"I am DOOM! What MODS Dare Stand Against Me! - Part 2

[marcvader]

Wow, I can't believe the creative chpice they went with. Sad

 

[punishermax]

Doom looks like a crash test dummy with braces had sex with a glow stick factory.

For real though. I hate this movie. I hate Fox. I want it to burn.

I won't apologize for it either, I want this movie to fail on every level, and so far I've been a very happy boy the last few days.

 

[Immortalfire]

Every night in prayer, i ask that someday we may see Marvel's greatest bad guy done properly on screen.

 

[punishermax]

Every night in prayer, i ask that someday we may see Marvel's greatest bad guy done properly on screen.

Quoted for the truth.

 

[Nathan]

So, how do the FF subdue Doom, when he can just blow someone's brains out without even lifting a finger?

 

[Black Narcissus]

I still get no change for coming up with the thread title. C.lee is cheap.

I'm a better villain than Doom.

 

[Marathon]

So Doom is kind-of-UFF/not-Domashev/Annihilus/Scanners melting pot product?

 

[marvelmadness13]

So Doom is kind-of-UFF/not-Domashev/Annihilus/Scanners melting pot product?

As one poster here so aptly describe him, he's the Crash Test Doomy.

 

[Marathon]

As one poster here so aptly describe him, he's the Crash Test Doomy.

t:

 

[The Overlord]

He really is like a horror movie character. I always thought he was one of the characters in the Marvel universe that i couldn't take seriously. The name Victor Von Doom is enough to make him a comic relief, which i fully expect him to be in this movie. That face is absolutely ridicilous and weird and those head exploding powers just make it all little bit better. He could work as a stand-in for Sinister's Bughuul. I would totally scream in terror if they jump scared that into the screen, if not only for the sheer ugliness.

Meh any super villain is silly when you think about it. You can say Magneto getting the power to control magnetism as part of genetic mutation makes no sense, but Fox still made Magneto compelling, why can't they do that with that Doom?

Man if Doom is such a throwaway villain in this story, why not use Wizard, Mad thinker or even Annhilus as the villain in this movie and build up Doom for a sequel?

Movie Doom continues to be the most mishandled villain in comic book movie history, Whiplash, William Stryker, Obadiah Stane, almost every other villain adapted to the Silver Screen in better then Doom, because Fox always makes Doom a watered down, one dimensional throwaway villain every time they adapt him. Why can't they just use the comic book version?

 

[TheVileOne]

Doom in the movie is terrible and worse than the 2005 film.

And they didn't drop the hacker/blogger thing completely.

 

[Boom]

Quite a feat to make something worse than Dr. Marco Polo.

 

[Spiderine]

Doom looks like a crash test dummy with braces had sex with a glow stick factory.

For real though. I hate this movie. I hate Fox. I want it to burn.

I won't apologize for it either, I want this movie to fail on every level, and so far I've been a very happy boy the last few days.

Its a damn shame.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

As one poster here so aptly describe him, he's the Crash Test Doomy.

 

[Spiderine]

Folks.....this was the villain that inspired Darth Vader for crying out loud.

He looks like he got attacked by Slimer.

 

[Dasher10]

Doom in the movie is terrible and worse than the 2005 film.

And they didn't drop the hacker/blogger thing completely.

How is that even possible? 2005 Doom had the wrong voice, the wrong mannerisms and the wrong motivation.

Then I see that the Metacritic score dropped even further. It's now down to a record low of 31.

 

[PyroChamber]

For anyone who's more familiar with Doctor Doom than I am, in your opinions, is Doom really that difficult of a character to translate into live action? I mean, do the writers not fully understand how Doom's abilities and motivations work or do they just not care?

 

[Deaths Head II]

For anyone who's more familiar with Doctor Doom than I am, in your opinions, is Doom really that difficult of a character to translate into live action? I mean, do the writers not fully understand how Doom's abilities and motivations work or do they just not care?

Fox likes to generally set things in a realistic modern setting. Doom however is a silver age villain through and through. It's hard to imagine a "realistic" character who puts on a metal suit, creates time machines, gives grandiose speeches, and rules over a kingdom but that's what Doom does. Fox also wants characters that can show off cool powers since it seems cooler visually than a guy that relies on gadgets. Doom is everything Fox doesn't want in a villain but they want the name recognition. So they essentially create a new character and call it Doom.

I do think an accurate Doom would be difficult to pull off unless the film isn't afraid to go more comic book. That's why Marvel is really the only studio that can do it.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

It's crazy that in two franchises now, Fox have gone out of their way to not give us Doom by making essentially the same mistake: shoehorn him into the mission that gives the Four their powers, and give him powers that turn his skin metallic and have him walk around in hooded rags. Like, did they seriously look at the feedback for the Tim Story films and think, "Well we got Doom right last time, no changes required there!"

This time they got closer, as pre-transformation Toby Kebbell plays a much more compelling Victor Von Doom than Julian McMahon did. But just about everything from his transformation onwards is just totally messed up, a series of bone-headed moves. And they could have so easily done it better. Mild spoilery talk...

Spoiler

In the movie, the "Four" who travel to the alternate dimension are Reed, Ben, Johnny and Victor, which in itself is pretty bad. Sue gets her powers by getting hit by an explosion back on Earth, when she successfully brings the others home. An ostensibly small but thematically huge change would have been to have Reed, Ben, Johnny and SUE be the ones who travel to the alternate dimension, with Victor being the one to ultimately shy away from the moment of shared camaraderie that makes the mission happen: hammer home that at the end of the day, he's not one of them. Then have it be VICTOR who manages to bring the Four back home, only to get caught in a lab explosion. Only the explosion doesn't give him powers, it scars his face. We see him escape from the facility with various military secrets and weapons blueprints, saying his scars are a reminder never to think of himself as equals with others ever again. Then, cue "One Year Later", we learn that in the intervening months Victor has built himself a suit of armor and, using the various stolen weapons blueprints, has crafted an advanced robot army which he has used to conquer his native country of Latveria and turn it into an isolationist state.

What did that take you, all of 3 minutes? Somebody should print that out and then staple it to Trank/berg's asses. Nice work my friend.

 

[Farren]

Fox likes to generally set things in a realistic modern setting. Doom however is a silver age villain through and through. It's hard to imagine a "realistic" character who puts on a metal suit, creates time machines, gives grandiose speeches, and rules over a kingdom but that's what Doom does. Fox also wants characters that can show off cool powers since it seems cooler visually than a guy that relies on gadgets. Doom is everything Fox doesn't want in a villain but they want the name recognition. So they essentially create a new character and call it Doom.

I do think an accurate Doom would be difficult to pull off unless the film isn't afraid to go more comic book. That's why Marvel is really the only studio that can do it.

Agreed. Fox is afraid of Doom being too over the top. But really there's no other way to do him justice.

I also think that Doom has a complicated backstory and character and it's hard to take out any of those pieces without muddling his motivations or personality or what makes him interesting. Doom's a standard megalomaniac silver age villain but he also has tragic, honorable and even sympathetic sides to him.

To be fair to the previous (and this current) films, I have seen pieces that I liked. I liked that McMahon's Doom had some humanity to him -- that we saw how scared he was when he saw his body transforming, that he had some vulnerability. I also think that Kebbel's Doom sounds like he fits young college Doom's personality.

 

[VictorDomashev]

For anyone who's more familiar with Doctor Doom than I am, in your opinions, is Doom really that difficult of a character to translate into live action? I mean, do the writers not fully understand how Doom's abilities and motivations work or do they just not care?

He is one of the main inspirations for Darth ****ing Vader. Think about that for a minute

 

[Marathon]

As previous posters have said, you have to commit to him completely to make it work. Embrace DOOM (that almost sounds like a Latverian propaganda poster!).

I also think you need to really build the world around him: make Latveria, Doomstadt, his castle, Doombots, etc. etc. all come vividly to life. He's a larger-than-life figure, so all his surroundings should reflect that persona. Otherwise, it's just not gonna work.

 

[TheVileOne]

Bane had grandiose speeches in The Dark Knight Rises.

 

[Snakewise]

I'm not even a fan of Dr. Doom and even I'm irritated Fox can't get him right.

 

[Quasimod0]

At least the 2005 Doom looked kinda like that comic Doom. I liked his costume well enough.
This Doom ,however, looks awful.