Hogwarts School of Witchcraft & Relationships

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Haha, I had another friend tell me a similar thing.

I haven't totally given up hope, but its hard to remain optimistic when women literally pine and swoon for any guy that's not me.

I've had so many single women complain about being single, how they can't find good guys, or guys don't like them, then I come along and show interest and they are just like "Umm.... No...", and then turn around and say "I wish there were cool single guys around"... Right in front of me where I can hear it. Doesn't make me feel awesome about my prospects.
Sounds like my love life when I was in college too. :oldrazz: You're not alone!

For what it's worth, my fiance is really glad he has me, judging by the stories he hears from his friends about the lame women they date. :funny:
 
Haha, I had another friend tell me a similar thing.

I haven't totally given up hope, but its hard to remain optimistic when women literally pine and swoon for any guy that's not me.

I've had so many single women complain about being single, how they can't find good guys, or guys don't like them, then I come along and show interest and they are just like "Umm.... No...", and then turn around and say "I wish there were cool single guys around"... Right in front of me where I can hear it. Doesn't make me feel awesome about my prospects.

Well i'm sick of guys saying they just don't want a relationship, having a fling with me... and then a couple of months later they are in a committed relationship with some other girl and it's like 'Oh, so what you meant was you just didn't want a committed relationship with ME'.

And i'm trying to remain optimistic!
 
Haha, I had another friend tell me a similar thing.

I haven't totally given up hope, but its hard to remain optimistic when women literally pine and swoon for any guy that's not me.

I've had so many single women complain about being single, how they can't find good guys, or guys don't like them, then I come along and show interest and they are just like "Umm.... No...", and then turn around and say "I wish there were cool single guys around"... Right in front of me where I can hear it. Doesn't make me feel awesome about my prospects.

Stop befriending every chick that turns you down.
 
I've had so many single women complain about being single, how they can't find good guys that they attracted to, or guys, they are attracted to don't like them, then I come along and show interest and they are just like "Umm.... No...", and then turn around and say "I wish there were cool single guys around"... Right in front of me where I can hear it. Doesn't make me feel awesome about my prospects.

That's the reason.
 
Some of the girls you pick. Not every girl.

You have to remember that men/women aren't interchangeable.

Just because girl wants a good guy, doesn't mean you specifically will fit the bill.

I mean when you had your gf and some of your friend(s) were mad because they wanted you to date some other girl that you weren't attracted to? I'm sure she was a good girl.
 
Some of the girls you pick. Not every girl.

You have to remember that men/women aren't interchangeable.

Just because girl wants a good guy, doesn't mean you specifically will fit the bill.

I mean when you had your gf and some of your friend(s) were mad because they wanted you to date some other girl that you weren't attracted to? I'm sure she was a good girl.

Every girl that I've picked. Not "some"

Except one, my ex.

So every girl that I've picked except 1. Yea I wasn't attracted to one girl that people wanted me to date. I don't expect every girl I go after to be attracted to me. Hell one girl i have a major crush on doesnt like me that way for whate er reason despite all the things we have in common, and i dont exactly begrudge her for it, and we get along.

Like people say, youre gonna get more nos than yes. But I don't get the yes ever.

You're talking to a guy that got turned down 20 times to my senior prom... I am not exaggerating. I got rejected 20 times for prom until someone finally said yes. I don't exactly have a swagger about me when it comes to picking up girls.
 
Some people have easier times than others. But as long as you find 1 girl, who cares?

And I had trouble with prom, actually had my date cancel and I had to go through a few others until someone said yes.

I don't know why you have so much trouble. You ask for numbers, sometimes you don't come off aggressive enough. The only thing is you are not picking the right girls.
 
Some people have easier times than others. But as long as you find 1 girl, who cares?

And I had trouble with prom, actually had my date cancel and I had to go through a few others until someone said yes.

I don't know why you have so much trouble. You ask for numbers, sometimes you don't come off aggressive enough. The only thing is you are not picking the right girls.

Well because I found 1 girl... and it didn't last... and my confidence boost that came from that, and the feeling that "Hey, I can get a girl!" was quickly shattered when the months that followed were filled with girls that said they wanted to go out, but never followed through, girls that were seemingly pursuing me but really weren't, and girls that reveal after the fact that they aren't interested in me. That one girl that I did get seems to be the exception, not the rule.

Yea, all I need is one girl, technically, but given my history, I don't have the confidence that one girl exists, the confidence that I'm gonna find that "one" girl. At this point, I don't even have the confidence that I'm gonna find "any" girl. It doesn't help my confidence any when I see girls swooning and pining after all these other guys, just gushing over them at every opportunity... the same girls that have shown absolutely no interest in me whatsoever.

Sorry if that comes off as "emo", I'm really not.
 
Well because I found 1 girl... and it didn't last... and my confidence boost that came from that, and the feeling that "Hey, I can get a girl!" was quickly shattered when the months that followed were filled with girls that said they wanted to go out, but never followed through, girls that were seemingly pursuing me but really weren't, and girls that reveal after the fact that they aren't interested in me. That one girl that I did get seems to be the exception, not the rule.

Yea, all I need is one girl, technically, but given my history, I don't have the confidence that one girl exists, the confidence that I'm gonna find that "one" girl. At this point, I don't even have the confidence that I'm gonna find "any" girl. It doesn't help my confidence any when I see girls swooning and pining after all these other guys, just gushing over them at every opportunity... the same girls that have shown absolutely no interest in me whatsoever.

Sorry if that comes off as "emo", I'm really not.
You...haven't realized that there are literally millions upon millions of women aged 18-30? :funny:

Have you tried changing up the scenery a bit? It seems (from your posts) like you're mostly hanging out with your theater peeps and friends of these theater peeps. And I love theater folks, but they can be an overly dramatic bunch and I could never date one. :funny:
 
You...haven't realized that there are literally millions upon millions of women aged 18-30? :funny:

Have you tried changing up the scenery a bit? It seems (from your posts) like you're mostly hanging out with your theater peeps and friends of these theater peeps. And I love theater folks, but they can be an overly dramatic bunch and I could never date one. :funny:

I'm going by trends. And right now, the trend is that women aren't interested in me.

I'm not a case of a guy getting more "no's" than "yes's", I'm a case of getting nothing but no's. I have had one "yes", in terms of a relationship, a relationship that lasted all of 3 months and had zero intimacy or affection.

It's not just theater girls. Despite the perception, theater girls probably make up the minority of the types of girls that I go after. Yes, I've gone after my fair share of girls within the department, but I go for way more girls outside of the department as well. The "no's" come in the department, outside the department, they came when I lived in California, they come now that I live in Tennessee, they come from girls that I have spent time getting to know, and develop a connection and tons of mutual interests, and they've come from meeting a new girl, feeling an instant spark and making an immediate move. I've had one second date in my entire life... with my ex girlfriend.

There might be millions of women out there, but the trend in my 29 years of life is that of the ones that I have had any kind of interest or attraction to, 99% of them have zero interest or attraction to me. And the ones that did have some kind of interest in me (and there's only been about 3 or 4 of them), have some kind of emotional issue (including already having boyfriends...) that keeps them from having any kind of meaningful relationship with me.
 
I'm going by trends. And right now, the trend is that women aren't interested in me.

I'm not a case of a guy getting more "no's" than "yes's", I'm a case of getting nothing but no's. I have had one "yes", in terms of a relationship, a relationship that lasted all of 3 months and had zero intimacy or affection.

It's not just theater girls. Despite the perception, theater girls probably make up the minority of the types of girls that I go after. Yes, I've gone after my fair share of girls within the department, but I go for way more girls outside of the department as well. The "no's" come in the department, outside the department, they came when I lived in California, they come now that I live in Tennessee, they come from girls that I have spent time getting to know, and develop a connection and tons of mutual interests, and they've come from meeting a new girl, feeling an instant spark and making an immediate move. I've had one second date in my entire life... with my ex girlfriend.

There might be millions of women out there, but the trend in my 29 years of life is that of the ones that I have had any kind of interest or attraction to, 99% of them have zero interest or attraction to me. And the ones that did have some kind of interest in me (and there's only been about 3 or 4 of them), have some kind of emotional issue (including already having boyfriends...) that keeps them from having any kind of meaningful relationship with me.
And you do know very well that past trends never indicate future returns, right? :cwink:

Man, I don't really know what to say to you anymore. You're wandering into Dark Raven kind of territory. :o Not to say I don't love Dark Raven, but there's nothing that your friends or us can do to fix a defeatist attitude. But at least you're still trying.
 
I mean, there's really nothing that you, or anyone else can say. Until I have reason to believe otherwise, I'm not going to have the confidence that I'm someone that women will be interested in sexually or romantically. Like you said, I'm gonna keep trying, but I just don't have any reason to believe that results will be different when they never have been.
 
Stop trying. Seriously.

I mean, I just don't get the mentality of going all round your high school and asking 20 girls to prom... Why were you that desperate for a date? And did you even like the girl who eventually said yes, or was it a case of 'any girl will do'? Do you think people knew you'd asked so many? Do you think she knew? Where you hoping you'd get laid? Or was it just a male pride thing that I won't get?

I mean, I went to prom with my gay best mate. Nobody asked me to prom. I never expected them too. And it never once bothered me :confused: Why would it, no guys had shown any interest previously, why would they just because it was prom?

Do you think that is how you're still acting? Do you try it on with every girl you fancy? And how soon after meeting them do you try it on? Do you think you appear too eager?

Maybe it would actually do some good to take a break from it all?

Sorry for all the questions. I'm just baffled :)
 
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I think Nell definitely tries too hard. I see him being one of those who calls/texts way too much, and gives too much attention too quickly.
 
Nell from what I am reading, it seems like you're trying to hard. Also I'd highly recommend reading The Game by Neil Strauss. Tons of valuable advice in there.
 
IMO reading a book is still trying.

I'm saying get girls out of you're head for a while.
 
IMO reading a book is still trying.

I'm saying get girls out of you're head for a while.
you clearly don't have a penis.


i'm about to move halfway around the world, am pretty much in love with a friend of mine over here (haven't told her, but i don't hide it) who spends half the year back in a relatively close area to me in the states and i'm fighting the urge to dump all my crazy on her and slowplay it.
 
Nell from what I am reading, it seems like you're trying to hard. Also I'd highly recommend reading The Game by Neil Strauss. Tons of valuable advice in there.
I would not reccommend that book.

For a lot of reasons, one being it's essentially a piece of fiction, admittedly by the author (like Tucker Max). Two, that PUAs are just a pyramid scheme. One of the instructors (whose *****ebag name escapes me) only had sex with one person before he started charging huge fees for seminar's one his "pick up method". One of the others, Jefferies, is reported to be creepy in public and the only women people seem to verify him having slept with are prostitutes.

I mean I've read The Game probably for similar reasons to others who picked it up, but all of the people I knew who swore by it were not ladies men. Quite the opposite, and in fact I largely think the advice made them worse.

My problem with The Game is it makes the same faulty assumptions that make guys like Nell have so many problems in the first place.

It assumes girls don't want sex with the people they want it with, that in fact men have to convince them to have sex with someone they don't initially want to or have no physical attraction to.

It assumes you have to peacock, which is essentially attention ****ing at it's finest.

It assumes that if you don't have confidence you can simply fake it.

It also assumes that if I say/do something, and it works, that it can be canned in some sort of routine and redone by someone else.

I guess where The Game approaches good advice is everything derives from some sort of notion of confidence building, maybe in some sense trying to fake their way to actual confidence.

Yet PUAs all still put way too much thought into what is essentially simple. The last thing you want to do when trying to be smooth with a lady is fumble around on some routine about "u" shaped smiles versus "c" shaped smiles.
 
you clearly don't have a penis.

i'm about to move halfway around the world, am pretty much in love with a friend of mine over here (haven't told her, but i don't hide it) who spends half the year back in a relatively close area to me in the states and i'm fighting the urge to dump all my crazy on her and slowplay it.

I don't even understand what that means.

How can you dump all your crazy on someone AND slowplay it? Surely dumping all your crazy on them is the opposite of slow playing it?

And no, I don't have a penis. Brilliant powers of deduction :o
 
I don't even understand what that means.

How can you dump all your crazy on someone AND slowplay it? Surely dumping all your crazy on them is the opposite of slow playing it?

And no, I don't have a penis. Brilliant powers of deduction :o
well yes, that's why i'm trying not to dump the crazy, because those are two very different things, so if i didn't explain that well enough.

and as for my detective skills, i AM batman...
 
When you're not sure about a girl's answer, just kidnap her whole family and threaten to kill them all if she doesn't go on a date with you.
 
Well i'm sick of guys saying they just don't want a relationship, having a fling with me... and then a couple of months later they are in a committed relationship with some other girl and it's like 'Oh, so what you meant was you just didn't want a committed relationship with ME'.

A couple of months can make a pretty sizeable difference in a guy's mindset. Its more than likely that in those couple of months, they found someone that better suited them, or they decided that they wanted a committed relationship. I went through something similar last year. For six months, I didn't want anything except to date around, etc. There were a couple of girls that there was absolutely nothing wrong with that I didn't get into committed relationships with just because of where I was/who we were in relation. When they moved on, my mindset started to change a bit, and I made a commitment to someone. I've known that to happen a lot.

It's not just theater girls. Despite the perception, theater girls probably make up the minority of the types of girls that I go after. Yes, I've gone after my fair share of girls within the department, but I go for way more girls outside of the department as well. The "no's" come in the department, outside the department, they came when I lived in California, they come now that I live in Tennessee, they come from girls that I have spent time getting to know, and develop a connection and tons of mutual interests, and they've come from meeting a new girl, feeling an instant spark and making an immediate move. I've had one second date in my entire life... with my ex girlfriend.

Good. Only pursuing theatre girls will kill your soul. So what kind of women do you "go after"?

There might be millions of women out there, but the trend in my 29 years of life is that of the ones that I have had any kind of interest or attraction to, 99% of them have zero interest or attraction to me.

Do you have any idea why that is?

And the ones that did have some kind of interest in me (and there's only been about 3 or 4 of them), have some kind of emotional issue (including already having boyfriends...) that keeps them from having any kind of meaningful relationship with me.

Do you think that its really that those girls are the only ones that have interest in you...or is it that you have had tended to have the most interest in people who often have emotional issues, boyfriends, etc?

I mean, there's really nothing that you, or anyone else can say. Until I have reason to believe otherwise, I'm not going to have the confidence that I'm someone that women will be interested in sexually or romantically. Like you said, I'm gonna keep trying, but I just don't have any reason to believe that results will be different when they never have been.

I get that. You're someone who requires proof, and its difficult to believe otherwise when you've never experienced it.

I'll echo what several others have said; it may not feel like it, but it sounds like you might be trying a bit too hard in general. I find that romantic stuff goes better when you're not trying at all, and for some reason, relationships seem to happen more when you're not expecting them, hoping for them, planning to make them happen, and making that the focus of your hopes, but rather building some confidence and self esteem and generally being happy with yourself via the pursuit of other aspects of life. For some reason, a lot of people get initially interested and then immediately turned off by "effort". I'm sure they often perceive it as desperation. And girls who perceive desperation, especially those with underlying emotional issues, serious insecurities or unsatisfying relationships, many of them will use that to stroke their egos and to make themselves feel better about themselves, even if they have no real interest in you, or a passing interest.

I would not reccommend that book.

Personally, I enjoyed reading The Game, mostly because it gave me insight into the mindset of men who I'd always considered better at everything related to women, and revealed their insecurities and faults, not for the insight into women it provided. I found a lot of its insights about women to be pretty obvious stuff, they just gave it clever nicknames in the book. There are things you can glean from it about being good with women (and people, in general) that don't involve the "system".
 
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