The Official 'Thor Rate & Review' thread - Part 2

[Rock Sexton]

You know, the one thing i'm baffled about, and no disrespect to peoples opinions, is the criticism of Thor's change.

I mean, didn't you see the scene where Loki visits Thor at the SHIELD complex? That is the tipping point for Thor. As far as he knows, he is responsible for his Fathers death. His own Mother wants nothing to do with him anymore. If that doesn't make you buck your ideas up and look at yourself in the mirror... what will?

Also with Loki saying he can't ever return, it makes Thor accept that yea, he's stuck on Earth, you might as well deal with it.

I'm with you on this one. That scene you described, along with his failure to lift the hammer was more than enough to portray the turn. Stunned actually that anyone could complain.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Wow, I'm surprised how far this has fallen on RT, but you know what? It doesn't matter to me and i loved the film.

 

[hatebox]

That scene was very good, probably the best in the film.

I think my problem was that once it happened, Thor mellowed out a bit too much. I wish they had kept a glimmer of that arrogant fish out of water that we saw in the first third, but the story was probably too far along then for such trivialities.

 

[The Morningstar]

That scene was very good, probably the best in the film.

I think my problem was that once it happened, Thor mellowed out a bit too much. I wish they had kept a glimmer of that arrogant fish out of water that we saw in the first third, but the story was probably too far along then for such trivialities.

Yea, I can kinda agree. The next day he's cooking breakfast and all that.

But then, I didn't really want to see him being emo about it either.

 

[Vartha]

Yea, I can kinda agree. The next day he's cooking breakfast and all that.

But then, I didn't really want to see him being emo about it either.

lol

 

[jmc]

You know, the one thing i'm baffled about, and no disrespect to peoples opinions, is the criticism of Thor's change.

I mean, didn't you see the scene where Loki visits Thor at the SHIELD complex? That is the tipping point for Thor. As far as he knows, he is responsible for his Fathers death. His own Mother wants nothing to do with him anymore. If that doesn't make you buck your ideas up and look at yourself in the mirror... what will?

Also with Loki saying he can't ever return, it makes Thor accept that yea, he's stuck on Earth, you might as well deal with it.

The issue is it literally happens overnight, god or not, people don't change that quickly. The entire film more or less takes place over a day or two, and the amount of time spent with humanity is not enough in some peoples opinions to justify the sudden change in character. If he spent a lot more time amongst humans and actually learned more about what it is to be human it would have felt more natural, instead all it takes is a bit of interaction with Jane and friends for him to see the 'error of his ways' as it were and that's what makes it a weaker character journey, you kinda don't feel like he really learned anything deep or life changing.

 

[SuperSAINT]

I think Marvel was so afraid that the Asgard stuff would be seen as "cheesy" that they cut all potential cheese from those scenes. In the sequel I want as much Asgard as possible with Sif and the Warriors Three and a newly introduced Balder having major supporting roles behind Thor and Loki

Agree 100%. So much more drama & adventure to be had on Asgard, IMO. Plus it would keep it completely different from the other movies.

 

[The Morningstar]

The issue is it literally happens overnight, god or not, people don't change that quickly. The entire film more or less takes place over a day or two, and the amount of time spent with humanity is not enough in some peoples opinions to justify the sudden change in character. If he spent a lot more time amongst humans and actually learned more about what it is to be human it would have felt more natural, instead all it takes is a bit of interaction with Jane and friends for him to see the 'error of his ways' as it were and that's what makes it a weaker character journey, you kinda don't feel like he really learned anything deep or life changing.

His change didn't really have anything to do with Jane. Apart from growing to appreciate mortals more.

Like I said in the post you quote, as far as Thor knows, his arseholish behaviour has led to his Father dying and his Mother not wanting anything to do with him.

God or not, if that doesn't make you sit up and realize you've been doing something wrong, nothing will.

 

[jmc]

That's not really what the film was trying to convey though, being mortal was clearly meant to be a humbling experience and ultimately what leads to him changing, it's as classic a story telling as you can get, the arrogant person who's life is changed by an experience or person of great humility. This does it, but in a very abridged way.

 

[Vartha]

What kind of gets me is everyone seems to be saying Jane's the one who Changed Thor when Eric and Darcy both helped in their own ways.
Yes Jane was the one that nailed it home, but She had help.

 

[jmc]

It's not exactly an incorrect statement. She may have had help but as you say she's the one that hit the winning run, so technically you could say she's the one who ultimately changed him.

 

[Nathan]

I don't know, Jane just came across as a tight ass he wants to tap. The moment he heard from Loki his father died and that not even his mother would allow him back home, that was the game changer IMO. And helping him process all that stuff, was the talk with Eric he had and the friendly beer. There's that instant attraction to Jane, but I don't see how what she did made him a better person. She really didn't teach him any lessons. Other than less smashing.

Honestly, Loki had more to do with his turn to humility than anyone else.

 

[Chewy]

Yeah, seeing how unhinged Loki was getting over destroying the Frost Giants also likely made him reflect on his own prior actions and thoughts toward them.

 

[J.Howlett]

Morningstar,

You know, the one thing i'm baffled about, and no disrespect to peoples opinions, is the criticism of Thor's change.

I mean, didn't you see the scene where Loki visits Thor at the SHIELD complex? That is the tipping point for Thor. As far as he knows, he is responsible for his Fathers death. His own Mother wants nothing to do with him anymore. If that doesn't make you buck your ideas up and look at yourself in the mirror... what will?

Also with Loki saying he can't ever return, it makes Thor accept that yea, he's stuck on Earth, you might as well deal with it.

For some reason, on first viewing, that didn't connect and that's why I was critical of the film. But on second viewing, for some reason, it clicked and I think that had to do with Hemsworth's performance. Even with that, we needed a tad more of Thor's transition. If he had another day or two to contemplate Loki's words and how he deals with that around this town before the Warriors Three show up, then it would've been aces.

As it stands, the foundation is laid very well for his redemption. It's just that it's too rushed to get to the ending in the film and I think that has more to do with the editing than it does with not even being conceived in the script. I'm betting that it was but Marvel wanted a certain pace for the film.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Just got back, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Overall, I'd say it's my 2nd favorite Marvel flick so far, behind Iron Man. Hemsworth was perfect, and I LOVED Tom Hiddleston. Can't wait to see more of him.

Though I have to say, after staring at them for a couple hours, I STILL hate the set/costume designs. Well, I take that back - it's not the designs I hated, it was the materials. They just never looked real to me. Oh well, aside from that, a bit of cheesy dialogue, and Thor's super quick attitude turnaround, I loved it. But I agree that the movie could have benefited from being about 15 minutes longer.

8/10

Indeed. Hemsworth was great. He managed to sell both the serious and funny moments, like starring at the car and smashing that cup.

"Another!"

 

[Brian Braddock]

Yeah, Hemsworth hit just the right notes; be it dramatically, physically or comedically.

One thing I absolutely love is the sheer arrogance and swagger of Hemsworth when he's walking towards Mjolnir in the SHIELD compound, like he's just assumed that getting his god-hood back is a foregone conclusion.

It's great for setting up the bums rush upon realisation that its not going to be that easy.

 

[J.Howlett]

Morningstar,

It's really interesting when you think about the redemption angle. Yeah, Thor believes Loki about his father's death and that his Mother doesn't wish to see him again. It does humble him.

But, Sif does tell Thor that his father is, in fact, alive. It reveals Loki's true nature and his plans but it still doesn't change the fact that Thor was an arrogant prick in the first act and his father was in fact affected by his banishment...even if Thor doesn't know it.

Still, he does not think of himself once the Destroyer comes and that's really what does it.

Again, we needed more in the middle to buy his redemption because the beginning and end of his journey work just fine. It's just that middle section is pretty truncated.

 

[J.Howlett]

The movie has all the ingredients to work perfectly. It's just missing a few spices.

 

[irapogi]

Wow, I'm surprised how far this has fallen on RT, but you know what? It doesn't matter to me and i loved the film.

I think it's because a lot of americans are picky.
a lot of them appreciate Thor as well!

or conversely, the worldwide market is more positive

just a guess. my guess, at least.

 

[hatebox]

The movie has all the ingredients to work perfectly. It's just missing a few spices.

And it hasn't been cooked slowly and for long enough.

 

[J.Howlett]

Honestly, I think Marvel was afraid of that middle section of the film. What they didn't realize is that the cast is so good that they could've gotten away with a slower midsection of the film.

Watching Hemsworth's fish out of water moments are golden (again, I reiterate, "I NEED A HORSE!...f'ing classic). Watching the chemistry between Portman and Hemsworth is genuinely nice. Watching Portman place this loose of a character is a treat. Watching the three scientists interact with Thor is really good...because of this cast. They make this work when other things around them don't (the cheapness of the New Mexico setting...it still doesn't work).

They could've gotten away with it, easily.

 

[BigThor]

Honestly, I think Marvel was afraid of that middle section of the film. What they didn't realize is that the cast is so good that they could've gotten away with a slower midsection of the film.

Watching Hemsworth's fish out of water moments are golden (again, I reiterate, "I NEED A HORSE!...f'ing classic). Watching the chemistry between Portman and Hemsworth is genuinely nice. Watching Portman place this loose of a character is a treat. Watching the three scientists interact with Thor is really good...because of this cast. They make this work when other things around them don't (the cheapness of the New Mexico setting...it still doesn't work).

They could've gotten away with it, easily.

I agree

 

[jmc]

That 'I need a horse' gaga was the funniest one in the film.

 

[4NutzinYoface]

This film met AND exceeded my expectations....it was beyond cool, brilliant and awesome....it was just phenomenal.

The action the acting the special effects the plot the way the film moved and was edited, the music everything.



****To mods**** 'ahem'...I am aware that this thread should be under the review section HOWEVER my love for this film has made me go against the rules and regulations of this message board. I do NOT beleive these statements above should be lumped in with other reviews. Furthermore if someone who was involved in any way shape or form with this movie happens to stumble upon this here fine THOR message board? I want them to see this. That is all. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.


......my God THOR was ******* brilliantly awesomely epic.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yeah, Hemsworth hit just the right notes; be it dramatically, physically or comedically.

One thing I absolutely love is the sheer arrogance and swagger of Hemsworth when he's walking towards Mjolnir in the SHIELD compound, like he's just assumed that getting his god-hood back is a foregone conclusion.

It's great for setting up the bums rush upon realisation that its not going to be that easy.

I also loved his deep voice. When they announced his casting i was disappointed in that he was too supermodel-ish and cute and soft to be a viking god, but his voice and acting really helped me there. Besides, he is a god, he should be godly in appearence.

Hemsworth won me over. He was fantastic. Cant wait to see Thor-bro in the Avengers, probably having a bromance with Cap.

Still, he does not think of himself once the Destroyer comes and that's really what does it.

Oh hell... you just reminded me of a big "" concerning this film.

Remember the Mark V fight in IM2? Happy and Pepper just stay in the car shouting "Tony" instead of running away or trying to help. No. They sit in the car watching the fight, so that IM can have an audience of loved ones while he fights. I mean they could have been worried for him from a safer distance.

Its the same thing here with Portman during the Destroyer fight. She should have left, but no, she stays there when instead the Warriors 3 and Sif could have bought everyone time to escape. And then Thor offers himself as if the Destroyer wasnt after him anyway but Portman. It would have been more believable if the Destroyer hunted them all down, halting their escape and as he was about to kill Portman Thor offered himself instead.