The Dark Knight Rises Hugo Strange

[Micah12345]

Daniel Day-Lewis, Daniel Day-Lewis, and Daniel Day-Lewis star in

THE NUTTY PROFESSOR 3

 

[TheBatman072]

Daniel Day Lewis for Catwoman.

He's got the eyes for it.

 

[Dark Knight]

Robin Williams should be Hugo Strange if that's the character in the next movie. He is enough of a leading man to bring the less-than-popular villain to the screen with dimension and presence. He has the talent to ensure he will not flounder in the reign of Heath's last leading performance. Imagine: Michael Cain, Morgan Freeman, and Robin Williams as our eldest actors in the cast! If you think he isn't serious enough for the role, just take a look at What Dreams May Come and Good Will Hunting. Please Nolans! If you're using Hugo, have the same thought as me. Its too good of a dream not to come true!

Robin Williams performances in Insomnia, One Hour Photo, and Death To Smoochie are roles that show me he would be a wicked and twisted Dr. Hugo Strange.

The man has amazing range and when he plays darker, twisted and more serious roles, is when he is at the top of his game IMO.

The comedies are a walk in the park for him.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

It's an inarguable fact that Catwoman is one of the, if not, THE most grounded character in the mythos.

No, it's your opinion. Sorry.

using the "silly" argument is one of the most hypocritical statements I've ever read from any sort of batfan. QUOTE]

I disagree that it's hypocritical. In contrast to Batman, she IS silly. As a child Bruce Wayne was terrified of bats and vows to fight crime because of the murder of his parents before his eyes. It's actually the complete opposite of silly. It's dramatic and powerful. What? Selina Kyle, after a blow to the head decides to dress up like a cat? Nothing powerful there. The Joker, Riddler, Two-face all fascinating characters that have richness and menace behind them. Catwoman may have been developed over the years but she was basically put in by Kane as a love interest and she simply doesen't add up to more than a hot babe in cat suit. Like I said before, I don't hate her. I just think she, along with Penguin, is just not very interesting.

 

[PreK]

I disagree that it's hypocritical. In contrast to Batman, she IS silly. As a child Bruce Wayne was terrified of bats and vows to fight crime because of the murder of his parents before his eyes. It's actually the complete opposite of silly. It's dramatic and powerful.

You are conveniently picking and choosing elements of Bruce's story to look at. Yes, the tragedy of his parents, his stolen childhood youth, the mental scarring, entire remodeling of his perspective on injustice, etc etc. are all great dramatic foundations for the character. This fails to address the fact that he wears a superhero outfit, with a large blanket for a cape, a fully covered mask with bat-ears, a large emblem on his chest, AND he calls himself Batman.

Compare that to a thief who wears a minimalist outfit, with goggles, and protruding ears on top of her headgear. Objective eyes would highly dictate Selena is actually the one that doesn't look like a moron.

What? Selina Kyle, after a blow to the head decides to dress up like a cat? Nothing powerful there.

Really? It never crossed your mind that someone in the field of cat-burglary might want to embrace the associated imagery and incorporate it into their gear? Ever hear of symbolism? Everyone takes part in it, it can be a solo act, chances are you've done it yourself very recently. Selena is having fun with her occupation. Taking on the cat moniker is for her own amusement and owning her title. Furthermore --

Does she have whiskers? A tail? Does she purr? I want you to tell me precisely what part of her look resembles a cat. I see a completely job-appropriate outfit with cat-ears. That is wholly different from what you're suggesting.

Catwoman may have been developed over the years but she was basically put in by Kane as a love interest and she simply doesen't add up to more than a hot babe in cat suit.

If a non-DC/Batman fan were to tell you: Batman may have been developed over the years, but he was basically created by Kane and Finger as a cash-in followup to 1938s Superman. He simply doesn't add up to more than a troubled rich boy in bat pajamas.

Whatever thoughts and feelings you have in response to that statement... it is likely exactly what I had when I read your post.

EDIT: If you respond to this, please take it to the Catwoman thread. I just realize we are completely OT and don't wish to derail it any further.

Back on-topic:

He doesn't strike me as the kind of actor that would want to play such similar characters back-to-back. I can't see him in the role now that I think about it. I am really pumped about that Cronenberg film though.

I wouldn't call Freud and Strange similar characters at all. They're both psychologists, but the similarities stop there. Anyway he's a fantastic actor and the franchise would be lucky to have him. I just don't think he'd be the appropriate type to close the series. His acting style is more nuanced and reserved. The product almost always results in good-to-great performances, but for me it also prevents from watching something memorable.

That would be the difference in nabbing him, versus Daniel Day Lewis.

 

[B@tfan2289]

How about this character ?

 

[Micah12345]

I can't think of a less threatening actor. Come on now, this isn't a spoof movie.


I hope.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

"You are conveniently picking and choosing elements of Bruce's story to look at."

No, I'm not. It's simply the basic elements of his origin that I pointed out and as you can tell, there's nothing "convenient" about his origin.

"Yes, the tragedy of his parents, his stolen childhood youth, the mental scarring, entire remodeling of his perspective on injustice, etc etc. are all great dramatic foundations for the character. This fails to address the fact that he wears a superhero outfit, with a large blanket for a cape, a fully covered mask with bat-ears, a large emblem on his chest, AND he calls himself Batman."

I think it addresses pretty clearly why he dresses up like a bat and fights crime. Can you explain how it doesen't? Are you missing something? He uses the thing that he feared to strike fear into criminals. The very thing that turned him into Batman. You know all this stuff already. I don't need to explain it to you but when you say "the tragedy of his parents, his stolen childhood youth, the mental scarring, entire remodeling of his perspective on injustice" doesen't address his reason for being Batman, looking like a bat and fighting crime? I can't help but think you are missing the point. It is perfectly explained and that's what makes the character endure. It's what makes him great. So, you're comparing that to the boring and senseless origin of Catwoman does not hold up. No matter how you slice it. We can stop now as we are off topic but I appreciate you trying to get the last word in.

 

[BatFan88]

IF Strange is in it.....then I hope Nolan and Emma look at Viggo Mortensen or Robin Williams to play him.

Robin Williams,that would be the actor that has to play strange.

 

[RustyCage]

@ PreK and KILLING JOKER:

You guys are both cherrypicking specific examples of the character for your own convenience. KJ is referencing Tim Burton's Catwoman origin in order to belittle her all-around (which doesn't work, by the way), and PreK, you're focusing on the newer Catwoman that wears goggles and doesn't have a tail or purr.

There have been iterations of the character to contradict both of you guys' arguments. She's been camp and ridiculous and she's been grounded and psychologically interesting. Which do you figure Nolan would go for, KJ? That's what this is about.

 

[The Guard]

What? Selina Kyle, after a blow to the head decides to dress up like a cat? Nothing powerful there.

As someone pointed out, this is Burton's Catwoman (And a bit of the Silver Age one), and even then, this is hardly all there is to Burton's Catwoman.

 

[PreK]

PreK, you're focusing on the newer Catwoman that wears goggles and doesn't have a tail or purr.

Silly me for not referencing an interpretation that's been irrelevant for over a decade.

She's been camp and ridiculous and she's been grounded and psychologically interesting. Which do you figure Nolan would go for, KJ? That's what this is about.

Yes, that is the crux of the whole debate. The fact that it is there should effectively end all questions regarding her depth.

 

[RustyCage]

Silly me for not referencing an interpretation that's been irrelevant for over a decade.

That's probably the most effective point you could make in the argument. Or, well, I'd say so if the below weren't even more effective:

Yes, that is the crux of the whole debate. The fact that it is there should effectively end all questions regarding her depth.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I can't think of a less threatening actor. Come on now, this isn't a spoof movie.

I don't want Christopher Lloyd for Hugo Strange. But to be fair, Judge Doom was TERRIFYING. Many childhoods were left traumatised by that character.

"And I talked....like....THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS!"

 

[Zooks]

John Lithgow.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

@ PreK and KILLING JOKER:

You guys are both cherrypicking specific examples of the character for your own convenience. KJ is referencing Tim Burton's Catwoman origin in order to belittle her all-around (which doesn't work, by the way), and PreK, you're focusing on the newer Catwoman that wears goggles and doesn't have a tail or purr.

There have been iterations of the character to contradict both of you guys' arguments. She's been camp and ridiculous and she's been grounded and psychologically interesting. Which do you figure Nolan would go for, KJ? That's what this is about.

My whole point is that I don't think Nolan will go with her. For the same reasons that myself and others believe. She is not a very interesting character. It's easier to make a woman that dresses like a cat interesting in a comic book. On the big screen, it needs to be done in a more fantastical setting. This really is a tired argument and I'm done with it. I'll say this for the final time. I don't hate the character but I'd rather see the story go somewhere else. The idea of Catwoman does nothing for me. Especially in the context on the first two Nolan films. Could Nolan use her? Of course but I will be really shocked if he does. And you can bet that I'll see it opening night. But that doesen't change my opinion.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

Oh, one more thing.

KJ is referencing Tim Burton's Catwoman origin in order to belittle her all-around (which doesn't work, by the way.


No, I wasn't referencing "Returns" at all. You're assuming. It was in Batman #62 in December of 1950 that explained Catwoman's origin for the first time.

"(after a blow to the head jogged her memory) is an amnesiac flight attendant who had turned to crime after suffering a prior blow to the head during a plane crash she survived"

I was refering to that. So spin it if you want to, it's still a silly origin.

 

[RustyCage]

Oh, one more thing.

KJ is referencing Tim Burton's Catwoman origin in order to belittle her all-around (which doesn't work, by the way.


No, I wasn't referencing "Returns" at all. You're assuming. It was in Batman #62 in December of 1950 that explained Catwoman's origin for the first time.

"(after a blow to the head jogged her memory) is an amnesiac flight attendant who had turned to crime after suffering a prior blow to the head during a plane crash she survived"

I was refering to that. So spin it if you want to, it's still a silly origin.

Regardless of which of the two you were referencing, this still supports my point. You're focusing on one of many iterations of the character deliberately as if it's the only one that exists, and that's simply not true.

Catwoman has been revamped a lot, just like Batman has. Ignoring that and pretending that only the 'silly elements' exist is dishonest.

 

[RustyCage]

My whole point is that I don't think Nolan will go with her. For the same reasons that myself and others believe.

And these reasons are, frankly, hokey and unsustainable in that the character has many iterations to play off of and reinterpret/expand upon in any fashion Nolan wishes. He's altered other characters to fit into his vision just fine, and there's plenty of good material there, whether you willfully ignore it or not.

Also, you ignored the context of my question.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

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[RustyCage]

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I saw that.

 

[MechaOrga]

it would be kinda cool if they go with the strange rendition that wants to eventually kill batman and take his place...

for that we need an actor who can physically jump in the costume and not look super silly...

williams is a no and unless we go back in time and snatch day lewis from the Mohicans set, i don't see that either (but both are great actors and could place the scientist version)

Hardy fit a great "Strange" casting because 1) Nolan loves de-aging batman's villains 2) Hardy is in the magic age range Nolan loves to cast from

Hardy with a Lincoln beard and modern glasses and buff would make an awesome Strange (as long as he shaves the beard for when he's in the batsuit...a bearded batman would look tooo funny and too easy for the cops to pick out for the climatic Batman vs Batman scene!)

 

[Dark Knight]

Can any one of you talented manippers come up with a good manip of Robin Williams as Hugo Strange or Penguin?

I recommend using some images of him from Insomnia, One Hour Photo and Good Will Hunting as your base if possible.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

If you guys are referring to first origins to talk down about Catwoman, all Bruce Wayne's first origin had was him sitting at his desk thinking and looking at a bat outside. The Batman of Nolan's films was heavily influenced by Year One. There is also a Year One origin for Catwoman which is more interesting.

 

[Boom]

Guys, take the Catwoman talk to the Catwoman thread, or I'm getting a mod in here.

Hate to be that guy, but it's getting annoying.