The Dark Knight Rises How Will The OSCARS effect Batman 3????

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I hope it opens up comic book films to a whole knew type of actors, the great actors. The likes of

Marlon Brando
Gene Hackman
Jack Nicolson
Tommy Lee Jones
Michelle Pheiffer
Jim Carrey
Uma Thurman
Kevin Spacey
Ian McKillen
Willem Defoe
Alfred Molina
Thomas Hayden Church
Gary Oldman
Morgan Freeman

...oh wait

The ones that I have highlighted in bold are the ones who arguably wasted their respective roles. Willem Dafoe is debatable.

This shows that you can get the best actors in the business and they can turn in mediocre performances (though it is sometimes the fault of the director).

The Oscars buzz of The Dark Knight may get more ''respected'' actors jumping for a role in Batman 3... that does not say it will make the movie better.

 

[scifiwolf]

Those wasted roles weren't the fault of the actors, though. Their performances can all be attributed to poducers and directors. I will, however, disagree on Spacey. There were a few moments, but his role wasn't a total waste.

 

[Crook]

The third movie will probably not be worthy of a nomination unless that year is really lame. How could Batman3's cast possibly blow TDK's cast out of the water?

It doesn't really have to. TDK raised the bar so high, that you can only go so far to exceed it. Anything that's even on par, is more than satisfactory

 

[Anjow1060]

I think The Oscars will affect B3 in a sense that we'll start hearing about it.

The Oscar for ledger was, forgive the expression, the final nail in the coffin for TDK.
The TDK hoopla is over. It's done. TDK is now just a movie in the past. It's time we can start moving forward.

- Jow

 

[Laderlappen]

It doesn't really have to. TDK raised the bar so high, that you can only go so far to exceed it. Anything that's even on par, is more than satisfactory

Are you replying to me saying the cast cant be better? Because that was only a reply from me to the OP who said the cast of B3 would blow TDK's cast out of the water.

 

[Crook]

I'm saying it doesn't have to blow TDK's cast outta the water. At the same time, it could be better. Just not *that* much better.

 

[Laderlappen]

I agree with you. But I dont see it being better.

 

[Badabing45]

Heath winning Best Supporting Actor raises the bar. I think a lot of actors live in a bubble, and they don't the potential in taking the role of iconic characters. DarkKnight90 brings up a good point in that a lot of these actors take comic book roles just for the big paycheck. They just let the costume work for them. Because Ledger won, maybe they realize there could be a lot of value in bringing their best interpretation and putting their stamp on such well known characters.

As far as awards go, Jackman's opening performance at the show acknowledges that the Academy made a mistake by snubbing The Dark Knight. I think Warner Bros. realizes this, and if they see the dailies and think they have a shot at getting a nomination with Batman 3, they take different steps as far as the marketing goes, releasing it in October or November instead of July, pushing it as an awards contender right from the start instead of as a pure blockbuster action popcorn movie, involving Academy members along with fans with all the viral aspects of the marketing.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I agree with you. But I dont see it being better.

Maggie G's performance was lame. Better than Holmes, but still lame. I think it might have just been poor writing for the character more than anything else. Speaking of which, I think the dialogue is something that can definitely be improved. The only character they've nailed the dialogue for so far in this series is the Joker. There wasn't a single line from him that felt out of place. I also feel they need to shorten the movie. I think TDK very well could have been nominated for Best Picture, Director, and Screenplay if they had ended the movie with the Joker hanging out of the cop car. Half of the climax was great (Gordon/Dent/Batman). The other half dragged on and felt like a cliche (ferry boats/SWAT fight).

 

[redfirebird2008]

Heath winning Best Supporting Actor raises the bar. I think a lot of actors live in a bubble, and they don't the potential in taking the role of iconic characters. DarkKnight90 brings up a good point in that a lot of these actors take comic book roles just for the big paycheck. They just let the costume work for them. Because Ledger won, maybe they realize there could be a lot of value in bringing their best interpretation and putting their stamp on such well known characters.

As far as awards go, Jackman's opening performance at the show acknowledges that the Academy made a mistake by snubbing The Dark Knight. I think Warner Bros. realizes this, and if they see the dailies and think they have a shot at getting a nomination with Batman 3, they take different steps as far as the marketing goes, releasing it in October or November instead of July, pushing it as an awards contender right from the start instead of as a pure blockbuster action popcorn movie, involving Academy members along with fans with all the viral aspects of the marketing.

1. Good luck to anyone trying to get nominated in a role other than the Joker. The Joker is just about as Oscar-baity as you can get with comic book villains. Most of them have superpowers that are so over the top that the Academy would never take them seriously. The Joker can be portrayed as a fairly realistic terrorist as he was in TDK. The character is also just as iconic as the big 3 superheros.

2. The Academy is busy working on their jobs in the industry. They barely have time to watch the Oscar-bait movies that are sent to them in DVD screener form, let alone paying attention to viral marketing for a superhero sequel.

 

[Laderlappen]

Maggie G's performance was lame. Better than Holmes, but still lame. I think it might have just been poor writing for the character more than anything else. Speaking of which, I think the dialogue is something that can definitely be improved. The only character they've nailed the dialogue for so far in this series is the Joker. There wasn't a single line from him that felt out of place. I also feel they need to shorten the movie. I think TDK very well could have been nominated for Best Picture, Director, and Screenplay if they had ended the movie with the Joker hanging out of the cop car. Half of the climax was great (Gordon/Dent/Batman). The other half dragged on and felt like a cliche (ferry boats/SWAT fight).

Maggie was alright, but it was a bad character. If we're talking about overall acing in the movie, Batman 3 will definetly NOT be better than TDK.

 

[Anjow1060]

Maggie was alright, but it was a bad character. If we're talking about overall acing in the movie, Batman 3 will definetly NOT be better than TDK.

*rewind to 2 years ago*

If we're talking about overall acing in the movie, Batman 3 (Heath Ledger) will definetly NOT be better than TDK (Jack Nicholson).

Sorry, but anything is possible. We may very well see a riddler or catwoman that makes the Joker boring. (I doubt it - but it's possible. Or at the very least, likely someone will match it).

- Jow

 

[TheVileOne]

Regardless of what you think of awards, beforehand a comic book movie never won an Oscar for an acting performance.

I think the effect of comic book movies as a whole is that we can't make excuses for mediocrity anymore and we can't accept the mediocrity of 20th Century Fox.

 

[Two-Face]

I like Kevin Spacey, I wanted him in a Batman movie but damn he is Lex Luthor.

 

[Anita18]

Two possibilities, first I can see a possible release date change. If Batman 3 is as good (or better) than TDK I'll put money on WB gambling on a Nov/Dec release change to coincide with the award season. The other is I'm betting on more higher quality actors trying to get parts in the film knowing the quality of the two previous installments. Other than that, it'll be business as usual, Nolan will just go about directing the movie as though TDK Oscar buzz never happened.

I don't think they'll bother. Batman should never be Oscar bait (I certainly hope they would never stoop that low), plus they'll have more of a shot breaking box office records during the summer.

 

[hatebox]

I don't think it'll make much difference at all - Nolan can already get great actors.

The box office will have more of an effect. Who'd want to turn down a part in a critically acclaimed film that is almost certain to be the biggest of the year?

 

[jmc]

I don't think they'll bother. Batman should never be Oscar bait (I certainly hope they would never stoop that low), plus they'll have more of a shot breaking box office records during the summer.

Why shouldn't it if it's good enough? Yes, in a fair world movies throughout all the year are recognized, but it's not an even playing field. If it's only about money, if the same cast and crew return and given the previous movie grossed a billion dollars you could release Batman 3 on Christmas Day and it will still make a motza, I don't quite get this whole 'it has to be released in June/July thing' in order to make money, LOTR did it, Harry Potter did it, Batman 3 can do it.

 

[jmc]

Regardless of what you think of awards, beforehand a comic book movie never won an Oscar for an acting performance.

I think the effect of comic book movies as a whole is that we can't make excuses for mediocrity anymore and we can't accept the mediocrity of 20th Century Fox.

Absolutely, for years comic adaptations were treated like they were for children, because the notion still exists that comic books are for children, with the exception of a couple of movies. After BB set the bench mark people started to realise that there was more to the characters than flashy effects and cool action sequences.

 

[TheVileOne]

It wasn't just Batman Begins though.

And then 20th Century Fox constantly makes moves to set them back. The Dark Knight has totally obliterated the bar.

You can't just make this LCD ****. You need to make the top notch stuff and you will get the big rewards.

 

[GregComicFan]

So far word of mouth and reviews from other countries are saying THE WATCHMEN also raises the bar and makes comicbook movies much more respectable and high-class cinema... so that helps Batman 3 too.

 

[GregComicFan]

1. Good luck to anyone trying to get nominated in a role other than the Joker. The Joker is just about as Oscar-baity as you can get with comic book villains. Most of them have superpowers that are so over the top that the Academy would never take them seriously. The Joker can be portrayed as a fairly realistic terrorist as he was in TDK. The character is also just as iconic as the big 3 superheros.

Eeeee... I disagree. I think Catwoman, if written well, can be a FANTASTIC and equally intriguing role. I also think The Riddler, though more difficult, can be as well. Think Michael Douglas in WALL STREET... power hungry, ego-driven, but add to that superintellect and he commits crimes as well using riddles and stuff. I think Batman's rogues gallery, outside of just the Joker, and if written well, have the potential to be Oscar worthy roles.

 

[blueblazer2]

So far word of mouth and reviews from other countries are saying THE WATCHMEN also raises the bar and makes comicbook movies much more respectable and high-class cinema... so that helps Batman 3 too.

I heard the watchmen was getting mix reviews

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29368901/

 

[Anita18]

Why shouldn't it if it's good enough? Yes, in a fair world movies throughout all the year are recognized, but it's not an even playing field. If it's only about money, if the same cast and crew return and given the previous movie grossed a billion dollars you could release Batman 3 on Christmas Day and it will still make a motza, I don't quite get this whole 'it has to be released in June/July thing' in order to make money, LOTR did it, Harry Potter did it, Batman 3 can do it.

Fantasy can do well in winter, and has been proven to do well over the winter, but as Prince Caspian painfully learned last summer, changing around release seasons doesn't always work.

I don't recall a comic book superhero film ever coming out during the fall/winter. It's always been a summer thing, and it really feels like a summer sort of thing. Kids are out of school, it's a good time to go to the movies and see some explosions.

 

[General Vulcun]

I think the Oscars will affect Batman 3, but in a way that's out of it's control.

After TDK's performance during award season this year, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot more actors start reaching out to Nolan than Nolan reaching out to them. Remember Robin Williams during TDK pre-production, reaching out to Nolan for a role? I bet it'll be just like that this time around.

Not only that, but rather than TDK having to prove itself last year, I think the Academy will be more willing to seek out in 2011, no matter what it's release date will be.

Speaking of release dates, they'll probably just pick the one that'll most likely give B3 a huge run at the box office. If that means a November/December release, then so be it.

 

[Sentinel X]

^^Robin Williams and Christopher Nolan are probably friends (they worked with each other in insomnia) * I hope Chris conciders him for The Riddler*

I can only see it helping the film for the better:

- A-listers would be open to playing roles instead of going "eww, comic book movie"
- People would make sure to give their best performance knowing that they will get oscar buzz if they do a good job
- Nolan and crew will have some more motivation to do a great movie (Im sure they already did...but the more motivation the better)