The Amazing Spider-Man I am the only one thats feeling this movie is getting worse with time?

[Oscorp]

What's the point of going on a forum to talk about something you hate?

They probably love Spider-Man but hate the film(s). It's still fair, but yes, pretty annoying when they want to rub it in your face.

 

[Oscorp]

Another thread about how TAS-M isn't doing so well...well, someone's bound to be cool and bring up TDKR now...





Yep

I have nothing against you Anno, you know that, but you yourself often talk about how TDKR is much better than ASM to you so I can't see how it'd be anymore wrong by them to state otherwise, as their opinion.

 

[Mob1423]

Another thread about how TAS-M isn't doing so well...well, someone's bound to be cool and bring up TDKR now...





Yep

I just wanted to say I absolutely love your sig. I definitely felt TDKR was the best of the trilogy. And I'm a BTAS fanboy, not a Nolan fanboy. I don't worship the ground he stands on, but I know when a fantastic movie is made

And I'm not saying TASM is bad compared to it, before anyone rages on me. It just could've been better

 

[Themanofbat]

The structure of the film is specifically built to be continued in the sequel. It's almost like a structure one would use for a TV series where each episode is an hour or so long.

The thing is... when you do this... structure your film to continue in a sequel, you have to make sure that the audience "gets" that... and unfortunately, in this film in particular, I don't believe that it worked out the way Webb/Sony may have intended...

You have that menacing guy working for OsCorp that the Lizard chases on the bridge that simply "disappears" from the movie after that scene...never mentioned again... Peter's parents? maybe... but to the GA, I don't think it was clear enough that it will continue... same with the origin... Peter gets bit by a spider and gets powers... to the GA, that might be "good enough"... the suggestion that Richard Parker may have genetically altered his son is so subtle, I don't think that most people caught that... except for uber-nerds like us...

There might be a few more things... and along with all the other moronic scenes from the movie (that I have gone over many, many times... so if someone wants to know what they are... look up my posts in this forums)... it's a combination of all these things that made the movie rather unpleasant for me... and that's ok... I am allowed to have this feeling that the movie was not good...

... and I don't see it getting any better.

I simply cannot wait for Marvel to get their flagship character away from Sony and back in their hands.

 

[Oscorp]

Ratha is indeed a plot hole that I don't think will be brought up again. At one hand, I think it was good that they cut out the scene between Ratha, Lizard and Peter because I didn't like the "Do you think what happened to you was an accident?" line at all. On the other hand, I think it's unfortunate because now noone knows what really happened to him.

 

[Jexx]

Another thread about how TAS-M isn't doing so well...well, someone's bound to be cool and bring up TDKR now...





Yep

Just want to point out that this should be expected.

 

[Jexx]

Ratha is indeed a plot hole that I don't think will be brought up again. At one hand, I think it was good that they cut out the scene between Ratha, Lizard and Peter because I didn't like the "Do you think what happened to you was an accident?" line at all. On the other hand, I think it's unfortunate because now noone knows what really happened to him.

Actually, I think Ratha will appear in the 2nd film.

 

[Oscorp]

Actually, I think Ratha will appear in the 2nd film.

I thought he was supposed to die in that cut scene, maybe they changed their minds about that and we'll see him in the sequel then.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I have nothing against you Anno, you know that, but you yourself often talk about how TDKR is much better than ASM to you so I can't see how it'd be anymore wrong by them to state otherwise, as their opinion.

"I am the only one thats feeling this movie is getting worse with time?"

Specifically for TAS-M. When one wants to talk about the other CBMs in the lounge, or which movie did better in the box office thread, go for it...those two posts...nope, weren't needed. What's even the point?

I just wanted to say I absolutely love your sig. I definitely felt TDKR was the best of the trilogy. And I'm a BTAS fanboy, not a Nolan fanboy. I don't worship the ground he stands on, but I know when a fantastic movie is made

Thanks

Just want to point out that this should be expected.

Pointing out something I pointed out? Yes, it would be expected

 

[Oscorp]

"I am the only one thats feeling this movie is getting worse with time?"

Specifically for TAS-M. When one wants to talk about the other CBMs in the lounge, or which movie did better in the box office thread, go for it...those two posts...nope, weren't needed. What's even the point?

I guess you have a point.

 

[Jexx]

I thought he was supposed to die in that cut scene, maybe they changed their minds about that and we'll see him in the sequel then.

I always thought the reason they cut it was because they didn't want to kill him off this movie in the end.

Because I don't think the scene in the sewers had anything to do with the genetic modification theory.

 

[LegendAssemble]

@LegendAssemble

When Spider-Man first popped up . he was a teen in high school who people could relate too. Unlike Robin or other kid hero at the time he had no mentor he had learn everything himself while at the same time being in high school. he wasn't side-kick...he was the hero.
It what made him Such a hit in the first place and it is a big part of his origin story.
to see that just brushed pass is a little disappointing. And is part of his appeal to say that it isn't is non-sense.

As for the second movie the Story they were trying to adapt "spider-man no more" fell short in my opinion because the story-line deals with aunt may being gravely ill (something that was going for awhile) and J.Jonah Jameson turning the city against him it becomes too much for him and so he quits . In this second movie he quits because he simply wants the girl which was a major disappointment to me because that is a landmark issue it would have been nice to see it had it been done the right way. As for Doc Ock the fact that he was made out to be a sympathetic character something he has never been was weird .why not get someone who is actually a sympathetic character like the Curt Connors or morbius. But instead they took someone and turned him into a something he is clearly not. MJ's character was not done much justice her character was not the MJ we've known from the comics . As for the 3rd movie i wont go there. all in all the original the first 2 films I enjoyed them they're good movies or Pop corn Flicks but when i look at it from the stand point of an adaptation then I feel they come up short. I'm not saying they're bad movies at all ....well I mean the first two.

The point of a comic adaptation isn't to follow the comics to the t. Doc Ocks character was probably one of the highlights of the film as his character was not only sympathetic but he mirrors Peter. He's what Peter could be if he stopped being Spider-Man, a successful scientist with a normal happy life. Not only that there is a theme that is present through out the film, following your dreams making the tough decision, each main character has to go through this.

Peter did not "quit for the girl" he lives in a one room run down apartment by the C train, he got fired from his job, he can't even make enough money to pay his advance, he can't pay his rent, it's his fault his friend is going nuts, he's failing out of school, it's his fault his Aunt is lonely and losing her home, and on top of all of this he can't get the girl. Finally he starts doubting himself and isn't able to perform as well usual and eventually starts losing his powers. He goes to a doctor and the doctor asks if he even wants to be Spider-Man climbing those walls. In the end after speaking to Aunt May, who is his voice of reason here. He makes the choice to give up hope to have a life like Doc Ock did before the accident and be Spider-Man because it's his responsibility.

Doc Ock has a similar arc. He's living his dream, he has his college sweetheart as his wife, he's a successful scientist and he's working on a big project that will make his career. In the process he's warned that he might have made a miscalculation but dismisses it and because of this he ends up with 4 arms welded to his body and his wife is dead, the only thing he has left to cling on to is his free unlimited energy experiment. He spends the whole movie trying to recreate it until he finally does. Peter subdues him and uses his words and what aunt may taught him to make him come to realize he needs to let it go. He dies because he made a bed and now he has to sleep in it.

Harry's dream is to make his father proud something he was never able to do in the first film until the end, right before he died. He goes mad trying to please a dead man, until he becomes a killer himself. He learns its Peter and becomes confused, but he refuses to give up his desires until he's completely lost it and he's talking to his dad in the mirror.

It strayed from the comics but thats okay, as long as they make it work, and this movie did the right thing by building on what they established in the first film.

Anyway Amazing is one of those movies that doesn't really have any clear message and just feels incomplete. Its not a bad movie but theres a lot of things absent that certainly would have improved the overal picture. One thing was Peter never caught Ben's killer. It's okay to leave him out there but there should have been some scene where they really put emphasis that he's going to let that vendetta go and just be a hero. Dr.Raffa is built up to be the true evil in the film and then he slams into the windshield of his car...with no mention for the rest of the film. You can't drop someone like that midway through the film, you have to at least give so pay off.

People are still on the "dropped plot points' thing?

Man, filmmakers should just stop doing anything unique structurally.

Thats not doing something "unique" it's just not something done when writing, because you need to leave the audience with some kind of satisfaction like they actually saw a story being told. You can have a set up film, that is a story within a bigger story, you don't have to do this to set up for the future.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

"I am the only one thats feeling this movie is getting worse with time?"

Specifically for TAS-M. When one wants to talk about the other CBMs in the lounge, or which movie did better in the box office thread, go for it...those two posts...nope, weren't needed. What's even the point?

Perhaps it was misguided of me to bring up TDKR. It got under my skin when I witnessed what I perceived as being an unfair re-painting of TAS-M in face of, IMO, the far more sloppy and flawed comic film I mentioned. My sentiments are better left at other threads.

 

[Oscorp]

Perhaps it was misguided of me to bring up TDKR. It got under my skin when I witnessed what I perceived as being an unfair re-painting of TAS-M in face of, IMO, the far more sloppy and flawed comic film I mentioned. My sentiments are better left at other threads.

Welcome to the lounge

 

[I Am The Knight]

I always thought the reason they cut it was because they didn't want to kill him off this movie in the end.

Because I don't think the scene in the sewers had anything to do with the genetic modification theory.

Really? What do you think happens in that scene, if I may ask?

 

[Picard Sisko]

Actually, I think Ratha will appear in the 2nd film.

Yes he probably will appear in the next movie.

 

[chaseter]

what major plot arcs where dropped half-way through the movie because Webb had stated that he is expanding this origin story into the next movie so I wouldn't say it has been dropped .

Parents and Ben's killer. Just completely dropped as soon as Curt becomes the Lizard. Those two are Peter's main motivations and the main arc for his character for the first half of the movie and for Peter becoming Spider-Man and they are just dropped off into nowhere in the second Act. They may have been edited out but even so, it's wildly sloppy film making and it hurts the movie. If he wanted a cohesive story told over two movies then they should have filmed them back to back and released part 2 in December or March 2013. I don't care if he planned to resolve it in a sequel...it doesn't make this movie better or less desperate because of that fact.

 

[Mob1423]

Uncle Ben's murderer was never dropped. Peter just hasn't caught him yet

 

[The Joker]

I've seen the movie three times, and I can't say it got worse each time. I enjoyed it immensely every time I went.

I still believe Spider-Man 2 is the best Spidey movie to date, but I think TASM is better than Spider-Man 1 and 3.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Peter stopped looking for Uncle Ben's killer because of the conversation he had with Captain Stacy. It will obviously be resolved in a future film (close up of wanted poster at the end of the movie). Peter's parents obviously would not be resolved in this movie, though I do feel like it should have been brought up at least. I wish they left the scene of Connors saying "If you want the truth about your parents, Peter... come and get it!"

 

[chaseter]

People are still on the "dropped plot points' thing?

Man, filmmakers should just stop doing anything unique structurally.

KAW won't answer so maybe you will...

Name me another movie that dropped 2 major plot arcs for the main character (the entire reason for the existence of the first act) so that the sequel can have more depth.

Seeing as it seems Webb's job is on the line...maybe he should have worried about his first movie more than his next 2.

 

[Mob1423]

I feel like Ben's murderer and the Death of Gwen Stacy might come into play if they go with the Ultimate Venom storyline. Both of those would fuel his rage to the top of the gauge and he would let them both have it with no holding back. That would scare Peter into removing the suit and it would eventually find it's way to Eddie Brock Jr.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Maybe Peter gets the symbiote before he encounters his Uncle Ben's killer and he has to choose to do the right thing, such as turning him into the police, or killing him.

 

[AF3619]

Name me another movie that dropped 2 major plot arcs for the main character (the entire reason for the existence of the first act) so that the sequel can have more depth.
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So because anyone has done that(maybe Tv series or Comics that have a lot of issues ,who knows?) is bad?, and is just the START OF a Series of movies.

 

[Picard Sisko]

TV shows and Comic Books often do this, but TASM is the first to do so. I don't think this is "bad," but I just wish TASM2 would be coming out sooner, or back-to-back.