I'm still quite partial to this idea. We could get a "616-ish" Goblin without the need to explain how a latex mask moves so fluidly and how Norman can change in and out of his Goblin gear so quickly.
Besides, I like the idea of a 616 and Ultimate hybrid.
Anybody remember the part in the Ultimate comics where Norman has Peter come to his penthouse and reveals that he knows who Peter is and intimidates him by transforming into Goblin right in front of him? That moment made Norman intimidating in his own right. It was intense and I would LOVE to see it adapted for this film series.
i'm glad you brought that scene up, that's actually the one thing that I think really worked about Ultimate Goblin. that was a great scene and I was wondering earlier what the payoff was with that direction, physically, and that's true. that scene kinda says it perfectly.
but I think it's far better to have the Goblin be an outwardly normal guy. that is psychologically twisted into a different form.
and for masks and all that. I'd say that some small amount of costume shop mask might work, but that the Goblin shouldn't be portrayed by a mask or a physical transformation, but by the actor's performance.
with some subtle help from fx, of course. but the real Goblin is that, to me.
how do you find an actor like that tho? but I've seen people go from one face to a whole different person once a certain head takes over. and it's scary. it feels like you're tripping balls off and really their bones seem to be different once they do this. it's not bones but it's all your face muscles.
and that's really what the Ultimate Goblin transformation is trying to convey to us in an exaggerated and fittingly dramatic way. and it works in it's way for the comics.
but in a movie, the transformation would have to be way way less silly and less about the body becoming huge and more about the actor's performance. so much so that I think it basically comes down to what I'm saying anyways. even if they go with a physical transformation, why would you want that to overshadow the person playing the role? and any straight adaptation of Ultimate Goblin is going to do that.
plus another thing about 616 Goblin that is just perfect, is that he's wearing a costume. psychologically, this obivously says a lot about him and it is something that I feel is fundamental in him. he's the dirty side. and you could say Ultimate Goblin is a dirty side too, but it's a dirty side of brute power, an over projection of Norman's straight side. where the mask moves it to a dirty side of shadow and repression.
I guess thinking of it like this, it really has more to do with whether you want the Goblin somewhat self aware or not. cuz each version can't be used in the other's headspace. why would a self aware Goblin wear a mask, and an unaware Ultimate Goblin is really just more like the Hulk, Mr Hyde or something.
and actually looked at this way, I think that Webb's universe is only gonna make sense with a relatively self aware Goblin and that probably means we are gonna be seeing a physical transformation to some degree.
it makes a lot more sense to me when i look at it like that.
