The Amazing Spider-Man I love Spider-Man but I hope this movie fails.

[prettynuclear]

Spider-Man 2 was 8 years ago. Raimi has lost his touch with the films by now if Spider-Man 3 didn't convince you. Everyone just has to accept that.

 

[The Morningstar]

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FozFGXzWtc[/YT]

This is the make up he had in mind for the Green Goblin but Dafoe didn't like it, opting for the mask. Being one of the bigger names in the film he had a lot of say.

Interesting. And surprising. I would have thought Dafoe would have relished the chance to do that.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Spider-Man 2 was 8 years ago. Raimi has lost his touch with the films by now if Spider-Man 3 didn't convince you. Everyone just has to accept that.

SM3 was 4 years ago. Seriously, what are you talking about? You know there's a new movie coming out...right?? And that Raimi is not making it?? You are aware of this??

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Interesting. And surprising. I would have thought Dafoe would have relished the chance to do that.

Yeah no kidding. Dafoe has a creepy look to him already. His scene with himself in the mirror going back and forth between Norman and the Goblin was awesome.

 

[The Morningstar]

Yea, that was perfect. The mask ruined the look for me. The suit, with prosthetics like the Orcs from LOTR would have been spot on.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

They basically took Dafoe's best attribute and hid it. I don't understand the logic there although I do understand that they were trying to make the GG suit look like armor...so I guess an armored mask is appropriate. Not a fan though.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Okay okay. Mr.Trump, I'm not in economics class I know how this stuff works! Yes you pay someone for services but you have to respect the person you are paying for said services expertise. I'm not saying producers should have no say.

This is what we get when production companies give a guiding hand:

This is what we get when the director has 100 percent control and no feedback what so ever:

Youre taking my word out of context and trying to spin me as a Raimi fan boy/romanticizor just to discredit my perfectly valid opinion. I know that directors having total control is not the way to go, but they should definitely have the most. If my teeth hurt and I go to the dentist I can tell him not to look in my nose, at the same time if he says I need a route canal I'm not going to tell him no a filling will do just fine.

Raimi shouldnt have been forced to squeeze Venom in at the last minute and he shouldnt have be told to squeeze in the Vultress either. I'm not going to have this argument though because thats not what I made this thread about.

The fact is the franchise wasnt dead and there was no reason to reboot it. It'd be one thing if Marc Webb was giving us something new but were getting another ****ing origin story. Pretend we're not talking about Spider-Man and pretend the 4th movie never existed or got canceled. In fact lets use the Batman Reboot planned as an example.

Now I'm not going to count the Adam West Batman film, because thats a completely different portrayal, but after the Batman reboot is released will we have had 3 ****ing Batman franchises. At what point are we going to get tired of seeing the same damn thing cycling every few years. Bruce Wayne is still Batman, Joker is still crazy, etc.. Chris Nolans series is very different than Burton and Schumachers but it's still very similar because its about the same people. Eventually there will come a point when these stories will lose value because we've already seen it done twice before.

Yes I know reverting to Marvel would result in ANOTHER reboot, BUT THAT WAS NOT WHY I SAID I WANTED THAT TO HAPPEN. Get off your high horse and realize that its cheap that instead of coming out with new ideas all that hollywood gives us is Spider-Man...again, and Batman...yet again, and Superman...third tries the charm! I know Ghost Rider sucked, but I respect Fox for not just taking the easy route and starting over like the first one never happened.

I notice you keep attempting to insult others in an attempt to discredit them. Why is that? Resorting to name calling does not a valid argument make.

Further, I’m not going to discuss the behind the scenes situations (ie: how quality isn't always determined by who is or is not involved) with you because at this point, you clearly can’t comprehend that you are not disagreeing by arguing with me – you’re practically screaming “I AGREE WITH YOU!!!” at this point without even realizing it. It’s clear your desire to argue is overshadowing your ability to understand what anyone is saying on that matter.

When did I EVER call you a “Raimi fan boy”? I don’t think I even uttered his name or even subtly suggested such a thing in my previous posts. Even if I did, I wouldn’t consider that an insult or attempt to discredit you because I enjoyed the Raimi films as well. I won’t argue that redoing the origin is stupid – I hated that idea when I first heard it. I still am less than thrilled about it – but seeing how they’re added so much extra material and story into the origin (ie: Oscorp and the mystery of his parents), I feel a little better, and am even intrigued by it.

As far as SM4 is concerned, you seem to be forgetting that Raimi and Tobey and Kirsten LEFT SM4. THEY QUIT. Because of that alone, Raimi’s films WERE DEAD. Would you REALLY want to see a continuation of Raimi’s films without the director or any of the lead actors returning? I know I wouldn’t; that’s just ASKING for a repeat of the 90’s Batman films. The ONLY logical thing to do would be to make an entirely new Spider-Man film; different director, different actors, different story, etc without risking the baggage of past movie franchises who swap out the leads.

You keep saying that Webb is not giving us anything new. And yet you ignore every facet of this movie that proves otherwise. The only thing that is being rehashed is the origin, but as I mentioned above, its proven that the origin is going to be wildly different, so it will be quite fresh and (hopefully) interesting. Everything else about the movie is something we have yet to see in Raimi’s trilogy (which I'm not damning them for lacking). The true romance of Peter and Gwen, a mystery concerning Peter’s parents, a more comic book accurate representation of Spider-Man. A less dorky and modern take on Peter. Curt Conners as The Lizard. A “young” Aunt May. Webshooters. The list goes on. If you still want to argue against the reboot, you really will need a new war cry, because Webb is most definitely giving us something new.

I’m still not getting your reasoning about hoping this movie will fail. Or perhaps it’s you who is not understanding your own desires, because your entire argument seems to be pretty hypocritical. I’m going to try and hit the bullet points of your argument, perhaps you can point to where I’m wrong, so that I can better understand you?

You say:

You’re tired of reboots.
Rebooting is lazy; they should just continue with what they have.
Despite Raimi, Tobey and Kirsten quitting, Raimi’s Spidey films should have continued.
The above, plus the critical failure of SM3 was not a good reason to reboot Spidey.
You hope ASM fails, because that is good enough reason for Marvel to reboot Spidey.

Is that pretty accurate?

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FozFGXzWtc[/YT]

This is the make up he had in mind for the Green Goblin but Dafoe didn't like it, opting for the mask. Being one of the bigger names in the film he had a lot of say.

Do you have a source where Dafoe said that? That’s the first time I (or anyone here, it seems) have heard this. Regardless, it’s a shame it wasn't used; I would have liked to have seen how much further they could have pushed that; though I did like the helmet, just not the rest of GG’s outfit.

 

[elsewhere]

WTF??!! Drag Me to Hell was awesome. Are you kidding? It was great Raimi horror-camp. He belongs in that genre.

Disagree. Drag Me To Hell was a weak attempt at what Raimi used to do best. Even Army of Darkness (which I personally hate) was better.

 

[chaseter]

Spider-Man 2 was 8 years ago. Raimi has lost his touch with the films by now if Spider-Man 3 didn't convince you. Everyone just has to accept that.

I have accepted you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[chaseter]

Yea, that was perfect. The mask ruined the look for me. The suit, with prosthetics like the Orcs from LOTR would have been spot on.

Even if Dafoe had a prosthetic mask, it still would have hid his expressions. They tried to fix that with the mesh mouth and eye openings but it just didn't work to full effect. I do agree that I would rather have seen something much more creepy but it worked in the context of the movie for what it was.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Spider-Man 2 was the best of Raimi's trilogy.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Okay youre saying a major social network isnt a good way to poll the general public opinion? If anything that shows how much of the general public knows about it and how people want to see it.

And as much as a "major social network" is a great way to gather the general public and what not, there are still people that just don't care about that crap. I have facebook and I didn't "like" the film's page because I don't care about that. I'm going to still be watching the film, but that whole new idea of "liking" every single thing that interests you and et cetera is bogus. People will be watching the film more than the number of "likes" the page gets. And if that's how you're getting your info, well, you should try something else.

You also say that the web-shooters and when will have you flocking to the theater? Good for you, I hope you love the movie, that being said I'm not wrong because I never said it will prevent YOU from going. In fact I said details like that will fly over the average movie goers head, so thats not a major selling point unless you are familiar with the character beyond TV shows and the Raimi films.

Then let's take my brother for example...he's not very much into the whole comic book idea and what not and doesn't care for stuff such as that, but he's looking forward to The Amazing Spider-Man, so I think he could be counted as part of the general audience that is looking forward to the film. Even with the general audience, Spider-Man 3 was garbage to some and so this refreshing take is necessary for them as well. It wasn't just countless "geeks" that went to go see Batman Begins, it was people wanting to see a great movie in general. You're stereotyping in thinking only a type of group is excited for this movie.

Finally I was not referencing the leaked images of Venom as anything more than marketing. It's not important, no, but you do have to think by this point in Spider-Man 3s campaign we had 3 trailers, scenes from the film, and lots of promotional images. We havent even seen much footage of Peter in the suit or more than one trailer.

We've seen plenty enough and as much as we've seen of The Avengers. Yet, you're not complaining about that film, only Spidey.

My point, unless you deeply follow the character you dont know much about this film and after Spider-Man 3s subpar reception its not like the whole public is buzzing about the new Spider-Man movie.

You THINK. You do not KNOW.

The whole Raimi/Webb argument in my opinion is like the Team Conan, Team Leno argument about the tonight show. A lot of people sided with Conan because he did a good job for years on Late Night. His fans felt like maybe Lenos show the studio put on before his might have explained why his Tonight show wasnt performing and thought he should have been given more time. However, lots of people agreed that forcing him out was the right thing to do, like Oprah, and they have completely valid points too.

Lol....I don't get the comparison, but it sure made me laugh. Oh, and Craig Ferguson > all of them.

I think Spider-Man 4 being Canceled was unfair and I think studios reboot more than necessary. Yes I liked the Raimi trilogy too, but that doesnt mean I'm "not a true fan" or a "Raimi fanboy". The fact is most of you only hate his movies or say they were "bad" because its the trend now I guess. I remember before Spider-Man 3 came out just about everyone talked about how great its going to be because of how good 1 and 2 were. Even after no one seemed to start hating on the first two movies until news about the reboot got out.

So it's wrong for people to hate the movie AFTER they saw it? Shame on us for that then....

I feel like most of you people saw this review [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCVJksDAwf4[/YT]
[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHDEEoXgo5U&feature=related[/YT]
And listened to all of his criticism he was giving (because he was saying things he wanted to see in the reboot) but missed the part at the end where he said it was a good movie. Also how many of you have actually seen 500 Days of Summer? It really wasnt as great or intelligent of a movie as most of you are acting like it was. It had its moments and there were lots of complaints I had about it since I saw it with my girlfriend back in 09.

Lol...or people were smart enough to have their own opinions on how bad the movie was without having to listen to a review. You're tugging on straws, man.

And, also...(500) Days of Summer was a pretty great movie. I have it, but if you don't believe me, should I take a picture of myself holding it? Haha.

This thread is full of dumb.

This comment is full of win.

WTF??!! Drag Me to Hell was awesome. Are you kidding? It was great Raimi horror-camp. He belongs in that genre.

Ehhh, I didn't like Drag Me to Hell as much as everyone else did.

Spider-Man 2 was the best of Raimi's trilogy.

This

 

[Godzilla2014]

Spider-Man 2 was the best of Raimi's trilogy.

Agreed. It actually has a plot, unlike Spider-Man, and not full of contrived drama, like Spider-Man 3. Raimi really hit his stride with that film.

 

[WarriorDreamer]

Sam Raimi had a vision. He had a vision of who he thought Spider-Man/ Peter Parker and the cast of characters are. There were 3 films based around that vision.

There have been other visions in the past, such as the cartoon series.

Marc Webb has a vision and it was chosen to be shown in The Amazing Spider-Man.

There is no such thing as 'better or worse.'

 

[AnneFan]

^ I agree with that, Warrior Dreamer.

I've been reading the footage descriptions, yes - just reading, and I'll say if you're a genuine Spider-Man fan you will no doubt love the movie, let alone want it to succeed. It sounds great. Seeing the trailer will seal the deal.

 

[The Lizard]

Spider-Man (2002) was the word of mouth hit that started the big superhero movie boom of the mid 2000s.

Forgive me if someone else in this thread had already said this, but technically it was the success of Blade in 1998 that kick-started Hollywood's interest in other Marvel superhero properties. Spider-Man's blockbuster performance served to shift the superhero movie business into higher gear, of course.

 

[The Morningstar]

No one considered Blade a comic book movie though. I don't think you can say the cbm boom was started by Blade, i'd say it was X-Men and Spider-Man.

 

[The Lizard]

No one considered Blade a comic book movie though. I don't think you can say the cbm boom was started by Blade, i'd say it was X-Men and Spider-Man.

Even though Blade was not perceived as a comic book movie by a good portion of the general public, it was still a Marvel owned property that performed well and opened the door for Hollywood to allow more to follow. Thus the moderate success of Blade created the opportunity for the bigger success of X-Men in 2000, which of course led into the ginormous success of Spider-Man.

 

[Anno_Domini]

It was X-Men more than Spider-Man; I hate when people give that credit to Spider-Man.

 

[webhead731]

At this point I don't care if the reboot fails. With an ugly costume design and a rushed and forced production (out of Raimi simply quitting), they don't deserve a success. They treated Raimi like crap and getting a ton of money from this would not be fair. I don't want to see this Spider-Man plastered all over walls and toys for the next decade. They need to change the look, because, I am sorry, the costume is a big deal. If it looks stupid it really hurts the movie no matter how you sugarcoat it. I see that and I just shake my head on how dumb it looks. Just like I do with the Batman nipple suit.

Aside from a pretty good cast, the rest of this is just unexciting. I also just can't stand they want to do it in 3D. Seems like everyone is doing that for the money only nowadays, and it comes off as cheesy. I sure hope they have Spider-Man shooting webs at the screen for no reason.
Like, it's not even the fact they're rebooting it. I didn't want a Hulk reboot really, but I warmed up to that because it was looking great and I ended up liking it. This? No. Sorry.
Yeah, all the supporters are going to bag on this post, but oh well.

 

[mayo23]

Yeah, all the supporters are going to bag on this post, but oh well.

And with good reason. You just posted this at probably the worst possible time. Unless you were being sarcastic. If not though, then well. I'm just gonna ignore you.

 

[webhead731]

Great.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Aside from a pretty good cast, the rest of this is just unexciting.

 

[webhead731]

I'm sorry.
The movie looks incredible!

Is that what you wanted to hear?!

lol Sorry I am stating my honest opinion. I'm not going to lie.

Who knows? Maybe the trailer will look good.

 

[Mike]

At this point I don't care if the reboot fails. With an ugly costume design and a rushed and forced production (out of Raimi simply quitting), they don't deserve a success. They treated Raimi like crap and getting a ton of money from this would not be fair. I don't want to see this Spider-Man plastered all over walls and toys for the next decade. They need to change the look, because, I am sorry, the costume is a big deal. If it looks stupid it really hurts the movie no matter how you sugarcoat it. I see that and I just shake my head on how dumb it looks. Just like I do with the Batman nipple suit.

Aside from a pretty good cast, the rest of this is just unexciting. I also just can't stand they want to do it in 3D. Seems like everyone is doing that for the money only nowadays, and it comes off as cheesy. I sure hope they have Spider-Man shooting webs at the screen for no reason.
Like, it's not even the fact they're rebooting it. I didn't want a Hulk reboot really, but I warmed up to that because it was looking great and I ended up liking it. This? No. Sorry.
Yeah, all the supporters are going to bag on this post, but oh well.

ummmmm what happens if this movie is better? Lol dude quit ur crying. Ur gonna be there opening week. This is like casino royale and batman begins all over again.