Here We Go Again Part 3: New Welling As Superman Rumors?

[Bruce_Wayne29]

The thing is with Tom being the guy who gets cast in the new film is that the start up time would be less. He's established already in the fandom, albeit only as the 'guy on tv', but he has a built-in fanbase.

Routh has his fans and I understand those people not understanding why he's not being given a chance, but love it or hate SR the truth was that it wasn't anywhere as successful as the studio needed it to be. Unfortunately, Routh is tied to that franchise in everyone's mind so he can't come back unless they bring the kid and a ridiculous Lex Luthor back.

He's a no-go. Sad for him, I think he seems like a nice guy and I've liked other roles he'd been in, but any baggage from the movie is going to be brought back up if he's in the next one.

As for Tom, the SV haters may think there is baggage from the show, but why? Next to no one really watches it, in the grand scheme. Getting 3 million viewers a week is about the best it can do.

How many people saw SR in the theatres? Probably several times that many.

How many people saw SE on cable or rented it even if they didn't see it in the theatre? Probably many more times than the number who had seen it in the theatre.

So, a conservative estimate would be probably tens of millions of people, maybe, had seen SR.

So who's the worse when it comes to baggage?

Brandon Routh who had tens of millions who had seen SR?

Or Tom Welling who is in Smallville which only has a core audience of about 3 million people?

The thing worth noting, however is that Tom's following may be small but it's fanatical, as you are all probably aware.

Those are the people that will see the film no matter what and if the film is good will likely see it again and again in the theatre and buy the DVD or Blu-Ray and other related merchandise.

That is what gives a film 'legs' and keeps it in the theatres longer. It's how Titanic and Avatar made so much money, people saw it over and over and over.

Hollywood is a business more than anything else, so if it makes business sense for them to sign Tom Welling as Superman they will do it. Then they will try to justify it later to the public to placate any haters that come out and rant about him being cast.

I honestly think Tom Welling being cast will put more butts in the seats.

Hell, he's probably the only reason the dreck that was The Fog made back its production in only a couple of weeks. It certainly wasn't the story or the other cast.

If it makes sense for the studio financially, it won't matter what some vocal fans on the internet think, they will cast Tom Welling.

However, I'm not going to hold my breath. Like Tom said last summer at ComicCon, it isn't as simple as him wanting to do it or not. There will have to be a lot of things that will need to align for Tom to get the part and, although I want him to be in the film, I know that the chances are the best at this point.

There are just too many variables that we as fans are probably not even aware of in addition to the ones that we are, so his chance may not be great, but I think he's probably got a better chance than an unknown in terms of already having a fanbase.

I hope he gets it and I'll be disappointed if he doesn't, but I'm not going to let it break my heart like it did back when SR went to Brandon.

Though I disagree that SV's fan base is just those 3 million viewers in the US (it has a big following worldwide and there are also those that download it legally or illegally and don't count as viewers and above all those that simply follow it by buying the dvd sets) I do agree with all the rest you said.
Money wise, Tom is the best option they got.
I do believe that Warner Bros. won't be the problem this time, the question lies with how big a deal Snyder may make regarding Tom being cast or possibly lobbied by Warners to be Superman.
Though Snyder is a great filmmaker and has make really good films (especially Watchmen) but he hasn't really had a huge blockbuster (aside from 300) that justifies the kind of pull to go against Warner if they do decide that Tom should be cast.
The biggest opposition to that move (and who does have pull) is Nolan who Warner thinks is the almighty God of movies (at least until the Dark Knight Rises premieres and they realize that without Ledger's death as a promotion vehicle and the 3-D conversion to help garner a few more bucks they won't do another billion dollars in revenue).
Nolan could be against the move by himself or Snyder could ask for his help in taking a stand for an "unknown" move if he himself decides against the casting of Tom.
We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Webhead2006]

The bat movie isn't going to be 3d as for how well it does. So hard to say since filming hasn't started and casting isn't complete I am sure it will be a good enough hit for nolan. But back to superman, yea its likely nolan and wb have more say in casting. I do hope and I am sure with nolan and snyder picking this film we will get an overall good cast.

 

[Billy Batson]

You got to the core of the thing right there. Imagine how much crow these ppl would have to eat if Tom got cast and the film succeeds in getting the Spider-Man like box office numbers that Warner Bros. hoped to do with SR.

Man! I’ll go ape-sh_t on those Routh fools and feed them crow for YEARS.
Honestly the Welling dream died along time ago for me.
I’m pulling for Snyder to cast someone else; I need to see that film fail as well.
Then everyone will say “people can’t relate to Superman any more, in this day and time.” lol.
As a Superman fan, I should never pull for any film to fail, but I’m still pissed over the Superman Returns movie.

The WB should have waited for Smallville to end before even considering a new Superman franchise.
Warner Brothers could have brought Captain Marvel to the market and tap into the Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and Superman market with a Shazam film.

Blly I know that I am just saying if u pick welling u have pros and cons just like if routh was picked again. But in the end its not likely welling will be picked and it will be a new cast. I just don't see snyder going with an actor who has been assoicated as clark as clark again.

Webs there are NO pros with Routh, only cons, his team lost money for the WB.
Now it’s time for a new direction and a new face, Welling IS THAT FACE.
Casting Welling has zero cons IMHO, nothing but pros, girls and women love that dude.

MAN! I am so tired of hearing about BOOTLEG (Brandon Routh)Christopher Reeve.
Dude was fake all around.
Fake muscles
Fake Blue eyes
Fake male role model.
FAKE SUPERMAN.
Fake Christopher Reeve.

Money wise, Tom is the best option they got.

INDEED HE IS.

 

[Johnny]

All due respect to Tom, but he should not be cast in the new movie. If he is, a lot of people would start to think that the film is connected to Smallville and on top of that, if he's there so should be Michael, Erica and the other people associated with the show. Since they say reboot, then let it be a reboot - which means no Tom, no Brandon Routh, different cast, different crew, different soundtrack(yes I said it, I'm sick and tired of the John Williams theme which I never liked anyway), different everything. Would Tom do well if he is cast in the role - absolutely. But a reboot means a reboot. So make it happen, WB!

 

[darkzombiemutt]

I respectfully disagree Mr. Johnny

 

[Johnny]

Fair enough.

 

[Webhead2006]

billy i know i dont want routh either i was just saying to routh fans there is pros for him along his major cons, and all.

 

[darkzombiemutt]

I just want to find out who's cast soon so i can stop constantly looking for news.

 

[C. Lee]

Man! I’ll go ape-sh_t on those Routh fools and feed them crow for YEARS.
Honestly the Welling dream died along time ago for me.
I’m pulling for Snyder to cast someone else; I need to see that film fail as well.
Then everyone will say “people can’t relate to Superman any more, in this day and time.” lol.
As a Superman fan, I should never pull for any film to fail, but I’m still pissed over the Superman Returns movie.

Which is why I will always consider you a troll and a troublemaker.

 

[triplet]

I think the point I was trying to make got kinda lost.

Yeah, it is true Smallville has a bigger audience than the ratings would make it seem. It does well overseas and it does well in DVD sales, but maybe I need to rephrase what I was trying to say. So, for most of the American public, he isn't well-known even if his face is recognizable.

Millions saw Routh be Superman in SR and didn't like the film enough to see it more than once. I know I was in that boat, so he has zero pros as someone said and nothing but cons to his again pulling on the tights. The film was a train wreck on so many levels. Routh's wooden performance was only one of the problems, but it was probably the most prominent one.

No matter how much a certain segment of the fandom wants it, he won't be back. The studio, director and producer have all said as much, haven't they?

Whereas Tom Welling plays Superman believably and has done it for ten seasons now and does it without wearing the tights or flying.

Not only has he done that, he also comes with a built in fanbase if even a large part of the American audience isn't really sure who he is. He will put butts in the seats just being in the movie even if they don't do a bit of promotion because his fans will seek that film out.

As for the non-Smallville and non-Tom Welling fans, a lot of America has probably heard of him or at least seen his face. Added to that familiarity, his visibility in the role will be heightened because it's him in the role. The press love to love him and there will be tons of free publicity because of that.

They will have to spend next to nothing to get him recognized as Superman. Anybody else, a nameless, faceless nobody, will have to have a publicity push that will cost the company extra millions to get his face out in front of the public... They'll need to force feed the public with images of him as Superman. With Tom, they can bypass at least part of that.

Hell, they can even make an aspect of the marketing:

"See Tom Welling as you've never seen him before..." or whatever. (Marketing wasn't my major in college, clearly.)

Added to the recognition factor, Tom's grown as an actor and as an artist. He's smart and business savvy and is probably one of the hardest workers on TV. He's also a nice guy who a lot of people like to work with.

Some TV actors start to think too highly of themselves and become needy, high maintainance prima donnas who are a pain to work with. Producers are people too and they tend to work with people they like and get along well with.

If Tom's history on the show is any indictation, he will be a nice person to have on the set and won't shy away from doing things that are difficult or tedious and he can actually act. So, that is a huge point in his favor, unlike a unknown who may not have an established work history in the industry and an unknown work ethic.

I think if you look at the business end of things, hiring Tom makes so much sense and will actually help the film rather than hurt it.

Hollywood tends to play things safe. Betting 100 million or more on a 'relative unknown' when a known quantity is available would be stupid IMO. I don't think they'd want to chance it, if they can avoid it.

They'll go with the safe bet, whenever possible, so I think Tom has a good chance mostly because he's known quantity that already has a solid and fanatical fanbase. They'd love to help build on that, if they can.

Maybe it won't work out, maybe there is something else that might be a bar to Tom getting the part, but I think in business terms it makes a lot of sense for him to be cast.

 

[darkzombiemutt]

Alright Triplet, I'm sold. Welling for Superman!

 

[triplet]

alright triplet, i'm sold. Welling for superman!

t:

 

[enterthemadness]

Welling or no movie. Unless if he says no, but really, he will always be Clark Kent, I can't even see him stepping out of the shadow of Smallville acting wise.

 

[Webhead2006]

this is one reason i wish we did have snyder choice already or at least officially names testing so we know oh this or that is what they are looking for and can move away from folks who are definately not going to happen at all.

 

[triplet]

Welling or no movie. Unless if he says no, but really, he will always be Clark Kent, I can't even see him stepping out of the shadow of Smallville acting wise.

He will do fine, his acting is far better than most people think it is.

That's one reason I was sorry we didn't get to see more of him playing Clark Luthor in Luthor.

He was awesome and completely different from how Tom plays the usual Clark. The man can act and I think he will have a strong career after Smallville because of it.

I think if he does get the Snyder Superman film his contract will likely come with a lot of stipulations, first look deals, guaranteed work on non-Superman related films, etc....

I think Tom made some mistakes in the past on what to do in his time-off from Smallville (The Fog was a train wreck in a lot of ways, even if it was beautifully shot). Now that he's finally moving on and is free from the committment of doing a TV series 9 months of the year, I think he will be very smart of the type of parts he wants to play.

I think he needs to do what Russell Crowe did after his breakout role as a mysoginistic, angry Neo-Nazi skinhead in Romper Stomper. He played a gay plumber and a scared virgin.

I wish Russell would be more selective in his work, a lot of his recent roles have really sucked, but early on he had made some very smart moves to try and not be seen as only being able to play angry, physical parts.

I think if Tom does something like that, picks parts that are completely different from Clark, he will show the world that he has the range that I believe he has.

He need not be typecast or shoehorned into a narrow range of types of parts.

He is far too good and too smart I think to let that happen.

 

[vantheman77]

Noel Neill has played Lois Lane from both the Kirk Alyn movie serials and the George Reeves TV series. Bud Collier voiced Superman in both the radio shows and the Fleischer Superman cartoons. I wouldn't be surprised if TW plays Clark Kent in both Smallville and the reboot movies in addition to playing Superman. Same with ED as Lois Lane. Continuity may or may not be an issue.

 

[triplet]

Noel Neill has played Lois Lane from both the Kirk Alyn movie serials and the George Reeves TV series. Bud Collier voiced Superman in both the radio shows and the Fleischer Superman cartoons. I wouldn't be surprised if TW plays Clark Kent in both Smallville and the reboot movies in addition to playing Superman. Same with ED as Lois Lane. Continuity may or may not be an issue.

Good point.

 

[Billy Batson]

Which is why I will always consider you a troll and a troublemaker.

First off boss man, I'll go ape on folks in MY real life, not on these forums.
Second, I've restricted my input (freedom of speech) to Smallville and Shazam's threads, I've realized that I'm in a POLICE STATE.
Third, thanks for letting me know my voice isn't appreciated, AGAIN.

I think the point I was trying to make got kinda lost.

Yeah, it is true Smallville has a bigger audience than the ratings would make it seem. It does well overseas and it does well in DVD sales, but maybe I need to rephrase what I was trying to say. So, for most of the American public, he isn't well-known even if his face is recognizable.

Millions saw Routh be Superman in SR and didn't like the film enough to see it more than once. I know I was in that boat, so he has zero pros as someone said and nothing but cons to his again pulling on the tights. The film was a train wreck on so many levels. Routh's wooden performance was only one of the problems, but it was probably the most prominent one.

No matter how much a certain segment of the fandom wants it, he won't be back. The studio, director and producer have all said as much, haven't they?

Whereas Tom Welling plays Superman believably and has done it for ten seasons now and does it without wearing the tights or flying.

Not only has he done that, he also comes with a built in fanbase if even a large part of the American audience isn't really sure who he is. He will put butts in the seats just being in the movie even if they don't do a bit of promotion because his fans will seek that film out.

As for the non-Smallville and non-Tom Welling fans, a lot of America has probably heard of him or at least seen his face. Added to that familiarity, his visibility in the role will be heightened because it's him in the role. The press love to love him and there will be tons of free publicity because of that.

They will have to spend next to nothing to get him recognized as Superman. Anybody else, a nameless, faceless nobody, will have to have a publicity push that will cost the company extra millions to get his face out in front of the public... They'll need to force feed the public with images of him as Superman. With Tom, they can bypass at least part of that.

Hell, they can even make an aspect of the marketing:

"See Tom Welling as you've never seen him before..." or whatever. (Marketing wasn't my major in college, clearly.)

Added to the recognition factor, Tom's grown as an actor and as an artist. He's smart and business savvy and is probably one of the hardest workers on TV. He's also a nice guy who a lot of people like to work with.

Some TV actors start to think too highly of themselves and become needy, high maintainance prima donnas who are a pain to work with. Producers are people too and they tend to work with people they like and get along well with.

If Tom's history on the show is any indictation, he will be a nice person to have on the set and won't shy away from doing things that are difficult or tedious and he can actually act. So, that is a huge point in his favor, unlike a unknown who may not have an established work history in the industry and an unknown work ethic.

I think if you look at the business end of things, hiring Tom makes so much sense and will actually help the film rather than hurt it.

Hollywood tends to play things safe. Betting 100 million or more on a 'relative unknown' when a known quantity is available would be stupid IMO. I don't think they'd want to chance it, if they can avoid it.

They'll go with the safe bet, whenever possible, so I think Tom has a good chance mostly because he's known quantity that already has a solid and fanatical fanbase. They'd love to help build on that, if they can.

Maybe it won't work out, maybe there is something else that might be a bar to Tom getting the part, but I think in business terms it makes a lot of sense for him to be cast.

From your lips to the studio ears.

billy i know i dont want routh either i was just saying to routh fans there is pros for him along his major cons, and all.

I got that from you, i know where you stand, it's just I'm not allowed to speak to those folks directly.
I was using you to speak indirectly to the Sr supporters and BIG BROTHER still got on my case.
I haven't even been to the Superman side of the forums and dude still calling me names.
Other folks can come to Welling land and cry how great routh is and how Welling sucks and I'm not allowed to disagree.

 

[enterthemadness]

He will do fine, his acting is far better than most people think it is.

That's one reason I was sorry we didn't get to see more of him playing Clark Luthor in Luthor.

He was awesome and completely different from how Tom plays the usual Clark. The man can act and I think he will have a strong career after Smallville because of it.

I think if he does get the Snyder Superman film his contract will likely come with a lot of stipulations, first look deals, guaranteed work on non-Superman related films, etc....

I think Tom made some mistakes in the past on what to do in his time-off from Smallville (The Fog was a train wreck in a lot of ways, even if it was beautifully shot). Now that he's finally moving on and is free from the committment of doing a TV series 9 months of the year, I think he will be very smart of the type of parts he wants to play.

I think he needs to do what Russell Crowe did after his breakout role as a mysoginistic, angry Neo-Nazi skinhead in Romper Stomper. He played a gay plumber and a scared virgin.

I wish Russell would be more selective in his work, a lot of his recent roles have really sucked, but early on he had made some very smart moves to try and not be seen as only being able to play angry, physical parts.

I think if Tom does something like that, picks parts that are completely different from Clark, he will show the world that he has the range that I believe he has.

He need not be typecast or shoehorned into a narrow range of types of parts.

He is far too good and too smart I think to let that happen.

You think he could also direct more?

I just hope he doesn't become another Adrian Paul. Aka talent, but bad choices. At least AP has the PEACE Fund, children charity foundation.

Wait a minute...check this out.

Celebrities such as Adrian Paul, Tom Welling,[6] and Michael York[7] have provided auction items, participated in and/or sponsored P.E.A.C.E events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Peace_Fund

Maybe they work together one day?

 

[triplet]

From your lips to the studio ears.

You think he could also direct more?

I think he will direct, he seems to love doing it and he is really very good at it.

In terms of that, he may do what some other actor/director types have done: setup a film that he wants to direct that he can also be in.

Look at The Town from Ben Affleck. It was a great part for him and he did a great job directly, or so I've heard, haven't seen it yet. He wrote and directed that film in addition to being in it, but would the film had gotten made if he hadn't done all that?

George Clooney has also directed himself a few times, mostly on films that might not have gotten financed otherwise.

He could very well use his appeal as an actor let him do more directing, and get films made that he wants to make.

Can't think of a better thing for him to do.

I just hope he doesn't become another Adrian Paul. Aka talent, but bad choices. At least AP has the PEACE Fund, children charity foundation.

Wait a minute...check this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Peace_Fund

Maybe they work together one day?

Adrian Paul I don't think has Tom's range, but I hope Tom makes better choices or his career will be going no where fast.

As they say, you're only as good as your last project so I hope he picks good ones.

 

[Webhead2006]

I am sure welling will probably act here or that. But probably will take a more behind the scenes role after sv is over. Directing/producing and probably making some more shows for his produ@tion house/bringing in more shows.

As for superman, I still would love to see him do film. But I know not to have high hopes there. And I still do feel for the reboot itself itswould be better to have its own cast. I definately can't wait to see the type of cast snyder picks for his film.

 

[Serene]

I just want to find out who's cast soon so i can stop constantly looking for news.

I'm with you.

If Tom is the guy - I'll be DELIGHTED and SHOCKED </understatement>, and then I'll start worrying about the script.

If he's not - I'll cross my fingers and hope for the best, then start worrying about the script.

Some would disagree and say the script is more important that the lead casting, but for me, if the actor who is cast can't embody and project the core elements of this most iconic of characters, then it would be almost impossible for me to truly love the film.

Of course, as can be seen in these forums, a perfect Superman is always going to be highly subjective. Going with who the general public will perceive as an acceptable Clark Kent/Superman seems to be the safest bet in terms of pleasing the most people.

I think it's obvious who I think would fulfill that role best, although I do think there are other options who would also work.

As far as this argument that people would think it's a Smallville movie... We go around and around with the same arguments.

Once more:
- Not enough people watch Smallville to know every single (omg, bastardization of the mythos!) detail.
- Most of the general public's only perception of Smallville is a show about Superman's roots. So... what's the problem? IT IS.
- Personally, I'd be fine with them using Tom as Supes and not be obligated to anything else SV related - even casting. I wouldn't hate it if they did, but I could easily live with them just taking Tom.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I think the point I was trying to make got kinda lost.

Yeah, it is true Smallville has a bigger audience than the ratings would make it seem. It does well overseas and it does well in DVD sales, but maybe I need to rephrase what I was trying to say. So, for most of the American public, he isn't well-known even if his face is recognizable.

Millions saw Routh be Superman in SR and didn't like the film enough to see it more than once. I know I was in that boat, so he has zero pros as someone said and nothing but cons to his again pulling on the tights. The film was a train wreck on so many levels. Routh's wooden performance was only one of the problems, but it was probably the most prominent one.

No matter how much a certain segment of the fandom wants it, he won't be back. The studio, director and producer have all said as much, haven't they?

Whereas Tom Welling plays Superman believably and has done it for ten seasons now and does it without wearing the tights or flying.

Not only has he done that, he also comes with a built in fanbase if even a large part of the American audience isn't really sure who he is. He will put butts in the seats just being in the movie even if they don't do a bit of promotion because his fans will seek that film out.

As for the non-Smallville and non-Tom Welling fans, a lot of America has probably heard of him or at least seen his face. Added to that familiarity, his visibility in the role will be heightened because it's him in the role. The press love to love him and there will be tons of free publicity because of that.

They will have to spend next to nothing to get him recognized as Superman. Anybody else, a nameless, faceless nobody, will have to have a publicity push that will cost the company extra millions to get his face out in front of the public... They'll need to force feed the public with images of him as Superman. With Tom, they can bypass at least part of that.

Hell, they can even make an aspect of the marketing:

"See Tom Welling as you've never seen him before..." or whatever. (Marketing wasn't my major in college, clearly.)

Added to the recognition factor, Tom's grown as an actor and as an artist. He's smart and business savvy and is probably one of the hardest workers on TV. He's also a nice guy who a lot of people like to work with.

Some TV actors start to think too highly of themselves and become needy, high maintainance prima donnas who are a pain to work with. Producers are people too and they tend to work with people they like and get along well with.

If Tom's history on the show is any indictation, he will be a nice person to have on the set and won't shy away from doing things that are difficult or tedious and he can actually act. So, that is a huge point in his favor, unlike a unknown who may not have an established work history in the industry and an unknown work ethic.

I think if you look at the business end of things, hiring Tom makes so much sense and will actually help the film rather than hurt it.

Hollywood tends to play things safe. Betting 100 million or more on a 'relative unknown' when a known quantity is available would be stupid IMO. I don't think they'd want to chance it, if they can avoid it.

They'll go with the safe bet, whenever possible, so I think Tom has a good chance mostly because he's known quantity that already has a solid and fanatical fanbase. They'd love to help build on that, if they can.

Maybe it won't work out, maybe there is something else that might be a bar to Tom getting the part, but I think in business terms it makes a lot of sense for him to be cast.

You're an unbelievable writer Trip. Great speech right there. Can we send it to Warner, Snyder, Nolan, etc ? ;0)
I would just add the being relatable factor that is very important on the success of Superman or I dare say in every super-hero movie ever made (if you don't believe me, ask Marvel).
Everytime Superman is portrayed as an invincible God whether on comics, tv or movies, it fails big time. One of the big reasons of Tom and Smallville's sucess is how (for all their wrongs) they portrayal the character the right way, as the most human of us all.
People from around the world relate to Tom's Clark/Blur/Superman and that is why they want him so badly to be cast. The general audience that doesn't know or care about the show will follow on if they relate/connect with Superman. Superman only works if the lead actor makes you believe (I don't care how good the movie is or how big the action is) and Tom makes ppl believe in Superman again.
Put another actor in the suit and the excuse (when all else fails) like Billy said will be that the world doesn't believe in Superman anymore. Not true. They just don't believe in Supermen they don't care or relate to.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I think he needs to do what Russell Crowe did after his breakout role as a mysoginistic, angry Neo-Nazi skinhead in Romper Stomper. He played a gay plumber and a scared virgin.

I wish Russell would be more selective in his work, a lot of his recent roles have really sucked, but early on he had made some very smart moves to try and not be seen as only being able to play angry, physical parts.

I think if Tom does something like that, picks parts that are completely different from Clark, he will show the world that he has the range that I believe he has.

He need not be typecast or shoehorned into a narrow range of types of parts.

He is far too good and too smart I think to let that happen.

I see him (if he's smart enough with his choices and is lucky with the kind of material he's offered) in time going more on the same route that Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio have gone. He also can't be too risky and totally alienate his fan base with parts that are too radical. Christopher Reeve tried to do that and it didn't work well for him.
But I can see Tom doing all genres, pure comedy, romantic comedy, action, thriller, science fiction, drama, etc. And of course directing.
If they offer him the role of Superman, I'm pretty sure Warner (or even his agent will try to get it for him) will sweeten the deal by adding a few non-Superman pictures to the contract.

 

[C. Lee]

First off boss man, I'll go ape on folks in MY real life, not on these forums.

That is all I have ever asked of you.

Second, I've restricted my input (freedom of speech) to Smallville and Shazam's threads,

That must be because I said if you can't post elsewhere without trolling, don't post.

I've realized that I'm in a POLICE STATE.

Ah, the old I'm living in a POLICE STATE because I'm not allowed to troll or attack other people response.

Third, thanks for letting me know my voice isn't appreciated, AGAIN.

Yes, when you are making trollish, rude, and homophobic remarks...they are NOT appreciated.

I was using you to speak indirectly to the Sr supporters and BIG BROTHER still got on my case.

When you made a post that said you would troll if a certain event happened. With your past track record, I felt you needed reminding to not do such actions.

I haven't even been to the Superman side of the forums and dude still calling me names.

Many times when a regular poster calls another one a TROLL it can be considerd name calling as away to start a fight. You are called a troll because it is the conscensus of the staff based upon your history here.

Other folks can come to Welling land and cry how great routh is and how Welling sucks and I'm not allowed to disagree.

I don't know how many times I have to say this (not only here but all over the entire site)....you see something that can be considered trolling or trouble making...report it. If someone wants to start a fight...it doesn't become a fight until someone answers back.