The Dark Knight Rises How does TDKR make you feel? How do you feel about TDKR? Hate it?

[AnneFan]

Or maybe they filmed Batman just finishing up his gasoline masterpiece before he saves everyone.

Oh, I remember this. How funny. Gotham's under siege, time is of the essence and Batman carefully marks out a bat logo with gasoline. That would make the best deleted scene of all time.

 

[Schlosser85]

After apparating back into a city on lockdown from being penniless on the other side of the world.

 

[Human Torch]

Why? It's just a nod to the character for the fans. He's not literally Robin, what's the big deal.

Sure, he's influenced by elements of Dick Grayson and Tim Drake. That's obvious. But he's not Robin. Like John Campea from AMC said, he's not 10 years old or some teenager, he doesn't get adopted by Bruce Wayne, his parents weren't circus performers, his name is different, he's like 25 or older, he's not actually Robin. He becomes Batman.

That's where I disagree with Campea.(Well,I tend to disagree with him most of the time.)As far as Nolan's universe is concerned,Robin can be Bruce's pet Orangutan that dances in a pink tutu and that would be Nolan's version of Robin.Not an especially good version to be sure,but that universe's version.

It's the same way that fans of Black's Mandarin swore on their grandfather's grave that Killian was the "real honest to goodness actual really real Mandarin"........because Killian said so.In one line.

He's a poor incarnation,created by the director to fill a specific slot that was expected by the GA.Nothing more,nothing less.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

I literally face palmed when he said his name was Robin. I almost stood up and shouted "are you kidding me?!?".

That was me as well, for like almost everything that happened in the last 15 minutes of the film or so.


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I guess that was part of it (He was reminded of why he became Batman in the first place.)But,I think Alfred saying how Dick needed guidance gave him the impetus to turn his Batman from the vengeance minded killer of the Burton films,to a more positive symbol.

But Alfred told him about Dick needing guidance throughout the whole movie. And Bruce still insisted in quitting. I seriously don't get the connection between remembering the giant bat and realizing he wanted to be Batman.

A lot of people like to quibble over "was Blake reallllly Robin?" But for me it's the same as Mandarin in IM 3.For the Nolan universe Blake IS Robin.He's not a particularly good interpretation of the character IMO,but he IS Nolan's Robin.

At least something of the classic Mandarin was in IM3, whereas nothing but a name was in TDKR's "Robin."


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Blake was never meant to be Robin. His first name being Robin was just a nod to the character of Robin, since in TDKR Blake is basically Batman's little helper (and he had certain aspects of Robin, like the orphan thing).

So comparing Blake and Dick from Batman Forever like they're both Robin is kind of unfair. Blake wasn't meant to be a full-fledged version of Robin in the first place.

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Well, technically he was literally Robin.

How about all those "Nolan will never introduce or hint at Robin, he's in a baby carriage somewhere". Yeah, a baby carriage at St. Swithens!

There is this "Robinesque" thing going on in the movie with him being an orphan, driving Bruce around, being told to wear a mask, and all. It's in this weird territory where it's like, "is he or isn't he".

What is this "Robinesque" thing going on in movie with John Blake? He was not a child whose parents were killed boy a villain, he was not adopted by Bruce Wayne, he didn't fight crime along him as his sidekick in his particular costume.

 

[shauner111]

Jonah Nolan says..


“It’s a wink at the audience. There’s such a huge kind of incredible universe that writers from Bob Kane, Bill Finger, Jerry Robinson, onwards, artists and writers who created this massive universe filled with jewels, frankly. So many characters that you can never do all of them justice,” he explained. “But I think we endeavored to do was not the complete story of Batman but our complete story of this character. It’s one of the reasons why I really wanted to see the Catwoman character there, a favorite of mine, and I think the wink towards Robin was an acknowledgement to, you like the character or not like the character, he’s a huge part of that universe for 70 years.”

 

[Dark Guardian]

As for how it makes me feel? It makes me feel thrilled, entertained, awestruck, pumped up, challenged, scared, inspired, and ultimately gives me this amazing cathartic, fulfilled feeling at the end. Basically a complete roller coaster of emotions where I really feel like I've went on a truly epic journey with the character of Bruce Wayne.

I have been trying ever since seeing the film to put into words what I felt watching that film, and I've always failed.
But you did it.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I like the movie, but the poll choices suck and the title of the thread is trash.

 

[shauner111]

 

[spiderman2]

Not only my favorite comic book movie ever my favorite movie ever! Up in till it came out Spiderman 2 was still my favorite comic book movie ever. I love all 3 of the batman movies in this triligey but I think TDK is overrated it is my least favorite of the 3 and if not for how amazing the acting for the joker I don't think it would have gotten quite has high of reviews has it got. TDKR I think had the best soundtrack of all 3 and I loved both fights with bane. Ann Hathaway has cat woman was great to she was very sexy and I thought it was a great movie to end the series.

 

[747]

It makes me feel enrichingly sad, scared, thrilled, inspired, hopeful, relived and joyful. This film's biggest stength for me is it's effective emotional spectrum. And those emotions take away most of the technical and scripting flaws for me.

 

[I Am The Knight]

It makes me feel enrichingly sad, scared, thrilled, inspired, hopeful, relived and joyful. This film's biggest stength for me is it's effective emotional spectrum. And those emotions take away most of the technical and scripting flaws for me.

That seems to be the case for most diehard TDKR lovers.

 

[BatLobster]

That should be the case for any movie. A movie's most important function is to engage you emotionally. If a movie accomplishes that and gets you to invest in the story completely and forget about the fact that it's a movie for 2 hours, then that's pretty much how I know that I loved a movie, rather than just appreciated or liked it.

But then again, the reverse is also true in some cases...and the extreme hatred and disgust for this movie by some causes them to reach and find additional "flaws" that aren't objective in the least.

 

[shauner111]

Yeah, "plot holes" that aren't even there.

 

[shauner111]

I want to point out something..

Blake can seek out Bruce if he wants to learn from the best. Im sure Bruce would help him out and take the time to train him.

 

[Schlosser85]

Yea, Bruce isn't being too discrete considering he's sitting there in broad daylight in a crowded cafe in a major European city looking exactly the same, not long after being a recently dead celebrity.

 

[Schlosser85]

That should be the case for any movie. A movie's most important function is to engage you emotionally. If a movie accomplishes that and gets you to invest in the story completely and forget about the fact that it's a movie for 2 hours, then that's pretty much how I know that I loved a movie, rather than just appreciated or liked it.

But then again, the reverse is also true in some cases...and the extreme hatred and disgust for this movie by some causes them to reach and find additional "flaws" that aren't objective in the least.

I agree with this.

I don't particularly get the "enhanced cheesiness" or "more plot holes" argument about TDKR in comparison to BB or TDK. They all have some pretty gaping plot holes. The Joker in TDK is practically magic with the stuff he pulls off with vague throwaway explanations or no explanations at all.

 

[I Am The Knight]

That should be the case for any movie. A movie's most important function is to engage you emotionally. If a movie accomplishes that and gets you to invest in the story completely and forget about the fact that it's a movie for 2 hours, then that's pretty much how I know that I loved a movie, rather than just appreciated or liked it.

But then again, the reverse is also true in some cases...and the extreme hatred and disgust for this movie by some causes them to reach and find additional "flaws" that aren't objective in the least.

Sure, I get that. There's plenty of comic book movies with flaws that I just love. However, for me, TDKR just goes out of it's way to make me feel like Nolan lost his magic. As the conclusion to TDK trilogy, I can enjoy the overall film, but the bad stuff tends to outweigh the good stuff. It's essentially a mixed bag for me.

The Avengers is a pretty good but hardly terribly interesting comic book movie, but I would have to rate it higher than TDKR (a film with interesting ideas) because I was satisfied with the experience, while TDKR left me scratching my head.

 

[BatLobster]

Sure, I get that. There's plenty of comic book movies with flaws that I just love. However, for me, TDKR just goes out of it's way to make me feel like Nolan lost his magic. As the conclusion to TDK trilogy, I can enjoy the overall film, but the bad stuff tends to outweigh the good stuff. It's essentially a mixed bag for me.

The Avengers is a pretty good but hardly terribly interesting comic book movie, but I would have to rate it higher than TDKR (a film with interesting ideas) because I was satisfied with the experience, while TDKR left me scratching my head.

And that's fine too. It all comes down to feelings at the end of the day (which I guess is the point of this thread?).

 

[shauner111]

Im glad i dont really see bad stuff in the movie. I dont see the plotholes like others do. So im able to just enjoy the movie completely, every time i watch it. If anything, i think Nolan gets better and better with each movie he makes.

 

[DACrowe]

I like the movie, but the poll choices suck and the title of the thread is trash.

 

[Walt Bickle]

Robin john blake.

dick Grayson becomes a cop when he grows up and becomes a natural leader.
blake becomes a cop when he grows up and becomes a natural leader.

***** middle name is john after his father.
blakes middle name is john.

Jason todd is an orphan and a hothead.
blake is n orphan and a hothead.

tim drake is a good detective and deducts batmans identity.
drakes 2nd name rhymes with blake.
he is a good detective and deducts batmans identity.

character disagrees with system and hates guns too etc.

I liked the merging of robins as a twist but just thought it was handled terribly

 

[OutOfBoose]

I don't particularly get the "enhanced cheesiness" or "more plot holes" argument about TDKR in comparison to BB or TDK. They all have some pretty gaping plot holes. The Joker in TDK is practically magic with the stuff he pulls off with vague throwaway explanations or no explanations at all.

Half of TDKR's problems is execution. Another half (much bigger one) - common sense behind the story. Comrade milost explained it all in precise detail and I totally agree with him.

 

[Shikamaru]

Jonah Nolan says..


“It’s a wink at the audience. There’s such a huge kind of incredible universe that writers from Bob Kane, Bill Finger, Jerry Robinson, onwards, artists and writers who created this massive universe filled with jewels, frankly. So many characters that you can never do all of them justice,” he explained. “But I think we endeavored to do was not the complete story of Batman but our complete story of this character. It’s one of the reasons why I really wanted to see the Catwoman character there, a favorite of mine, and I think the wink towards Robin was an acknowledgement to, you like the character or not like the character, he’s a huge part of that universe for 70 years.”

Yep. That's exactly what he is. Pandering to the audience.

 

[Ryan]

That should be the case for any movie. A movie's most important function is to engage you emotionally. If a movie accomplishes that and gets you to invest in the story completely and forget about the fact that it's a movie for 2 hours, then that's pretty much how I know that I loved a movie, rather than just appreciated or liked it.

But then again, the reverse is also true in some cases...and the extreme hatred and disgust for this movie by some causes them to reach and find additional "flaws" that aren't objective in the least.

I like this post. When I saw Batman Begins, I was pretty bowled over with this new take on Batman. I never really cared for the earlier films and I thought this was more in line with how I viewed Batman. When I saw TDK, initially I was a bit put off as I thought it would be more like BB. As time went on though, I began to like the originality of the film and how Nolan had shot a sequel without it feeling like a sequel. With TDKR, I was underwhelmed and repeated viewings have made it worse. I thought a lot of it was all too familiar and I couldn't connect to the scope of this film.

 

[milost]

I like the movie, but the poll choices suck and the title of the thread is trash.

And that's the point . . .

I just need/neded the names of those voting for the first two categories.