The Official 'Thor Rate & Review' thread - Part 2

[J.Howlett]

jmc,

It's my favorite moment in the Marvel Studios' films by far. It slays me!

 

[Mr. Earle]

That 'I need a horse' gaga was the funniest one in the film.

My favourite was the taser scene.

"You dare threaten mighty Thor?"
*BZZZZZZZZZT*
"What, he was freaking me out!"

 

[J.Howlett]

Earle,

Well, the Destroyer was laying waste to everything. Sif asked the Warriors Three to buy herself some time(after the Warriors Three offered Thor time to get the townspeople out). She fails. Thor steps in and tells Sif to go...and that he has a plan. Sif and the Warriors Three do leave and take Eric, Jane, and Darcy...as the rest of the town is leaving.

It is Jane who doesn't leave when she sees what Thor's doing. By that time, Thor's already in front of the Destroyer, which is his ultimate task anyway.

It's believable.

The Mark V sequence (as well as the Monaco sequence is far worse). Honestly, where's the security at the race? If a dude with electrical whips starts taking out racers and terrorizing everything, why didn't the security personel just shoot Vanko in the head? He wasn't wearing a helmet after he revealed himself.

That's how dumb the Monaco sequence is...and that's before Happy runs down Vanko with the car...three times. Dude's whole midsection would've been crushed. He's not a super-being.

 

[The Morningstar]

Morningstar,

It's really interesting when you think about the redemption angle. Yeah, Thor believes Loki about his father's death and that his Mother doesn't wish to see him again. It does humble him.

But, Sif does tell Thor that his father is, in fact, alive. It reveals Loki's true nature and his plans but it still doesn't change the fact that Thor was an arrogant prick in the first act and his father was in fact affected by his banishment...even if Thor doesn't know it.

Still, he does not think of himself once the Destroyer comes and that's really what does it.

Again, we needed more in the middle to buy his redemption because the beginning and end of his journey work just fine. It's just that middle section is pretty truncated.

Yea I can see where you're coming from. Perhaps a few more scenes showing his reaction to Loki's words would have helped.

But like I said before, I didn't want him going all emo and broody on us. And I don't think the filmmakers wanted that either.

 

[Vartha]

Morningstar,

You know, the one thing i'm baffled about, and no disrespect to peoples opinions, is the criticism of Thor's change.

I mean, didn't you see the scene where Loki visits Thor at the SHIELD complex? That is the tipping point for Thor. As far as he knows, he is responsible for his Fathers death. His own Mother wants nothing to do with him anymore. If that doesn't make you buck your ideas up and look at yourself in the mirror... what will?

Also with Loki saying he can't ever return, it makes Thor accept that yea, he's stuck on Earth, you might as well deal with it.

For some reason, on first viewing, that didn't connect and that's why I was critical of the film. But on second viewing, for some reason, it clicked and I think that had to do with Hemsworth's performance. Even with that, we needed a tad more of Thor's transition. If he had another day or two to contemplate Loki's words and how he deals with that around this town before the Warriors Three show up, then it would've been aces.

As it stands, the foundation is laid very well for his redemption. It's just that it's too rushed to get to the ending in the film and I think that has more to do with the editing than it does with not even being conceived in the script. I'm betting that it was but Marvel wanted a certain pace for the film.

The problem with the part that his mother doesn't want him home is, They cut scenes that SHOW Frigga's relationship with Thor.
The ONLY thing we see before he's banished is Thor Winking at Frigga, when there more behind that wink than what's in the film. Also there's a scene where Frigga talks to Odin about the banishment that shows how much she cares.

The Way the cut in the theater is, you have no idea how much he cares for Frigga.

 

[The Morningstar]

Earle,

Well, the Destroyer was laying waste to everything. Sif asked the Warriors Three to buy herself some time(after the Warriors Three offered Thor time to get the townspeople out). She fails. Thor steps in and tells Sif to go...and that he has a plan. Sif and the Warriors Three do leave and take Eric, Jane, and Darcy...as the rest of the town is leaving.

It is Jane who doesn't leave when she sees what Thor's doing. By that time, Thor's already in front of the Destroyer, which is his ultimate task anyway.

It's believable.

Yea, Hemsworth did really well with that. When he says "Don't worry, I have a plan" he has a kinda, reassuring smile on his face. Then there is a subtle change in his facial expression, where you can see he knows he's gonna sacrifice himself and he won't see them again. A look of sadness.

 

[J.Howlett]

Vartha,

Yeah. I wish we had more of Odin and Frigga with the boys in Asgard before or after the coronation.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Earle,

Well, the Destroyer was laying waste to everything. Sif asked the Warriors Three to buy herself some time(after the Warriors Three offered Thor time to get the townspeople out). She fails. Thor steps in and tells Sif to go...and that he has a plan. Sif and the Warriors Three do leave and take Eric, Jane, and Darcy...as the rest of the town is leaving.

It is Jane who doesn't leave when she sees what Thor's doing. By that time, Thor's already in front of the Destroyer, which is his ultimate task anyway.

It's believable.

The Mark V sequence (as well as the Monaco sequence is far worse). Honestly, where's the security at the race? If a dude with electrical whips starts taking out racers and terrorizing everything, why didn't the security personel just shoot Vanko in the head? He wasn't wearing a helmet after he revealed himself.

That's how dumb the Monaco sequence is...and that's before Happy runs down Vanko with the car...three times. Dude's whole midsection would've been crushed. He's not a super-being.

I didnt mind the Monaco security thing. I mean i havent been to a GP before so i wouldnt know, but generally in Europe people dont carry guns so much, not even cops.

The running over thing with the car was dumb. I mean he had an exoskeleton but it didnt cover his midsection. Other that those issues the Monaco scene was great for me. It was very, very tense, the build up to it was great, and the whole fight was really good and smart. Plus, we got the suitcase!

 

[J.Howlett]

Morningstar,

Yeah. That's the part that confused me on first viewing. As I read on first viewing, I thought he knew that if he sacrificed himself, he would regain his powers.

On second viewing, I got what was really happening and it clicked for me. He knew his brother wanted him. He had no idea how he would regain his powers. But, he wanted to save his friends. With that combination, if he sacrificed himself, they would be safe and that's what he was going for. It works...especially since, again, he has no idea how to become what he once was. He's thinking as a selfless, mortal man in that moment....

Lady Sif and the Warriors Three can't kill the Destroyer. They're not Thor.

 

[J.Howlett]

Earle,

The Monaco sequence is a waste because it has the best damn moment in the film, which is the introduction of the Mark V. The CG work in moment is aces. But everything else around it, just dumb.

Even if the security guards had no guns, they outnumber him 1000 to one probably. Still, they would've had guns. We live in an age of terrorism across the world. Some security detail would've had weapons at the race....

 

[Vartha]

Vartha,

Yeah. I wish we had more of Odin and Frigga with the boys in Asgard before or after the coronation.

Well the way the scene goes is just after Odin explains to the young Thor and Loki about them being kings, it opens to a side room with Loki, Thor, Sif and the Warriors III, and Frigga. It eases that Coronation scene a bit better, and the transfer from them being kids to present time.

 

[The Morningstar]

Yea. And thinking about it, if he made that decision because he conciously knew Mjolnir would return to him... would it return to him?

If his motivation for that sacrifice wasn't 100% noble and selfless, I don't think he would have been "worthy" enough for Mjolnir. It had to me completely selfless.

 

[J.Howlett]

Vartha,

Yeah, I'm hoping that deleted scene is on the Blu Ray. By the way, anyone know where I can read the script?

 

[J.Howlett]

I also have one other nitpick about the film; Hemsworth's wig. Yeah, it's not good. Why didn't they just do extensions for him? Hemsworth's a nature dirty blonde. Why does Thor have to be an almost platinum blonde? Hemsworth's natural color would've been fine.

I mean, in the SHIELD complex and we have that close up of Hemsworth's face, that dye job on his beard is horrendous.

 

[The Morningstar]

haha yea the dye job on the beard did spring out at me a few times.

I'd have liked to have seen him without a beard. Not that i had a real problem with it though.

 

[roach]

Morningstar,

Yeah. That's the part that confused me on first viewing. As I read on first viewing, I thought he knew that if he sacrificed himself, he would regain his powers.

On second viewing, I got what was really happening and it clicked for me. He knew his brother wanted him. He had no idea how he would regain his powers. But, he wanted to save his friends. With that combination, if he sacrificed himself, they would be safe and that's what he was going for. It works...especially since, again, he has no idea how to become what he once was. He's thinking as a selfless, mortal man in that moment....

Lady Sif and the Warriors Three can't kill the Destroyer. They're not Thor.

I think he did know...when Odin spoke the "if he be worthy..." line it made a rune on the side of the hammer....as he was being dragged away he saw the rune and may have understood the conditions Odin put on the hammer

 

[The Morningstar]

But then if his sacrifice had an ulterior motive and wasn't simply him being selfless, would he be worthy enough?

 

[J.Howlett]

No because Odin said if anyone be worthy...not if Thor was worthy. Big, big difference.

 

[J.Howlett]

The line goes; "Whomever wields this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."

But in a way, Odin wanted Thor to possess it. He thinks he is worthy but just needs to be taught a lesson. Hence the reason the Hammer also landed on Earth. Still, Thor had to win it. Anyone worthy could have but Odin really wanted Thor to possess it.

 

[samsnee]

It was good, not great. I think I had more fun at Iron Man just because RDJ is such fun to watch. Hemsworth did a great job though, and even though the whole banishment thing did feel rushed (it happened over a weekend basically), I thought he conveyed his emotions well. From the opening cockiness (tossing the hammer while walking, winking at his mom) to his look of sacrifice when confronting the Destroyer, he definitely has a lot of charisma.

But besides the acting, which was well-done all around, everything else felt predictable and truncated. I think I could have watched a whole movie set in Asgard, or a whole movie on Earth, but trying to do both cheapened it. And while there was chemistry between Jane and Thor, I just couldn't believe that they would have fallen in love over just 1 day.

So, 7/10 for me.

 

[Vartha]

Though, in the Tales of Asgard Stories JH Thor had to go through Trial upon Trial to build not only PHYSICAL Strength but Strength of will.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I find it sad/funny how alot of people didn't seem to get the

Spoiler

JMS cameo. It was great, lol.

 

[Vartha]

Did you see Walt Spider?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Walt Simonson?! I must have missed it!

 

[Vartha]

^^ Walt Simonson?! I must have missed it!

ok remember when they all returned to Asgard?

Spoiler

Walt is to SIF's LEFT at the dining table they're all around. The scene opens with Volstagg boasting at the right of the screen, the Camera pans to the Left across the table and you see Sif and Walt on HER LEFT.