The Dark Knight Rises How Will The OSCARS effect Batman 3????

[GregComicFan]

Hi,

Well, Hugh Jackman during his opening musical poked fun at the fact that The Dark Knight wasn't nominated for best picture. With that said, it's obvious most people are aware of the snub and aware of the fact that The Dark Knight was a major critical and financial smash hit, an awards contender (at the Oscars, Globes, Directors/Producers Guild, etc.).... now that the Oscars is over and Heath Ledger won Best Supporting Actor, how will all the award recognition effect the production of Batman 3?

Hollywood Actors/Actresses will now look at Nolan's franchise as a "Award Generator"... meaning, for example, maybe they can play The Riddler and get a best supporting actor nod....or maybe Batman 3 will get nominated for Best Picture in 2011 and they can be attached to that film....

So what do you think?

-I think the casting of Batman 3 is CLEARLY going to reflect TALENTED-ACTORS... I don't mean "big names" but I do mean the acting caliber of Batman 3 is going to blow BB, TDK, Iron Man, and Iron Man 2 out of the water (the Iron Man film franchise seems to be emulating what Nolan started by having a top-rate cast for a superhero movie)....

How else will the award recognition effect the production of Batman 3?

NOTE: Let's assume there is NO JOKER RECAST. Let's assume there are ALL NEW VILLAINS IN BATMAN 3.

 

[Two-Face]

I don't think oscars effect third movie good or bad, Nolan will get best actors/actress he wants.

 

[[A]]

Oscars shouldn't affect any movie.

 

[union_jak]

The majority of the previous Batman movies were nominated for Academy Awards. Nominations should be recognition enough, if the Oscars matter to you. Thing is, awards haven't affected any of the Batman movies, they've always had a decent cast.

 

[Soundwave88]

Oscars shouldn't affect any movie.

I couldn't agree with you more!

 

[TheScarecrow]

Honestly, I think they will. WB and Nolan came so close this year. I don't think it will be the only factor in changing it, but there will be changes -

- Expect a release date later in the year. Not only is Summer 2011 way too crowded but a later release will mean the huge buzz that existed around TDK will exist around BB3 as the award shows are selecting nominees.
- Expect a better cast. I know 'Nolan casts who he wants' - well, not all the time. If Nolan got who he wanted first go for every role Daniel Day Lewis or Viggo Mortensen would have played Ra's Al Ghul, Matt Damon would have played Dent, Anthony Hopkins would have been Alfred and Chris Cooper would have been Gordon. Whether or not that would have been a better cast (I tend to think that all except Lewis and perhaps Hopkins would have been downgrades). The talk that everyone wants to be in Nolan's Batman movies was exactly that - talk. He got turned down plenty of times - especially with Begins.
-Expect it to be a more interesting film. It won't have a linear storyline. The editing will not be as simple as it was in TDK. The cinematography will be more risky. The effects will be amplified. The script will be more complicated. There'll be characters with heavy makeup (like The Penguin, or Black Mask). Although I think this will have more to do with Nolan than the Oscars.

It's not going to be Oscar-bait but I'm expecting both Nolan and WB to make it more sophisticated.

 

[Silverglade]

After making a billion dollars, Warner will offer Nolan ANYTHING to make him come back. A side realization for Warner - they know Bale, Freeman and Caine have said they may not come back if Nolan is not the director. Nolan is the one with the power now. And Warner will not make a decision or push for anything until Nolan responds... even waiting years for it. It's nice for Nolan, not so nice for Favreau as he is being bullied and rushed by Marvel. See the contrast?

 

[TheScarecrow]

I have a feeling Iron Man II will not be a good movie.
- It's rushed (just over a year until the movie will need to be done and the script and casting haven't been completed).
- Marvel seems to be doing it as cheap as they can.
- It's lost a lot of actual cast members and potential cast members.
- It seems to be suffering from bloated sequel syndrome. Unless a movie with Iron Man, War Machine, The Black Widow, Justin Hammer, Whiplash or The Crymson Dynamo isn't 'too much'.

Overall, I think the only good point looks to be Downey Jr.

 

[GregComicFan]

Honestly, I think they will. WB and Nolan came so close this year. I don't think it will be the only factor in changing it, but there will be changes -

- Expect a release date later in the year. Not only is Summer 2011 way too crowded but a later release will mean the huge buzz that existed around TDK will exist around BB3 as the award shows are selecting nominees.
- Expect a better cast. I know 'Nolan casts who he wants' - well, not all the time. If Nolan got who he wanted first go for every role Daniel Day Lewis or Viggo Mortensen would have played Ra's Al Ghul, Matt Damon would have played Dent, Anthony Hopkins would have been Alfred and Chris Cooper would have been Gordon. Whether or not that would have been a better cast (I tend to think that all except Lewis and perhaps Hopkins would have been downgrades). The talk that everyone wants to be in Nolan's Batman movies was exactly that - talk. He got turned down plenty of times - especially with Begins.
-Expect it to be a more interesting film. It won't have a linear storyline. The editing will not be as simple as it was in TDK. The cinematography will be more risky. The effects will be amplified. The script will be more complicated. There'll be characters with heavy makeup (like The Penguin, or Black Mask). Although I think this will have more to do with Nolan than the Oscars.

It's not going to be Oscar-bait but I'm expecting both Nolan and WB to make it more sophisticated.

I agree.

See, I think all the Oscar/award recognition WILL effect Batman 3 in a positive way.... I think big name talent will be MUCH EASIER to persuade to take part in the role of anybody in Batman 3.... for example... I bet Phillip Seymour Hoffman would of said "No" if asked to play the Penguin in Batman Begins... but seriously, even if his answer is still "no" today... the thought process would be entirely different now that The Dark Knight generated such hype, buzz, billions of dollars, recognition, respect, rewards, etc.

I also think technically the movie will push the envelope. We all watched as The Dark Knight was nominated in visual effects, sound, editing, cinematography.... so I would assume all those departments, with Batman 3, are going to want to go buck-wild, nuts, and explode in creativity and limitless imagination with Batman 3 in order to get nominated again.....

I agree with the above post too.... Batman 3 is going to strive to be MORE sophisticated, MORE human drama, MORE character driven, MORE thickly plotted/non-linear/complex.... and I think the recognition TDK received is what is going to drive this engine into full speed. The Oscars DO matter!

Think about it... if TDK had crashed and burned, nobody would care....

but TDK was amazing, so now people are going to want to top it.

I think the Oscars/Globes/Director/Producer Guild highlighting TDK are going to help make Batman 3 the most character-driven, deeply rich, and textured Batman films ever made... and probably ever made.... ever.....

Greg

 

[Anita18]

Hollywood Actors/Actresses will now look at Nolan's franchise as a "Award Generator"... meaning, for example, maybe they can play The Riddler and get a best supporting actor nod....or maybe Batman 3 will get nominated for Best Picture in 2011 and they can be attached to that film....

LOL. Everyone knows that if you want to get an Oscar, you get cast in a Harvey Weinstein movie.

But I think TDK getting such recognition in the Oscar race and especially box office, is going to give this franchise (and Nolan) even more street cred in terms of talent they can attract.

And although Gary Oldman and Aaron Eckhart are still fairly small "indie" actors, I honestly can't see TDK without them. So Nolan is probably better off casting the way he has been anyway.

 

[TheBatman072]

LOL. Everyone knows that if you want to get an Oscar, you get cast in a Harvey Weinstein movie.

But I think TDK getting such recognition in the Oscar race and especially box office, is going to give this franchise (and Nolan) even more street cred in terms of talent they can attract.

And although Gary Oldman and Aaron Eckhart are still fairly small "indie" actors, I honestly can't see TDK without them. So Nolan is probably better off casting the way he has been anyway.

I like this answer.

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

I sincerely hope the oscars have no effect on Batman 3. Nolan has done just fine so far with casting, storylines, and the like before this oscar buzz. I don't want to see a bunch of over inflated egos like Angelina Jolie, or Phillip Seymour Hoffman. They could easily ruin the movie. So I hope the parasites that infest Hollywood stay the hell away, and Nolan does as he has always done and casts good, solid, talented(and humble) actors in this next film.

 

[Crook]

Someone's a bit delusional. Parasites with inflated egos who infest Hollywood? Dramatic, much?

I suppose you have some good examples to support that hyperbole.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Ummm...Batman Begins and TDK have some of the strongest casts of any movies to come out in the last 4 years. Oscars be damned, I really think casting is not an issue. When the likes of Liam Neeson, Michael Caine, and Gary Oldman are second choices for their roles, I'd say Nolan settles for nothing but the best when he casts his movies. He is without doubt one of the best directors in the world and everyone who works with him has nothing but superlatives to describe him both as a person and manager on the set. He's gained a hell of a good reputation among actors in a short time period.

 

[bgates87]

If the Oscars affect this movie at all it could only be in a bad way, because that would mean the producers were more worried about winning awards than making a great movie. A better question would be, how will TDK and this movie affect the Oscars? Will comic book films and genre films in general finally start to receive more respect from the AMPAS?

Edit: It would be funny if there was a scene in this movie where for some reason the Academy Awards are being held in Gotham City and a huge fire breaks out but Batman ignores it to go get a cat out of a tree or something. Not going to happen obviously but I would love it.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I sincerely hope the oscars have no effect on Batman 3. Nolan has done just fine so far with casting, storylines, and the like before this oscar buzz. I don't want to see a bunch of over inflated egos like Angelina Jolie, or Phillip Seymour Hoffman. They could easily ruin the movie. So I hope the parasites that infest Hollywood stay the hell away, and Nolan does as he has always done and casts good, solid, talented(and humble) actors in this next film.

I agree with your comment on Jolie. I don't want her anywhere near Batman 3. But PSH is an amazing actor. I'd love to see him in a Batman movie. I strongly disagree with calling him a parasite with an inflated ego.

 

[The Mighty Wind]

Only effect it will have is that it will probably make certain actors and actresses more open to the idea of appearing in the movie. Matt Damon, for instance, turned down the role of Harvey Dent in TDK, but now that the next Batman film will be taken much more seriously, you'd probably be much more likely to see that sort of star take a role.

 

[jmc]

Two possibilities, first I can see a possible release date change. If Batman 3 is as good (or better) than TDK I'll put money on WB gambling on a Nov/Dec release change to coincide with the award season. The other is I'm betting on more higher quality actors trying to get parts in the film knowing the quality of the two previous installments. Other than that, it'll be business as usual, Nolan will just go about directing the movie as though TDK Oscar buzz never happened.

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

Someone's a bit delusional. Parasites with inflated egos who infest Hollywood? Dramatic, much?

I suppose you have some good examples to support that hyperbole.

Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean i'm delusional, as a matter of fact it seems you are the one that is suffering delusions. But I forget, you like Angelina Jolie. No, I just want good actors for this next Batman film. Oscars are bound to give some of these people thoughts about trying out for the next one, but I hope Nolan will keep a good head about it, and go for lesser known talent, such as Jackie Earl Haley or Crispin Glover. Hell I'd kill to see Crispin Glover in a Batman film. He'd make the perfect villain. This film doesn't need overinflated egos, as I said before, it has ruined films in the past, and it could do the same here.

 

[Crook]

Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean i'm delusional, as a matter of fact it seems you are the one that is suffering delusions.

As a matter of fact? Based....on? You're the one making outlandish and sweeping statements.

But I forget, you like Angelina Jolie.

Yeah. I also like PSH. Ditto for Depp. What is your point?

No, I just want good actors for this next Batman film. Oscars are bound to give some of these people thoughts about trying out for the next one, but I hope Nolan will keep a good head about it, and go for lesser known talent, such as Jackie Earl Haley or Crispin Glover. Hell I'd kill to see Crispin Glover in a Batman film. He'd make the perfect villain. This film doesn't need overinflated egos, as I said before, it has ruined films in the past, and it could do the same here.

Thank you. Thank you for invalidating your entire post here. Not only have you chosen a subpar actor that can't even compete with either Jolie or Hoffman (but please, try to prove me wrong). But you've gone for the exact actor with the single flaw that you accuse other actors of! How can you even support Glover when he was infamous for having a gigantic ego behind-the-scenes? Especially with that whole BTTF fiasco? That's common knowledge.

Holy lord. And you have the gall to go after a humanitarian and a humble veteran, both with no previous signs of any trouble on the set. Wow.

 

[antmanx68]

As others have already said, Nolan does not get "whoever he wants". In addition to the names mentioned, I remember Kurt Russell (Gordon) turning down his role in Begins as well as Russell Crowe (Ducard/Ra's). Nolan doesn't always want "lesser known, talented actors" in these movies, he has to settle for them in some cases even though they do a fantastic job. With this comic book movie being so prominent at the Oscars, its going to make big names and more importantly their agents take notice making it a bit easier for "Nolan to get whoever he wants", which should ultimately make for a better movie.

You got Angelina Jolie sitting in the first row getting teary eyed as Heath won best supporting actor, during a ceremony (the biggest night for the movie industry) where TDK is really being favored, and you're telling me that won't affect her decision IF she's offered a role in the next one?

 

[namtaB]

As others have already said, Nolan does not get "whoever he wants". In addition to the names mentioned, I remember Kurt Russell (Gordon) turning down his role in Begins as well as Russell Crowe (Ducard/Ra's). Nolan doesn't always want "lesser known, talented actors" in these movies, he has to settle for them in some cases even though they do a fantastic job. With this comic book movie being so prominent at the Oscars, its going to make big names and more importantly their agents take notice making it a bit easier for "Nolan to get whoever he wants", which should ultimately make for a better movie.

You got Angelina Jolie sitting in the first row getting teary eyed as Heath won best supporting actor, during a ceremony (the biggest night for the movie industry) where TDK is really being favored, and you're telling me that won't affect her decision IF she's offered a role in the next one?

It doesn't mean a thing. Its as if some of you guys have never heard of a concept called 'strategy' before. Sometimes these Hollywood actors won't want a role at first blush and need some enticement. For instance, Nicholson was offered the Joker at first and he said no. Then the producers went to Robin Williams and once Nicholson heard this he wanted the role.

This business more than any other is all about wheeling and dealing. Its not as clean cut as "X turned down the role" so that actor must have been the director's first choice. More often than not it was all a ploy to provoke another actor or agent into showing some interest in the part and/or making some concessions to get the part.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

I hope it opens up comic book films to a whole knew type of actors, the great actors. The likes of

Marlon Brando
Gene Hackman
Jack Nicolson
Tommy Lee Jones
Michelle Pheiffer
Jim Carrey
Uma Thurman
Kevin Spacey
Ian McKillen
Willem Defoe
Alfred Molina
Thomas Hayden Church
Gary Oldman
Morgan Freeman

...oh wait

 

[Laderlappen]

The third movie will probably not be worthy of a nomination unless that year is really lame. How could Batman3's cast possibly blow TDK's cast out of the water?

 

[scifiwolf]

I see it being extremely hard for anyone else to be nominated for the next Bat-film. Heath was trying to portray the character as honestly and justly as possible. He wasn't shooting for the moon, which is quite often when performances are at their best. Yes, Nolan will probably get whomever he wants, barring schedule issues. And if there are any nominations for the next film in the big categories, I see them being in picture, director, and writing, not acting. If the script is just right, and Bruce really becomes the focus, then perhaps Bale might score a nod. If we get another supporting nom, I'm willing to bet it'll be for Gary Oldman. But both of those would be long shots.



*Of course, this is all hypothetical conjecture. I'm assuming that the third film captures the same lightning in a bottle that TDK. All this depends on the script and the box office.