easily be screwed up. When things don't meet a generic level, it's often more noticeable when things are going generically well.



I never said he wasn't good, or a dime-a-dozen, etc. In fact, I believe there's a post there where I went into why I think he was so uniquely (i.e. not just generically) well suited for the part. I can highlight it if you'd like.

I wasn't using "generic" as a qualifier of Cavill's performance, I meant that your comment was painting a broad picture and seems to negate Cavill's Superman quality.

And I never said you thought he was bad. I know you don't so you don't need to highlight anything. Regardless, I'm mostly just reading your responses to me (beyond your initial comments) so at this point I think we're just miscommunicating.

 

[Krumm]

And again, I believe I went into at least some detail as to why that isn't so. Would you like to read it?


I didn't sy a you did, it was an example.


I got exactly what you're saying, and I'm saying that you should read what else I wrote....or at least, you're welcome to.

I understand what you're saying, as I said before. And as I said before I think we're just miscommunicating. I was trying to be nice about. Sorry, if it didn't come off that way.

 

[MrsKent26]

More great gifs. I loved when Lois held his hand while everyone else had guns pointed at him and were giving him up to Zod.

And that second one is badass. Both the suit and the supes.

 

[charl_huntress]

Put it this way...they'll notice if it's missing. Just like if the lighting isn't good, or sound is off...there's a certain 'standard' that we're all expecting whether we know it or not, and when it's not there it doesn't always stand out by itself, but it makes everything feel a little off. Again, since I work intensely in film for a living, I may 'notice' this stuff more....but a lot of stuff that is actually good goes 'unnoticed' because it's what's expected. A lot of it goes 'invisible' if it's actually up to par. So that's why little 'looks' and moments like these...although I appreciate them and commend his ability to do so...I see differently as a 'standard' that while not missed, may not be 'appreciated' as specifically as something that's more extroverted or quirky or what not. If that's what some see as 'subtle', I agree, I just don't quite describe it that way.

If that makes any sense. What some may see as 'subtle' I may see as 'under-appreciated', but not really surprisingly so, and not completely 'unnoticed', per se. It happens a lot in all films...especially ones that are actually good.

I see what you're saying, but I don't think of those moments as standard because though "any" actor could have done them. I don't think "any" actor could make me believe he's Superman while doing them, which is what Cavill did. It's not like he gave an Oscar-worthy performance, but I do think embodying Superman is something not any generic actor could do. It takes a lot to do it convincingly on all levels.

I think Cavill did a wonderful job in MOS and should be lauded for his performance and those little moments when he really sold it.

Krumm says it best.

I know what you're saying but it comes off as pretty generic. Any professional actor can obviously act but not any professional actor can act like Superman. That's what Cavill was cast as opposed to the millions of other actors out there. He has the quality to give that quality of a look. I think I speak for other when I say that's what we're saying.

Is it award winning? No. But it is as sure as **** Superman.

 

[Herolee10]

I really hope that they allow Henry's Clark to do something, in regards to his profession as a Reporter, in this film.

I think the only time that we ever saw Clark doing something active as a reporter was in "Superman 3". I don't really count his trip with Lois to Niagara falls (posing as a newlywed couple with Lois) as a reporter thing since he was undercover at the time.

I want to see him at least like attending a press conference as a reporter or writing an article, even if it's just an action that he does in a scene before the main plot point comes.

Goyer and Snyder said in a interview for MOS on how they felt that most of the previous films didn't really capitalize on the fact that superman was an "alien", well I also feel like the previous films didn't really capitalize on the fact that he was a reporter as well.