I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yes, I agree. Spending whole days moaning about the FF movie would be quite dumb and sad. But what's that got to do with me ?

Everyone's got a life. Yes, even you. And none of us waste our WHOLE times in here. We just spend some of the spare times we have. And it's far from moronic. It's actually quite fun. Try to enjoy it sometimes, I do recommend it.

I am sorry. I meant to say moaning about movie Doom. Didn't say you spent your whole time on here...but the time you spend on here seems to be nothing but negativity. But whatever who cares...let us both shut up now.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

I am sorry. I meant to say moaning about movie Doom. Didn't say you spent your whole time on here...but the time you spend on here seems to be nothing but negativity. But whatever who cares...let us both shut up now.

Fair deal.

 

[dos_acoustic]

That is the true essence of Doom; that he can stand amidsts Superpowered titans as an equal and yet a mere mortal simultaneously. That is one of many reasons why Doom was absent from this film.

That was what i always loved about Doom...thats what makes him Doom...if you take that away he is just another stupid villain...now i havent watched the movie yet but from what i can about Movie Doom is that he only has the name nothing else is even close to his original greatness. Is this correct?

 

[The Guard]

"It's an origin. Everything's different about him, it's atrocious, but guys, it's an origin. It will get better. I swear! They waste a whole movie, but I repeat, it's an origin! So it's ok."

Sure makes this movie Doom version THAT much better when people scream "OriiIIIiiigin!".

Yes. It does. Much like not seeing half of what I love about Batman from BATMAN BEGINS, and knowing I will see a lot of it in sequels. Because quite honestly, this has "franchise" written all over it, and it's obvious they INTENDED to introduce this character and to develop him more later on, to amp up the threat level as was done with Magneto, except they wanted to see an origin for him here. What's so damned atrocious about this character? That some things were changed? That he doesn't look/act exactly like the Dr. Doom you see in the comics? EVERY SINGLE superhero movie has THIS kind of a take on the superheroes and supervillains. Every single one. I say something about Ra's Al Ghul, and the Batman fans scream "Talia's not neccessary, and neither is the Pit and maybe we'll see her in the future". Some of you seem to expect a character to be everying he's been for years in one film that has to intro at least five characters and their stories, and that boggles my mind.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

That was what i always loved about Doom...thats what makes him Doom...if you take that away he is just another stupid villain...now i havent watched the movie yet but from what i can about Movie Doom is that he only has the name nothing else is even close to his original greatness. Is this correct?

Actually, it's worse. He's also a bad villain.

 

[dos_acoustic]

Actually, it's worse. He's also a bad villain.

That really sucks!....I guess there is really no point in watching it now.. the only reason I even wanted a FF movie was to finally see Doom on the big screen..could care less about the FF team...actually dont give a damn about the FF only Doom....oh well i guess there is always the comics

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

Yes. It does. Much like not seeing half of what I love about Batman from BATMAN BEGINS, and knowing I will see a lot of it in sequels. Because quite honestly, this has "franchise" written all over it, and it's obvious they INTENDED to introduce this character and to develop him more later on, to amp up the threat level as was done with Magneto, except they wanted to see an origin for him here. What's so damned atrocious about this character? That some things were changed? That he doesn't look/act exactly like the Dr. Doom you see in the comics? EVERY SINGLE superhero movie has THIS kind of a take on the superheroes and supervillains. Every single one. I say something about Ra's Al Ghul, and the Batman fans scream "Talia's not neccessary, and neither is the Pit and maybe we'll see her in the future". Some of you seem to expect a character to be everying he's been for years in one film that has to intro at least five characters and their stories, and that boggles my mind.

No, we just expect to see Doom. We saw nothing of him in that movie. We are not happy. How does that boggles your mind ?

It's quite simple, actually.

And I refuses to go once again in details as to how movie Doom is NOT faithful at all (well, aside from his mask and name, of course) since I (and so many others) have explained why so many times.

And, really, you just need to read the comics to understand.

There's making changes to a character, and then there's changing EVERYTHING about him.

edit: Oh, and to help you undestand (since it "boggles your mind"), let's say your favorite character in all OF COMICS gets adapted on the screen. The people behind the movie decide to change everything about him (origin, powers and attitude). And then makes what you considered a "badass and serious comic character" into a cheesy ones, who wisecracks and is trying to be "fun" instead of menacing.

Now, does your mind still "boggles" ?

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

That really sucks!....I guess there is really no point in watching it now.. the only reason I even wanted a FF movie was to finally see Doom on the big screen..could care less about the FF team...actually dont give a damn about the FF only Doom....oh well i guess there is always the comics

Don't spend your money on it. If you actually do like comic Doom, there is nearly no way you'll ever appreciate what they crafted for that movie.

 

[Sardaukar]

Yes. It does. Much like not seeing half of what I love about Batman from BATMAN BEGINS, and knowing I will see a lot of it in sequels. Because quite honestly, this has "franchise" written all over it, and it's obvious they INTENDED to introduce this character and to develop him more later on, to amp up the threat level as was done with Magneto, except they wanted to see an origin for him here. What's so damned atrocious about this character? That some things were changed? That he doesn't look/act exactly like the Dr. Doom you see in the comics? EVERY SINGLE superhero movie has THIS kind of a take on the superheroes and supervillains. Every single one. I say something about Ra's Al Ghul, and the Batman fans scream "Talia's not neccessary, and neither is the Pit and maybe we'll see her in the future". Some of you seem to expect a character to be everying he's been for years in one film that has to intro at least five characters and their stories, and that boggles my mind.

Some stuff about Batman was left out, but what was actually there was essentially faithful to the character. Same with Ra's, same with Magneto.

They didn't just leave stuff out for Doom, they changed him completely.

Now they'll have a sequel and if they actually turn him more Doom-like it won't be consistent with the first film because he was portrayed as such an utter *****ebag.

 

[The Guard]

No, we just expect to see Doom. We saw nothing of him in that movie. We are not happy. How does that boggles your mind ?

Your reasoning, basically.

And I refuses to go once again in details as to how movie Doom is NOT faithful at all (well, aside from his mask and name, of course) since I (and so many others) have explained why so many times.

I don't NEED to know why movie Doom isn't faithful. I've heard it. I get it. But you're all acting like this take on Doom is so horrible and awful, simply because it's not what you're used to. And yet, so many of you have embraced the same damn concept elsewhere that I find it humorous.

And, really, you just need to read the comics to understand.

I've read the comics. Fantastic Four comics, as well. For years. I can accept change, and I can understand when it's made in order to GET a character into a film without simply tossing him in there.

There's making changes to a character, and then there's changing EVERYTHING about him.

They didn't change everything about him. He still shoots energy blasts from his hands, is superstrong and nigh-invulnerable, wears his green cloak and metal mask, has his metal "armor", is cunning, full of hatred for Reed and co, he was still going after Sue...he still desired power, he still had the "scar" aspect...

edit: Oh, and to help you undestand (since it "boggles your mind"), let's say your favorite character in all OF COMICS gets adapted on the screen. The people behind the movie decide to change everything about him (origin, powers and attitude). And then makes what you considered a "badass and serious comic character" into a cheesy ones, who wisecracks and is trying to be "fun" instead of menacing.

I watched Ra's Al Ghul lose Talia, the Lazarus Pits, and the basic idea behind his comic book quest, as well as being made the person who teaches Bruce Wayne about becoming more than a man...so that he could be put into a Batman origin film. The people behind BATMAN BEGINS seemingly decided to change everyting about him. His origin, method of operation, and yes, his attitude toward various things. I saw Scarecrow reduced to a thug with just his basics kept intact. These are two of my favorite characters in comics. I got over the changes made to them. Know why? Because both of their inclusions made at least a little sense, and they were fairly "badass". I'm not saying Doom is perfect, or even close. But he's still light years beyond most villains in terms of origin signifigance, relevance, motivation and methods of operation. He was a complete badass in FANTASTIC FOUR. Are you telling me that you've never seen Dr. Doom crack a joke? Ever? Despite your objections, Doom WAS pretty damn menacing, save one or two lines. One or two. In an entire film of lines.

Now, does your mind still "boggles" ?

No, I understand perfectly. Not happy about what I understand, though.

Some stuff about Batman was left out, but what was actually there was essentially faithful to the character. Same with Ra's, same with Magneto.

Horse****. What was there was put there was put there in many ways to make the comic book character more interesting and less cliche. Bruce Wayne/Batman does not kill. Batman never trained with Ra's Al Ghul. He doesn't act as violent as he was in the car chase. There IS no Rachel Dawes in his life, and Bruce Wayne NEVER had to be told what justice was. If you want to go this route, you have to pretty much accept that since Doom had the basics of himself and his relationship to the Four, he was fairly faithful. Otherwise, you have to accept that comic book characters get changed, all the time, in large ways.

They didn't just leave stuff out for Doom, they changed him completely.

They've been changing characters completely for years. For any adaption, not just for comic book ones. Some of you act surprised.

Now they'll have a sequel and if they actually turn him more Doom-like it won't be consistent with the first film because he was portrayed as such an utter *****ebag.

Define "utter *****ebag".

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

Define "utter *****ebag".

Movie Doom. Heh.

Oh, and I can't believe you are even INSINUATING that Ra's and Scarecrow's changes were anything NEAR those of movie Doom.

You can name the changes in Ras and scarecrow's adaptions. While in Doom's case, it's hard to name what IS faithful.

 

[The Guard]

I just named what was faithful about Doom in my last post. Add "ego" to the list.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

I just named what was faithful about Doom in my last post. Add "ego" to the list.

I can compare my butt to Jessica Alba's face. Doesn't make it faithful. My butt's got some shape. So does her face. It's got skin. So does her face. It's got some hair. Oh my god, so does her face. I've got Alba's face curved by god on my back.

Faithful, I tell ya, faithful!

Sigh.

 

[seymour]

Define "utter *****ebag".

Its an extremely insulting description of women around the equivilent of the c word which little boys use in in locker room descriptions of women they find unattractive. Also used by males who don't like women at all to indicate their uselessness.

It is meant to hurt and disgust female readers and convince them they don't have a right to post here.


One out of three any bad. It disgusts me.

dee

 

[The Guard]

I can compare my butt to Jessica Alba's face. Doesn't make it faithful. My butt's got some shape. So does her face. It's got skin. So does her face. It's got some hair. Oh my god, so does her face. I've got Alba's face curved by god on my back.

Faithful, I tell ya, faithful!

Sigh.

How old are you? There are obvious character and story elements of the movie version of Dr. Doom that are faithful to the comic book character. I'm not sure how some of them can even be argued against. I'm not trying to convince you that Doom has a castle, rules Latveria, uses Doombots, etc. But there were several important aspects of his character in this film.

 

[Dew k. Mosi]

Keep it civil in here, guys, or I will ban the lot of you

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

Keep it civil in here, guys, or I will ban the lot of you

Civil ? Where's the fighting and the insults ?

Actually, the fact you just threatened to ban people for nothing is more of an insult than we ever came close of doing. Or maybe I missed a post.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

How old are you? There are obvious character and story elements of the movie version of Dr. Doom that are faithful to the comic book character. I'm not sure how some of them can even be argued against. I'm not trying to convince you that Doom has a castle, rules Latveria, uses Doombots, etc. But there were several important aspects of his character in this film.

My point was important. Just think about it. It may have sound childish, but all the comparisons I made about Alba's face and my butt were true. But for all the WRONG reasons.

Same with Movie Doom. Most of what you call "faithful" is for the wrong reasons.

"He still shoots energy blasts from his hands, is superstrong and nigh-invulnerable, wears his green cloak and metal mask, has his metal "armor", is cunning, full of hatred for Reed and co, he was still going after Sue...he still desired power, he still had the "scar" aspect..."

"He still shoots energy blasts from his hands, is superstrong and nigh-invulnerable"

Well, I think you know where i'm going. Powers, instead of armor, etc. But really, that's very important. Doom NOT having powers is one of his CORE characteristic. It would be like giving Batman powers. Same, imo. For the wrong reasons.

Metal armor, same thing. Green cloak, that's a trenchcoat, same thing (the wrong reasons, not a cape, etc. The cape was to give him the look of a king. THAT'S the point. Giving a green trenchcoat to a businessman only imply that he might look cool. NOTHING really faithful under that.). Cunning ? Cunning means intelligent, someone who plans well what he will do. Doom had no backup plans like comic Doom usually has. Heck, he's got no PLANS at all outside of taking down the ff. Doom always saw further than his nemesis. It was his ultimate ego that brough him down. But here, what will he do next, take down by himself the cops and the US army ? He's not that powerful. He's a businessman. Now that he just "blew" his cover, he'll never get back his empire.

Full of hatred for Reed ? Sure, but in the comics, it was misplaced Hatred. Hatred which should have never happened. It was never Reed's fault. Here, it IS. That makes for a big difference. Again for the wrong reasons (worse, he also hate Reed because he stole his girlfriend, which are other "wrong reasons" behind it all. ).

Yes, he desires power. Actually, i'm not even sure about that. I mean, yes, but he "gets" his power by accident. Doom in the comics, if he wants powers, he goes and take it. He always did. In the movie, he gets them by accident, and grows to like them. Again, for the wrong reasons.

Just like my butt and Alba's face are alike for the wrong reasons.

It doesn't make my butt look like Alba's good looking face, and it sure as heck doesn't make movie Doom faithful.

 

[The Guard]

I didn't say HE was faithful. I said elements were there. Like any comic book movie supervillain.

My point was important. Just think about it. All the comparison I made about Alba's face and my butt were true. But for all the WRONG reasons.

That has to be the most pointless analogy I've ever seen. It'd be like me saying that if you told me Bruce Wayne was faithful in training overseas in BATMAN BEGINS, that this element wasn't faithful to the comics because Ra's never trained him.

Same with Movie Doom. Most of what you call "faithful" is for the wrong reasons.

Doom being an egomaniac is wrong, why? Him hating Reed is wrong why?Then what is "faithful" in a comic book movie? You've got the draw the line somewhere. Every single one of those aspects, whether they stem from powers or not, IS an aspect Doom possesses in the comics. Similarities, definitely. Faithful, maybe not to the letter, given their nature. But the point is, those elements weren't ignored. They were just changed.

"He still shoots energy blasts from his hands, is superstrong and nigh-invulnerable, wears his green cloak and metal mask, has his metal "armor", is cunning, full of hatred for Reed and co, he was still going after Sue...he still desired power, he still had the "scar" aspect..."

"He still shoots energy blasts from his hands, is superstrong and nigh-invulnerable"

Well, I think you know where i'm going. Powers, instead of armor, etc. But really, that's very important. Doom NOT having powers is one of his CORE characteristic. It would be like giving Batman powers. Same, imo. For the wrong reasons.

Doom doesn't have powers in the comics, fine, he's just a supergenius who invented a suit of armor (or got one from monks) that basically gave him powers. So basically, in essence, he might as well have powers.

[quotye]Metal armor, same thing.[/quote]

Green cloak, that's a trenchcoat, same thing (the wrong reasons, not a cape, etc).

So it's a trenchcoat. It's green, it has the gold clasps on it. It has the hood. Now you're just splitting hairs.

Cunning ? He has no backup plans like Doom usually has.

"Cunning" equals "backup plans?". Could have sworn it didn't have such a narrow definition.

Heck, he's got no PLANS at all outside of taking down the ff.

So? Ra's Al Ghul didn't have plans beyond taking out Gotham, apparently. Goblin's plans were basically to kill Spider-Man and do god knows what to Mary Jane. Howard Saint didn't even have a plan past killing Frank Castle. Use your imagination and some common sense. Obviously, after he killed the Four, Doom probably would flee...to...oh, I don't know...somewhere remote...somewhere he could regroup...figure out what to do...hmm...where could he go...

Doom always saw further than his nemesis. What will he do next, take down by himself the cops and the US army ? He's not that powerful.

And he outsmarted them, didn't he? If it wasn't for the teamwork and the loyalty between them, the FF would have been screwed.

Full of hatred for Reed ? Sure, but in the comics, it was misplaced Hatred. Hatred which should have never happened. It was never Reed's fault. Here, it IS.

How is it Reed's fault? He told Doom to abort. Doom didn't.

That makes for a big difference. Again for the wrong reasons (worse, also because of jealousy for Sue, which are other "wrong reasons" ).

I would say "wrong reasons" would indicate "misplaced hatred", wouldn't you?

Yes, he desire power. Actually, i'm not even sure about that. I mean, yes, but he "gets" his power by accident.

The power he has and the power he desires are two seperate things. It's obvious he wants to be in control of as much as he can, has world aspirations, etc.

Doom in the comics, if he wants powers, he goes and take it. He always did. In the movie, he gets them by accident, and grows to like them. Again, for the wrong reasons.

What wrong reasons? Are you telling me that liking his newfound abilities is a bad thing? Did Doom hate his armor in the comics, or did he embrace it's properties?

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

See I wouldn't be debating so much on here if things like this weren't going on. I know Doom was not entirely faithful enough. But you see when the people who don't like movie Doom start to ignore and bash EVERYTHING about him and say he has NO faithful or redeeming qualities then they are just being a little too pissed off and refuse to believe that anything good can come from a character that differs from the original. Doom hated the Fantastic Four, he is in a battle of smarts with Reed, he wanted to gain a lot of power, he donned the mask because if the state of his face, he has the mask and cloak, he has super strength, he is Latverian, he is a graduate of MIT, he is vain, and he kills many people in the movie. YOU CANNOT DEBATE THESE! Quit trying to say they are not faithful to the character just because there are other things they changed about it him. At least hate him for the right reason. Go ahead and hate the electricity, organic metal, the love triangle, etc. but quit trying to make it look like they changed everything completely.

 

[C. Lee]

Civil ? Where's the fighting and the insults ?

Actually, the fact you just threatened to ban people for nothing is more of an insult than we ever came close of doing. Or maybe I missed a post.

Here is the insult....I'm sorry that you were too insensitive to notice it.

We have had complaints about the rather liberal use of the term "*****ebag". That term is offensive to many people...and people shouldn't be using it in casual conversations (which posting on an open message board that all ages read, is). The next one who uses it in here is on probation.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

See I wouldn't be debating so much on here if things like this weren't going on. I know Doom was not entirely faithful enough. But you see when the people who don't like movie Doom start to ignore and bash EVERYTHING about him and say he has NO faithful or redeeming qualities then they are just being a little too pissed off and refuse to believe that anything good can come from a character that differs from the original. Doom hated the Fantastic Four, he is in a battle of smarts with Reed, he wanted to gain a lot of power, he donned the mask because if the state of his face, he has the mask and cloak, he has super strength, he is Latverian, he is a graduate of MIT, he is vain, and he kills many people in the movie. YOU CANNOT DEBATE THESE! Quit trying to say they are not faithful to the character just because there are other things they changed about it him. At least hate him for the right reason. Go ahead and hate the electricity, organic metal, the love triangle, etc. but quit trying to make it look like they changed everything completely.

I've already explained why all of this was unfaithful, how he hated Reed for all the wrong reasons, could shoot lighting for the wrong reasons, etc. Read my post above. I'm not throwing garbage here, I usually hate a character when there's good reasons to hate him.

 

[The Guard]

See I wouldn't be debating so much on here if things like this weren't going on. I know Doom was not entirely faithful enough. But you see when the people who don't like movie Doom start to ignore and bash EVERYTHING about him and say he has NO faithful or redeeming qualities then they are just being a little too pissed off and refuse to believe that anything good can come from a character that differs from the original.

Exactly. I get that there were changes to Doom. Most of them weren't neccessarily improvements on his comic book persona, although some of the changes were darn cool, period. But again, the same holds true for MANY comic book villains. Changes happen in order to fit them into stories. They happen in order to make characters more interesting in the eyes of the public, more relevant to the given story, and in order to just fit characters into film in a way that allows them not to just "show up". It seems like everything is either amazing or crap now. There's no in-between for anyone on SHH anymore.

Doom hated the Fantastic Four, he is in a battle of smarts with Reed, he wanted to gain a lot of power, he donned the mask because if the state of his face, he has the mask and cloak, he has super strength, he is Latverian, he is a graduate of MIT, he is vain, and he kills many people in the movie. YOU CANNOT DEBATE THESE! Quit trying to say they are not faithful to the character just because there are other things they changed about it him.

Exactly.

At least hate him for the right reason. Go ahead and hate the electricity, organic metal, the love triangle, etc. but quit trying to make it look like they changed everything completely.

Even the love triangle has elements of the comic book situation. And its really not a love triangle, since Sue clearly doesn't return Doom's feelings here.

I've already explained why all of this was unfaithful, how he hated Reed for all the wrong reasons, could shoot lighting for the wrong reasons, etc. Read my post above. I'm not throwing garbage here, I usually hate a character when there's good reasons to hate him.

Ok...we'll play this game.

For example:

In BATMAN BEGINS, Ra's Al Ghul hates Bruce Wayne because he burned his home and betrayed him, depriving him of his method to destroy Gotham. Know why he hates Bruce Wayne in the comics? Because he seeks to stop his quest (which ISN'T the quest he has in the movie) and because Bruce shuns his daughter and Ra's outlook on the world. Therefore, Ra's Al Ghul and Bruce Wayne hate each other for the wrong reasons.

In BATMAN BEGINS, Bruce Wayne becomes Batman because he sees a ****load of bats in the cave, as a sort of omen. But in the comics, he sees a lone bat fly/smash through his window. He also decided to be a bat because he's, get this, scared of them. Since the movie changed things up, Bruce Wayne has now chosen to become Batman for the wrong reasons, since what is in BEGINS doesn't EXACTLY coincide with what is in the comics. Nevermind that the idea that a bat led him to adopt the image is the point, it's not ENTIRELY FAITHFUL! BOO! Crappy ****ty adaption!

Don't get me started on why The Scarecrow is now "**** on", given that he's basically handed Fear Gas and has been "reduced to a thug" (I'm being sarcastic, for the most part I liked Scarecrow, but the poi nt should start to become obvious. It has something to do with realistically fitting beloved characters into, as this one is, and as BATMAN BEGINS was in many ways, an ensemble film).

I can do this with nearly every single comic book film. Once again, the ESSENCE of a character and relationship is what is important when it comes to something that is being adapted from MULTIPLE SOURCES, not neccessarily the exact details.

So Dr. Doom is a cosmic freak now, with powers. Ok, big misstep in terms of faithfulness, although storywise, it works well enough for any one who isn't obsessed with being completely faithful to the comics. Much like Ra's worked without Talia, the Pit, all things that pretty much MAKE him Ra's Al Ghul in the comics.

But in terms of the essence of Doom? He's an intelligent man who, due to his ego and sense of self, has become an evil freak with armor, who shoots electricity from his hands, who hates the Four, who is an egomanic with obvious power and world aspirations, who had feelings for Sue Storm, hated Richards, and blames Richards for his condition.

 

[InVictus]

I can do this with nearly every single comic book film. Once again, the ESSENCE of a character and relationship is what is important when it comes to something that is being adapted from MULTIPLE SOURCES, not neccessarily the exact details.

This is truly a good statement.

So Dr. Doom is a cosmic freak now, with powers. Ok, big misstep in terms of faithfulness, although storywise, it works well enough for any one who isn't obsessed with being completely faithful to the comics.

So, you think people cannot understand comic stories/characters?This is the way to think that make a comic reader become a fanboy(uhmm...since this is an interpretable statement, amd this topic is a little hot, i assure you it's only generally directed, ok?), because he think himself better than other because he remembers all the continuum. Probably this concept had some truth last decade, people today can appreciate more different themes, different kind of movies, people liking does evolve.And the story...Holy Jesus, did yu have to mention the story?
What's the meaning of Doom actions in the movie? What story does tell the movie? FIve guys go in space and become supha dupa, after that they only looks cool or they hang around while sloooooooowly the fifth of them decides to go whizzy to have them do something heroic?

Much like Ra's worked without Talia, the Pit, all things that pretty much MAKE him Ra's Al Ghul in the comics.

Well, in BB they did not touch Ra's motivations, or past. And they didn't cut out the possibilities of Talia or the Pit. It is not about what they do not show,it's about what they show INSTEAD of. You can gliss about important things, for space/narration limitations, but if you instead change them without return, and change them in bad, you fail.

But in terms of the essence of Doom?He's an intelligent man

Excuse me, where does he show it in the movie?The easiest way to show it in a movie are showing his creations...if you use subtile manipulations it's very risky, especially if you show ONLY that part of his intelligence, yet if you want to show Doom machinations, it's gotta be an incredibly one, one that makes you think "Woha, this guy is THE evil mastermind" not the talking behind people that some bitter old ladies do. ....well he created a financial empire?He ordered the making of the space station?Impressive. Again, Doom always supervisioned personally every technological aspect of his creations.
In many ways Doom is an one man factory,(one of his personal "superpowers"?^^) he doesn't use people if he can, because he doesn't trust nearly anyone (maybe Lancer).

who, due to his ego and sense of self, has become an evil freak

Strange that even you admit it. This is the crucial point.The greatest abomination they did to him. Doom is a man, only a man, not a freak.
It has a lot in common with Batman from this point. And he is even 100 tmes greater than Tony Stark, because Doom threat is equal even without the armour, heck sometimes i think the armour limit his intelligence...

with armor,

Again, that's no armour.Nothing he built, It is not part of him, since he didn't make it, it "just happened". Doom does not wait things to happen.

who shoots electricity from his hands, who hates the Four, who is an egomanic with obvious power and world aspirations, who had feelings for Sue Storm, hated Richards, and blames Richards for his condition.

And this is NOT the ESSENCE of Doom, sorry.This is the ESSENCE of a weak, madman.

 

[nogster]

the crux of this arguement is. the true essence of doom was missing in the movie. you guys can go into specific detail about it and debate all u like but what it comes down to is the movie doom was just another 2 dimensional villian with little depth, snappy one liners and lacked true screen presence. that can be all fine and dandy if the character WAS NOT DR DOOM. it would be forgivable if it were supporting villian or a little know bad guy. but dr doom deserved more than the treatment the character got. there is no point debating this, it is the truth.
i think the reason why the majority here are so annoyed is because the biggest villian in comics has had a horrible 1st impression. u only get one chance to make a grand entrance, and the film makers duffed it. thats the crux of it.