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[General Vulcun]

Some thoughts that just came to me. Considering that a lot of people believe Bane would brought in to figure out Batman's identity & take him down, does anyone believe it could be just to do that? What about escalation?

We saw in TDK how some people became inspired by Batman & took to the streets in their faux Batman gear...what about faux Jokers? Since Nolan's Bat films take the consequences of its character's actions into great consideration, couldn't we also assume that, like what happened with Batman & the faux Batmen, that there's a certain population of citizens that are inspired by The Joker's emergence & take to the streets preaching chaos? Could these "faux Jokers"/freaks turn out to be "half the inmates at Arkham" that Gordon referenced at the end of Begins? And could one of them turn out to be Harley Quinn?!?! (I doubt it, but just saying...)

So in addition to Batman being hot on the GCPD's radar, I can also see a scenario in which there's also a city full of vigilantes and freaks running about (or maybe the 2 sides are fighting each other). What are Gotham officials going to do about this? Would Bane be brought in with the intent of purging the city of these freaks, in addition to taking down Batman?

Actually...who would bring Bane in? Can we really see a scenario in which the GCPD, or Mayor Garcia, actively look for a big, strong guy to come in and take Batman down? This is where a character like Hugo Strange could come in; someone who the GCPD enlist the help of to better understand the psychology behind Batman, of who he could possibly be & why he does what he does. Could Strange then suggest to them that this guy, Bane, is the answer to getting Batman, and that's how Bane steps into the picture?

And just as a final thought, what about the mob? They've been featured pominently in both Nolan Bat films, so it seems very unlikely that Nolan would not include them at all in TDKR, but where do they stand? I got the impression from TDK that Maroni, Gambol and The Chechen were the last major mob bosses in Gotham, so with them taken out & their lackies left without a leader, who do they turn to? Who steps up to lead them? Would Nolan turn back to a more traditional mob leader like Rupert Thorne, or would he show the transition (the escalation) as a freak steps up? Could it be The Penguin, The Ventriloquist, or Black Mask?

Just a few thoughts on how some plot threads could be laid out. But I kind of got a feeling that, as far as major threats are concerned, there's still some to come.

 

[Changeling]

So...now that we know that Bane and Catwoman are in the film, I'm going to bring up another tired point of conversation.

Dick Grayson.

How would people feel if he was in the film? Personally, I wouldn't mind at all. If the death of the Graysons was somehow involved in the overall plot scheme, I think it could work. Plus, Dick's personality could do something to elevate Bruce's feeling of isolation and loneliness.

Thoughts?

Oh man, that'd be great.
I for sure don't just want to see Grayson, I want to see Robin as well. Maybe he only becomes Robin for like the climax, and that's it. I dunno.
Or they could use him in an Azrael type of role, if Bats is broken.

 

[hegele]

nice post General Vulcun.

I definitely see potential for an intermediary for bane and gotham, whether it could be Strange or the police or whatever.

 

[Wolfwood]

That's like saying "I don't want to see Batman but I definitely want to see Bruce Wayne". And don't give me this "but Bruce is Batman and the two can not be separate so it doesn't count" nonsense. It's exactly the same. Dick is the first Robin, and I don't want to see his story UNLESS he becomes Robin. Regardless of what the "cool kids" think about Robin and "how gay he is" or whatever that's supposed to mean. However, I don't want to see Dick in this trilogy.

I don't have a problem with seeing Robin later on, but what I'm talking about is seeing Dick as a young boy at first and exploring their relationship before he becomes Robin. Basically here's what I'd like to see if Robin was introduced to a new trilogy:

First film: Explore the relationship between Bruce and Dick, by the end of the film Dick finds out about Batman

Second film:Full on Robin action

Third film: Test the relationship between the two characters and show how strong it can truly be even when they're on the verge of having a falling out.


Also, please don't make assumptions that just because I didn't want to see Dick don the Robin costume right away that I think his character "is gay." Thank-you.

 

[antsman41]

Vulcon, you reminded me...

If they don't bring Richard Alpert back for TDKRises, I will break someone's back...

 

[Secret Fawful]

Also, please don't make assumptions that just because I didn't want to see Dick don the Robin costume right away that I think his character "is gay." Thank-you.

Please don't give me your prissy, higher-than-thou attitude. Only my mother can take that attitude with me. Thank-you.

Once I said Bruce Wayne, I was no longer talking specifically to you, just in general. Since you didn't realize this, regardless of the fact you may have had to read my mind to do so, I don't like you anymore. Why? Because I'm an insufferable b******, and insufferable b******s get to be that way. It's just oodles of fun. If you think my post sounds venomous, please, don't take it personally, because it's not meant to be. I'm that way with everyone now and again, because humanity makes me angry.

 

[Wolfwood]

Fantastic, good luck with that. I wish you all the best in life.

 

[alexdunn]

I'd love for a new director to take over for a fourth sequel with Robin. I really hope they go this route, they've set up a great movie-verse. I'd love to see other directors versions. If this happens, I hope most of the cast stays. I don't want a new Batman every movie.

 

[Sawyer]

Vulcon, you reminded me...

If they don't bring Richard Alpert back for TDKRises, I will break someone's back...

Samesies.

 

[Anita18]

Yeah. Oldman's been involved with the Harry Potter franchise, a series that went through several director changes with each film (Alfonso Cuaron, Mike Newell, and David Yates). I can't see Oldman saying no to a fourth Batman movie if the script was good, unless he just doesn't like a new director stepping into Nolan's shoes.

Oldman's been in some real stinkers, I don't think he's very picky.

I am a huge Robin fan. Perhaps one of the biggest on the boards.

I'm a huge advocate of him as a character and want him in a film.

But, I don't just want him in the film for the sake of seeing him in the film. If he doesn't add something positive to the film, don't add him. We don't need another poor interpretation to have a poor film blamed on him...again. Let's be honest, if a film featuring Robin isn't successful, or even perfect, he'll be the scape goat.

But for the next film, I've been a huge activist in involving Dick Grayson. Have the mob on the run after the events of the last film. The "freaks" are moving in, taking up turf in the city. One of the only ways that they can smuggle guns and drugs since loosing the docks is through the trailers of a circus that cross state lines. A turf war ensues at the carnival grounds between Boss Tony Zucco, the last of the traditional mob element and the freaks headed by...any number of the usual suspects (Penguin, Black Mask, Scar Face, Great White Shark, even if Bane is squeezing out the mob element to gain complete control of Gotham's underworld...).

The Grayson's are killed in the crossfire, and Batman couldn't save them. Dick is left alive.

Dick would symbolize the infiniteness of Bruce's endeavor as Batman. Bruce learned in The Dark Knight that he is the only one who is truly incorruptible and that the law will not take up his mantle. The only one who will, will have to be someone he can train. He'll also train Dick because of the power he sees in him and the fear of that power being mishandled for evil. NOT TO MENTION, the insane guilt Bruce feels and catharsis he's looking for after the fall of Harvey Dent. Dick Grayson would be his "retry" to save someone who is on the edge after her was unable to save Harvey.

I also think when going up against Bane, Bruce may need all the help he can get...even if Dick doesn't don a uniform, or does so without permission...


Just my two cents. Though, if he isn't included, I'm cool with it. As long as it's because he doesn't fit the story and not because he is dismissed as a "weak" or "silly" character...because he is the opposite.

-R

I like your attitude about it. And yeah, I do think that Robin has a place in Batman's world, but I'm doubtful whether he has a place in Nolan's world given the time and story constraints.

 

[Robin91939]

I like your attitude about it. And yeah, I do think that Robin has a place in Batman's world, but I'm doubtful whether he has a place in Nolan's world given the time and story constraints.

I agree. I really hope that we could get one or two more films from the creative team/cast in place. Even if Chris Nolan stepped aside and produced it and Jonah Nolan directed the next two features....or trilogy.

While Chris is the superior filmmaker, it's obvious that Jonah is the real comic geek and has the more "American" sensibilities, and I think he'd be chomping at the bit to get behind the camera on one of these, with Chris' blessing. I feel like if we got a trilogy from him with Bale, Oldman, Caine, Freeman, and Hathaway it would be amazing. (Plus Wally Pfister as the cinematographer).

Chris Nolan's trilogy would be the Rise of Batman.

Jonah Nolan's trilogy would be the Rise of the Freaks.

We could see the mob element turned freak. Introduce Ventriloquist, Black Mask, and Penguin.

Villains like Deadshot, Mad Hatter, Hugo Strange, Hush, Calendar Man, or the Riddler would be amazing to see with this world's sensibilities and rules. We could have a continued romance with Selina Kyle/Catwoman and Bruce Wayne/Batman.

We could give the story of Robin justice with a proper introduction to Dick Grayson, and have him evolve from a kid who Batman doesn't want as a side kick into a soldier by Bruce's side in Batman's never ending war on crime.

It could be epic. There are so many stories that could be told. And if done right, Bale could play the role until he's 44-45, convincingly. I doubt he would, without Chris, but if it were still A Nolan behind the camera, and Chris were involved, who knows?

Batman should be a saga...

-R

 

[Anita18]

I agree. I really hope that we could get one or two more films from the creative team/cast in place. Even if Chris Nolan stepped aside and produced it and Jonah Nolan directed the next two features....or trilogy.

While Chris is the superior filmmaker, it's obvious that Jonah is the real comic geek and has the more "American" sensibilities, and I think he'd be chomping at the bit to get behind the camera on one of these, with Chris' blessing. I feel like if we got a trilogy from him with Bale, Oldman, Caine, Freeman, and Hathaway it would be amazing. (Plus Wally Pfister as the cinematographer).

Chris Nolan's trilogy would be the Rise of Batman.

Jonah Nolan's trilogy would be the Rise of the Freaks.

We could see the mob element turned freak. Introduce Ventriloquist, Black Mask, and Penguin.

Villains like Deadshot, Mad Hatter, Hugo Strange, Hush, Calendar Man, or the Riddler would be amazing to see with this world's sensibilities and rules. We could have a continued romance with Selina Kyle/Catwoman and Bruce Wayne/Batman.

We could give the story of Robin justice with a proper introduction to Dick Grayson, and have him evolve from a kid who Batman doesn't want as a side kick into a soldier by Bruce's side in Batman's never ending war on crime.

It could be epic. There are so many stories that could be told. And if done right, Bale could play the role until he's 44-45, convincingly. I doubt he would, without Chris, but if it were still A Nolan behind the camera, and Chris were involved, who knows?

Batman should be a saga...

-R

Well at the same time, I'm not sure if either Nolan (or Bale, or Caine or Oldman, etc) would be up for another round of Batman films. Batman has taken up nearly 10 years of their lives/careers. When TDKR is done I'd want them to move on!

Nolan is supremely talented and even though I feel TDK is one of his best films, I also don't want him to stifle himself artistically by continuing to do Batman films for 10 more years. Stay on as a producer sure, but step aside with the directorial duties and let someone else have a crack at the Robin story.

 

[Mike_D202]

I like the Dick Grayson character because of the overall psychological arcs. Because his parents died at a young age (same as Bruce) and he is orphaned, Bruce sees himself when he was a kid. He takes care of the kid hoping to shape him into having a better life than he had, not training him to fight crime but to go down a different path because he doesn't wish the life of the Batman on anybody. Well, Grayson eventually falls down the darker path and Bruce realizes that there is no stopping him, so he trains him.

The Robin thing doesn't have to be campy or silly, if they try they can play this off in a serious tone.

 

[Gianakin_]

Agreed. Gough's performance was the only thing consistently good about all four films of the previous franchise.

The man was made of class.

 

[frakkingoff]

it's obvious that Jonah is the real comic geek

Why do you say this?

 

[Octoberist]

I think Jonah is more of a comic book fan when he was younger, while Chris is only familiar with comics in general. Well..now he's a fan for sure.

 

[Anita18]

I think Jonah is more of a comic book fan when he was younger, while Chris is only familiar with comics in general. Well..now he's a fan for sure.

Jonah has said more than once that it was Chris who gave him DKR for his 15th birthday. So Chris was the original comics fan. But maybe he'd moved on to other things since then.

Anyway, of the trio, Goyer is obviously the most comics-knowledgeable. DC did open up their vaults for them though, so there's no stopping Jonah for doing all the research he needs.

 

[Octoberist]

OH yeah. GOYER! Forgot all about him!

 

[Kane52630]

Has anyone read Bruce Wayne - Murderer? Ive always felt after reading it that Nolan should incorporate some of the elements for TDKR

 

[mclay18]

Oldman's been in some real stinkers, I don't think he's very picky.

I wouldn't say the three HP films Oldman's been in are bad. Now, if you're referring to The Fifth Element, Red Riding Hood, Lost in Space and The Scarlet Letter -- then yes.

 

[Octoberist]

First off, Red Riding Hood is not even out yet so we can't say much about it.

And secondly, The Fifth Element is an entertaining movie.

 

[Travesty]

First off, Red Riding Hood is not even out yet so we can't say much about it.

And secondly, The Fifth Element is an entertaining movie.

Trust me, there's a lot of crappy movies he's been in.

 

[JAK®]

The Fifth Element is a great movie.

 

[Octoberist]

Trust me, there's a lot of crappy movies he's been in.

No I understand that, but the two examples pointed out are not very strong.

 

[Gianakin_]

Since when is the 5th Element considered a stinker?