The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[Mutagen]

Well I wasn't trying to be over dramatic about something, I won't say he was the best Joker ever or that he was the best thing ever created, but I won't deny that dying for a role is is not important.

No need to be a drama queen about it, I get mad at those "Heath is the coolest ever, because he's the first person to ever die!!" purists too.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Well I wasn't trying to be over dramatic about something, I won't say he was the best Joker ever or that he was the best thing ever created, but I won't deny that dying for a role is is not important.

No need to be a drama queen about it, I get mad at those "Heath is the coolest ever, because he's the first person to ever die!!" purists too.

Not seeing how he died for the role.

 

[Mutagen]

I stand corrected, he didn't die for the role, but because of it. Apologies, I thought it was obvious what I meant.

 

[sabetoonth]

well it was to some, man, if only he could have gone up there himself, anyone else hear what cuba gooding jr said about rdj? "you takin all the jobs from the brothers"

 

[CaptainClown]

but we have no way of knowing if he died because of the role.....so ya.....his death and his role are really not related. It is not like when he took on the role of the joker he knew the risk of death was possible because of it. His death was an accident to our knowledge and not exactly caused by Joker.


Then again I find it more offensive to believe that Heath Ledger gave his life to the role of The Joker for the fans...I would rather have him alive and not play the Joker if that was the case.

 

[Mutagen]

I thought the sleeping pills were among the poisons in his system. Sleeping pills he took because of playing the Joker throughout the nights

 

[CaptainClown]

Heath has apparently always had sleeping problems and this was an issue before The Joker. Combined with other drama in his life made him spend late nights up. It is possible that Joker affected him, but it is not probable as there are other variables in his life which probably had greater cause for him to take too many sleeping pills.

 

[Crook]

Christ. It's just stupid to even imply Joker had any effect on his death. Heath was DONE with the movie for months. He left that role long before he got physically sick, which made him take all those variety of pills.

 

[Mutagen]

Prescription drugs he got addicted to, as a result from playing a particular role. Drugs used to help with sleeping, sleeping from spending countless hours unslept of playing said character.

 

[CaptainClown]

dude....what have you been reading....He wasn't addicted to anything, he just popped too many. He didn't get addicted while playing Joker.

 

[Mutagen]

Apologies, addicted is not the same as needing, you're right.

 

[sabetoonth]

heah, can we get back on topic, anyone other than me have ideas for grundy?

 

[Ledlunar]

Prescription drugs he got addicted to, as a result from playing a particular role. Drugs used to help with sleeping, sleeping from spending countless hours unslept of playing said character.

K I hate arguing about this cause... well its stupid and this isnt the place , but I remember seeing something about his death in one of those trash magazines where his ex fiancee said since she met him on the set of Brokeback mountain his mind was always turning turing turning and he was very restless and struggeled with sleeping patterns....

that being said Im sure she knows better than anyone...... It wasn't The Joker role it was a mistake

Case Closed

 

[sabetoonth]

yes please, lets leave it at that

 

[Cunning Stunts]

dude....what have you been reading....He wasn't addicted to anything, he just popped too many. He didn't get addicted while playing Joker.

Actually, I've heard talk about this, and he apparently WAS addicted to ambien, for quite a while too.

However, the talk about "The Joker killed Heath" is just effin' ******ed. He'd had the addiction LONG beforehand.

 

[Duskbyday]

Clayface into a mask changing murderer or whatever, who used to be an actor but lost his actor life for his reputation as a typecast character from the movie series: The Calyface!

Brian Azarello's Killer Croc would fit in well if toned down a tad.

Tweedledum and Tweedledee could be joker fans and wannabes.

Vicki Vale, Jason Bard and Bullok should be introduced.

 

[Shemtov]

Killer Croc could be a bodybuilder who gets surgery like this guy:
http://www.kaweah.com/images/lizard_man.jpg
http://www.ripleys.com/assets/img/upload/bions/lizardman_1.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lizardman

 

[Artistsean]

Does the Batman Anime count, the one that was meant to fit between Begins and the Dark Knight?
If so I think they already did their version of Killer Croc, and if I'm not mistaken he was a deformed guy who lived in the sewers and was like a supposed myth.

Does the Anime count as part of Nolan's Batman?


Also I had an idea for Harley,
even though I don't think they will ever use her and probably shouldn't,
here it is:
Dr. Harley Quinnzel is a criminal profiler. Her job is to profile and monitor the worst criminals in order for the police to anticipate their actions. (thats what criminal profilers do right?)
Perhaps she is called in when the Joker escapes, She spends night and day studieng his case, his murders, his profile, his life, practically living with him. She spends so much time on his case that she becomes a little too attached, speaking of him with admeriation and deep respect. She begins to slip even further, until she decides to go out into the streets of Gothem to finish what Mr. J started.

Anyway, thats just an idea. I got it from watching the last episode of Psych.

 

[Mutagen]

Does the Anime count as part of Nolan's Batman?

It counts until the next Nolan film when, usually, they just ignore it to use the already used characters.

 

[Ledlunar]

I think if you like them enough..... sure imagine it happened, its up too you.... personally I don't, but it was enjoyable to watch...

BUT I don't think If nolan wanted Killer Croc he'd be going damn, they did him in 1.5! you know what I mean

 

[Texas Zombie]

I have to hook my phone(lost) up to my computer to get these pictures up(there masks, good masks for black mask), but you guys will like em'.

 

[KalMart]

Catwoman is a man.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I read these very interesting ideas on Ra's Al Ghul's "translation" of the comics' immortality to these movies:

Ra's Al Ghul. Ducard, whom we discover is actually Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins, is killed in the train crash at the end of the film. Ra's Al Ghul is an immortal in the comic books. While Nolan's series seems to shun the supernatural, there's no reason that a new villain, believing himself to be the reincarnation of Ra's Al Ghul, couldn't arrive on the scene. Another possibility is that "Ra's Al Ghul" could merely be a title bestowed upon the leader of the League of Shadows, rather than the character's actual name.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Also, another interesting group of hints in the same article:

Catwoman. In The Dark Knight, Lucius Fox and Batman discuss the new Bat-suit. Batman makes a comment about the strength of the suit, asking if it would be able to protect him from large dogs. Lucius says it should protect him from "cats"-- a possible reference to Catwoman. Note that in Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne, pretending to be drunk, refers to all his guests as "two-faced phonies." At the end of the film, Batman is given the Joker card. That means that both the main villains used in the sequel were referenced in the first film. (See the Penguin entry above about David Goyer's reluctance to use Catwoman in this series.)

The Black Mask. David Goyer has expressed a desire to use a villain that has not received previous film treatment (source: Digital Spy). The news has put Roman Sionis/The Black Mask on the list of possibilities. Fans have noticed that the prisoner on the boat played by Tommy Lister has a tattoo on his neck with the design and pattern of the Black Mask.

 

[KalMart]

I read these very interesting ideas on Ra's Al Ghul's "translation" of the comics' immortality to these movies:

Ra's Al Ghul. Ducard, whom we discover is actually Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins, is killed in the train crash at the end of the film. Ra's Al Ghul is an immortal in the comic books. While Nolan's series seems to shun the supernatural, there's no reason that a new villain, believing himself to be the reincarnation of Ra's Al Ghul, couldn't arrive on the scene. Another possibility is that "Ra's Al Ghul" could merely be a title bestowed upon the leader of the League of Shadows, rather than the character's actual name.

One thing I wondered at the end of BB was if Batman had somehow taken down ALL of whatever remained of the League Of Shadows to the extent that they couldn't regroup. I guess with the leader dying it'd be difficult, but what happened to the guys that survived? They'd probably have some serious skills to offer if they were looking for work as goons or security, etc.

And they'd supposedly been around, as an organization, for ages, too. You'd think that even with a defeat like this, they'd be able to keep going and try to finish the job again, right? Not that I'd want to see them used again, though.